Jerry is large and in charge

[G2]

Wanting Manziel and intending on drafting him are not the same. I’m not denying Jerry wanted Manziel.

Seems like you're purposely dismissing some facts here.

 

[Stash]

Business as usual for him. I have to assume he’s just a miserable human being. That must suck balls.

He's actually not. He has a great sense of humor and does a lot for the board by sharing news as soon as he gets it. He's a valued contributor. And check out his work in the draft zone, a lot of good stuff there as well. I just think he's reaching for something to complain about here and I disagree with him.

 

[Sydla]

Romo has just signed a new contract in 2013. It would make no sense to draft his heir apparent in 2014. It was all hoopla for the media and Jerry not wanting to potentially look the fool for passing on Manziel.

I’m not able to copy the DMN and don’t have ability to look for the local affiliates who aired the interview. I’m not sure who aired it.

You can sit here and spin away all you want, but there are now multiple articles linked in this thread, including one from CBS 9 months after the draft happened WITH QUOTES from Jerry and Stephen that lay out exactly what happened that draft night.

You only look more foolish trying to argue against facts at this point.

 

[Diehardblues]

Now you are playing semantics. When the 16th pick came, Jerry wanted to use it for Manziel and went around the war room trying to drum up support so he could take Manziel. Few, if any backed him, so he reluctantly went with Martin.

Stephen and Jerry have basically both confirmed this. So no, this wasn't fake news. Jerry wanted to draft Manziel at 16, couldn't get the support he needed/wanted so he could take him, so he went with the room's decision. It's all well documented and confirmed at this point.

Believe what you will but that’s not what some of the local beat reported. It was mostly hyped for the media as I stated. And Jerry’s interview confirmed.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Now you are playing semantics. When the 16th pick came, Jerry wanted to use it for Manziel and went around the war room trying to drum up support so he could take Manziel. Few, if any backed him, so he reluctantly went with Martin.

Stephen and Jerry have basically both confirmed this. So no, this wasn't fake news. Jerry wanted to draft Manziel at 16, couldn't get the support he needed/wanted so he could take him, so he went with the room's decision. It's all well documented and confirmed at this point.

What’s your point? Jerry listened to the input of others and went with them. He could’ve just ignored them and picked Manziel, but he didn’t. That simply proves he doesn’t just do what he wants to do.

 

[Sydla]

Seems like you're purposely dismissing some facts here.

I mean shoot, it's only quotes from the two guys involved in the situation - Jerry and Stephen. What kind of evidence is that?

 

[Sydla]

Believe what you will but that’s not what some of the local beat reported. It was mostly hyped for the media as I stated. And Jerry’s interview confirmed.

I am believing ACTUAL FACTS.

Explain this to me. Why, years after the draft went down, do Jerry and Stephen still confirm this story? I mean Jerry doens't have to worry about the fact Manziel turned out to be a stud. If anything, since Manziel crapped out and Martin is arguably the best OG in football, Jerry wouldn't want people to know he backed a loser.

And yet Jerry pretty much continues to admit he wanted Manziel.

Your logic here makes zero sense. It's almost pathological that you can't admit you were wrong and just move on. You are literally arguing against actual factual evidence at this point.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Love these glimpses into the organizational dysfunction. I think we pretty much avoid any situation that requires a quick decision b/c there isn't enough to time explain it jerry to AND build consensus.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Anybody that actually thought Jerry still wasn't the majority decision maker in that room is delusional. Not saying he won't listen to other ppl at this point, but he can still over rule. We probably won't win a SB til he's dead. It's his karma that's all screwed up.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I am believing ACTUAL FACTS.

Explain this to me. Why, years after the draft went down, do Jerry and Stephen still confirm this story? I mean Jerry doens't have to worry about the fact Manziel turned out to be a stud. If anything, since Manziel crapped out and Martin is arguably the best OG in football, Jerry wouldn't want people to know he backed a loser.

And yet Jerry pretty much continues to admit he wanted Manziel.

Your logic here makes zero sense. It's almost pathological that you can't admit you were wrong and just move on. You are literally arguing against actual factual evidence at this point.

My thing is who cares. Would we have won less super bowls if we took Johnny Manziel?

 

[Sydla]

What’s your point? Jerry listened to the input of others and went with them. He could’ve just ignored them and picked Manuel, but he didn’t. That simply proves he doesn’t just do what he wants to do.

You are missing the point.

DieHard called the Manziel/Martin story fake news. I am telling him it's not fake news and provided him with the information from many confirmed stories. That's it. It's really that simple. There is no need for you to read into it in the bizarre way you seemingly have.

 

[Diehardblues]

I mean shoot, it's only quotes from the two guys involved in the situation - Jerry and Stephen. What kind of evidence is that?

I believe in Jerry’s interview and what some of the local beat writers were saying. I’ve always felt they were closer to the situation than these national affiliates.

Again, I’m not denying these statements Jerry and Stephen made . And not denying that Jerry was interested in Manziel but as was reported by some closer to the situation it was more hype than reality which I believe.

 

[Sydla]

My thing is who cares. Would we have won less super bowls if we took Johnny Manziel?

Just correcting someone who is spreading a false story. That's it.

 

[Diehardblues]

You are missing the point.

DieHard called the Manziel/Martin story fake news. I am telling him it's not fake news and provided him with the information from many confirmed stories. That's it. It's really that simple. There is no need for you to read into it in the bizarre way you seemingly have.

Fake news to me is spinning facts to support an opinion or narrative. As I stated above. I’m not denying the report you attached.

 

[Jake]

Jerry is still the GM, for better or worse. He listened to the others and made a decision. Sometimes your employees are able to convince you to change your mind, other times you go with your decision.

I guess the video may be surprising to folks who convinced themselves that Jerry had delegated all football decisions to his son, but I never bought that theory in the first place. Nothing to see here.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Just correcting someone who is spreading a false story. That's it.

I hear you but we are arguing about something that doesn't matter. I mean what if taking Johnny manziel created a ripple effect that would have had the rebuilding process earlier. We don't know. Yes as an individual player standpoint it worked out, but we didn't go to superbowls with martin either.

 

[Sydla]

I believe in Jerry’s interview and what some of the local beat writers were saying. I’ve always felt they were closer to the situation than these national affiliates.

Again, I’m not denying these statements Jerry and Stephen made . And not denying that Jerry was interested in Manziel but as was reported by some closer to the situation it was more hype than reality which I believe.

There is literally multiple stories months and months and years after the draft went down and every one confirms the story as I described it. Jerry wanted to send in the card and take Manziel, he couldn't get support for the pick in the room so he reluctantly went with what the room wanted - Martin.

Let me ask you this. What incentive do Jerry and Stephen have at this point to continually confirm that story? Manziel bombed out so they don't have to protect themselves in case Manziel succeeded. He didn't. So there's no reason even today to continue to say that Jerry wanted Manziel but couldnt' get the support for the pick.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Jerry is still the GM, for better or worse. He listened to the others and made a decision. Sometimes your employees are able to convince you to change your mind, other times you go with your decision.

I guess the video may be surprising to folks who convinced themselves that Jerry had delegated all football decisions to his son, but I never bought that theory in the first place. Nothing to see here.

They thought Stephen and McClay made the picks while jerry was passed out drunk in the corner.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I believe in Jerry’s interview and what some of the local beat writers were saying. I’ve always felt they were closer to the situation than these national affiliates.

Again, I’m not denying these statements Jerry and Stephen made . And not denying that Jerry was interested in Manziel but as was reported by some closer to the situation it was more hype than reality which I believe.

Is the Dallas Morning News a national affiliate not close enough to the situation?

Jerry flat out stated he wanted Manziel.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Love these glimpses into the organizational dysfunction. I think we pretty much avoid any situation that requires a quick decision b/c there isn't enough to time explain it jerry to AND build consensus.

Yes, so dysfunctional that we have been one of the nest drafting teams.