Post-draft team analysis: CB

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Starters: Byron Jones, Chidobe Awusie
Contenders: Anthony Brown, Jourdan Lewis, Michael Jackson, C.J. Goodwin. Treston DeCoud, Donovan Olumba, Chris Westry

I believe Kris Richard is getting a bad rap for not playing Jourdan Lewis more last year (with the decision essentially being blamed on Richard's preference for longer corners). If you look back to last preseason, Lewis was not playing very well. Perhaps he was just having trouble adjusting to the technique that Richard teaches, but it was easy to see then why Lewis didn't deserve a bigger role. However, Lewis stepped up during the season and showed that he deserves a chance for more opportunities. He plays sticky coverage and is aggressive both in attacking the ball carrier and the receiver.. Frankly, I'm not sure he isn't our second-best corner.

Although Anthony Brown ended up getting the nickel corner job over Lewis, he really wasn't that good in the preseason, either. Brown reminds me a lot of past corners we've had like Alan Ball and Jacques Reeves who were good in reserve roles because they could stick with receivers but get beat by quarterbacks with good ball placement. Chidobe Awusie seems to fall into that category as well. They are there, they have good coverage, but they don't bat the ball away enough. Brown and Awusie both do it some (and Brown as a rookie was a better starter than either Ball or Reeves), but they need to make their tight coverage pay off more often.

The player who took to Richard's technique the best and benefited the most from it was Byron Jones. For most of the season, Jones was in his receiver's hip pocket and used his length to break up passes. He was about as close to a shut-down corner as we've had in a long time. The only knock against him is he doesn't make interceptions. He also slipped some later in the year, but I think it was due to playing through injury.

Richard's preference for players with length can be seen in Donovan Olumba (6-2) being kept on the practice squad last year, Michael Jackson (6-1) being drafted and Chris Westry (6-4) being a priority UDFA. Treston Decoud is also 6-2 while C.J. Goodwin is 6-3. This is a good group of his type of players, and if a couple of them step up, they could make Lewis and/or Brown expendable, depending on which one of them takes the nickel role.

ROSTER PREDICTION: Since I kept five safeties, I'm also keeping five cornerbacks to give us 10 total defensive backs. Unlike last year, though, I think the fifth spot will be fully deserved by whoever wins it. I like our top four (Jones, Awusie, Lewis, Brown) and don't think they should be messed with this year outside of vying for playing time. That leaves one spot, which I think will go to Jackson in a tight race because the technique and style of play Richard uses keeps players like him from having to chase quick-cutting receivers all over the field. However, I'm not entirely out on the two "veterans" (Decoud and Goodwin). Olumba and Westry go on the practice squad. Again, it won't surprise me if one of the last four gets kept and we trade Lewis or Brown if someone just shows too much to be cut.
 

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Starters: Byron Jones, Chidobe Awusie
Contenders: Anthony Brown, Jourdan Lewis, Michael Jackson, C.J. Goodwin. Treston DeCoud, Donovan Olumba, Chris Westry

I believe Kris Richard is getting a bad rap for not playing Jourdan Lewis more last year (with the decision essentially being blamed on Richard's preference for longer corners). If you look back to last preseason, Lewis was not playing very well. Perhaps he was just having trouble adjusting to the technique that Richard teaches, but it was easy to see then why Lewis didn't deserve a bigger role. However, Lewis stepped up during the season and showed that he deserves a chance for more opportunities. He plays sticky coverage and is aggressive both in attacking the ball carrier and the receiver.. Frankly, I'm not sure he isn't our second-best corner.

Although Anthony Brown ended up getting the nickel corner job over Lewis, he really wasn't that good in the preseason, either. Brown reminds me a lot of past corners we've had like Alan Ball and Jacques Reeves who were good in reserve roles because they could stick with receivers but get beat by quarterbacks with good ball placement. Chidobe Awusie seems to fall into that category as well. They are there, they have good coverage, but they don't bat the ball away enough. Brown and Awusie both do it some (and Brown as a rookie was a better starter than either Ball or Reeves), but they need to make their tight coverage pay off more often.

The player who took to Richard's technique the best and benefited the most from it was Byron Jones. For most of the season, Jones was in his receiver's hip pocket and used his length to break up passes. He was about as close to a shut-down corner as we've had in a long time. The only knock against him is he doesn't make interceptions. He also slipped some later in the year, but I think it was due to playing through injury.

Richard's preference for players with length can be seen in Donovan Olumba (6-2) being kept on the practice squad last year, Michael Jackson (6-1) being drafted and Chris Westry (6-4) being a priority UDFA. Treston Decoud is also 6-2 while C.J. Goodwin is 6-3. This is a good group of his type of players, and if a couple of them step up, they could make Lewis and/or Brown expendable, depending on which one of them takes the nickel role.

ROSTER PREDICTION: Since I kept five safeties, I'm also keeping five cornerbacks to give us 10 total defensive backs. Unlike last year, though, I think the fifth spot will be fully deserved by whoever wins it. I like our top four (Jones, Awusie, Lewis, Brown) and don't think they should be messed with this year outside of vying for playing time. That leaves one spot, which I think will go to Jackson in a tight race because the technique and style of play Richard uses keeps players like him from having to chase quick-cutting receivers all over the field. However, I'm not entirely out on the two "veterans" (Decoud and Goodwin). Olumba and Westry go on the practice squad. Again, it won't surprise me if one of the last four gets kept and we trade Lewis or Brown if someone just shows too much to be cut.
I like the idea of trading a CB. We are gonna lose one so might as well get something for them
I like Lewis but if we aren’t gonna use him then might as well get something for him
A pick might come in handy next year
 

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They are in good shape at CB for this year. Contracts are going to cause turnover in this group in the next year or 2. Hopefully the old drunk gets this as he lets junior keep pulling the trigger on those 1 year deals. You need continuity at CB. They finally have a talented group, let’s see if these jokers can keep it going.
 

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I think you're right on keeping 10 DBs.
I like both of our starters as a tabdem...BJ and CA...tough,physical,gritty....both easy to root for.
Donovan Olumba is worth watching...he might be a surprise keep on the 53...and I think Jackson sticks...that means maybe Lewis and Brown might be fighting it out for a spot...we'll see.

my 5...BJ,CA,Lewis,Olumba,Jackson.
 

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Not me. Injuries happen. And we need cb depth in the playoffs. Draft picks are hit & miss.

That's definitely the risk, so it should depend on what the younger players show. I didn't like the rumors about trading Lewis earlier this offseason because you need at least four solid cornerbacks, plus I think Lewis is better than Brown. I also think that not all corners can play the slot, which is why one of those two would need to stay no matter what. If not because he's better than Brown, Lewis should be the choice to stay because we are able to keep him longer. Brown leaves in free agency next year while we have Lewis through 2020.

Again, I'm not saying I'm in favor of trading either. The only way that is a consideration is if not only Jackson makes the team but someone else like Westry or Olumba look to at least be Brown's equal.
 

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I think, given the situations with contracts, and the depth/numbers at CB this year, this is a position I'd be looking to go long at, with 6.

Time flies in the NFL. Brown is likely gone next year, Byron is in limbo. We have two seasons of Awuzie and Lewis. I'd be fine paying Byron and Awuzie if they end up being shutdown with a better defense around them, cough pass rush cough. That just means i can spend draft picks on DL. But, who knows how that works out. I could also see Byron getting tagged if Awuzie progresses, so they can see if he ends up being a guy they want to pay while Byron hits FA.

Regardless, of the top 4 CBs, one is gone next year, one is uncertain, two more are uncertain in 2 years.

Just no to trading our CBs. We got completely owned last year, trading a guy who's a starter for the Chiefs, started in the playoffs and helped shut down Andrew Luck, picked Brady for what would have been sent them to the Super Bowl if Dee Ford wasnt an idiot, for a fat guy who tore his ACL in his first practice and won't sniff the team. Just keep them this year.
 

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I would keep 6 CBs,Broaddus is high on Olumba and maybe he has a leg up on the rookies..
 

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Can't ever have enough good CB's. That what Parcells said, and he is right.

I think all the CB's return from last year to make the roster. Plus one other, Jackson most likely since he was a draft pick. If they keep 5, they will not keep 2 rookies. If they keep four, then no way they keep 2 rookies from late picks or UDFA's.

Jackson, Olumba, Westry in that order. as it seems they like Olumba a bit last year. I think KC wanted to trade for him, but Dallas said no. I am not sure of that, but think there was something to it. So traded the other DB. Can't recall his name, but he also looked decent in TC. I think he made the KC team.
 

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If jourdan lewis isn't at least one of the starting 3 richard is an idiot and he can leave with marinelli tbh
 

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If jourdan lewis isn't at least one of the starting 3 richard is an idiot and he can leave with marinelli tbh

After the way Lewis took the opportunities in his limited plays in the Saints game, he needed more playing time. And needs more consideration going into TC this year. Especially if Brown is in his last year on his contract. Lewis we have for 2 more years.
 

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After the way Lewis took the opportunities in his limited plays in the Saints game, he needed more playing time. And needs more consideration going into TC this year. Especially if Brown is in his last year on his contract. Lewis we have for 2 more years.
He's even outplayed Chido. If it were me I play Byron and Lewis on the outside and have chido play nickel where he can blitz and be physical.
 

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After the way Lewis took the opportunities in his limited plays in the Saints game, he needed more playing time. And needs more consideration going into TC this year. Especially if Brown is in his last year on his contract. Lewis we have for 2 more years.

That's the main thing for me. Give him the opportunity in camp to prove that he belongs in the top three at least. Split the nickel snaps between Lewis and Brown and let competition determine the winner. Lewis didn't play as well in camp as I thought he would, but I also think he was placed behind the eight-ball before it even started.
 

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He's even outplayed Chido. If it were me I play Byron and Lewis on the outside and have chido play nickel where he can blitz and be physical.

I think he needs to beat out Brown for the nickel role first and then we can discuss whether he or Awusie should be starting, and which one is best in the slot.
 

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We currently have depth at CB. We might need to use that depth during a long tough season including post season. Unless one of the rooks shows he can play well in a reserve role I wouldn't trade any of the top 4 guys. Now is the time to win, not stockpile late picks.
 

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We currently have depth at CB. We might need to use that depth during a long tough season including post season. Unless one of the rooks shows he can play well in a reserve role I wouldn't trade any of the top 4 guys. Now is the time to win, not stockpile late picks.

Any trade, for me, would depend on how well the young players play. That's why I believe our top-four guys aren't going anywhere this year. The only way it would happen is a sixth corner plays too well to be cut, so Olumba, Decoud and Goodwin would all have to step up from where they were or Westry would have to be a phenom.

I don't want us to run into another Charvarius Ward situation where we trade away a young player who is looking great in camp. I know we needed OL depth, but I didn't like that move. (We didn't have to trade him from a roster standpoint, though, because there was room to keep him.)
 

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Any trade, for me, would depend on how well the young players play. That's why I believe our top-four guys aren't going anywhere this year. The only way it would happen is a sixth corner plays too well to be cut, so Olumba, Decoud and Goodwin would all have to step up from where they were or Westry would have to be a phenom.

I don't want us to run into another Charvarius Ward situation where we trade away a young player who is looking great in camp. I know we needed OL depth, but I didn't like that move. (We didn't have to trade him from a roster standpoint, though, because there was room to keep him.)


Completely agree. For the most part it looks like we have some of the best depth we've had in many years. It is not a question of if injuries happen but when they come about can guys step up. Without a guy like looney we would have been 3rd in the division last year, and no one saw Freddies illness coming.
 

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I think he needs to beat out Brown for the nickel role first and then we can discuss whether he or Awusie should be starting, and which one is best in the slot.
You obviously don't know what you are looking for. He has more talent than brown and chido.
 
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