Forget Dak, he's not the problem

[Cowpolk]

OK, I was feeling left out and haven't had a Dak thread so this is my only one. But I thought I would combine a Ranching thread with this so what are you eating while reading and responding?

Who lost that Green Bay playoff game and the one in LA? It is a trick question because it's like a Dr. Seuss book, it was a lot of who's, like an entire team of them.

Dak Prescott played well enough to win both of those games and brought them back in that Green Bay game very smartly for a rookie QB. The D in one gets 18 points down and in the other lets the opposing team run it up the gut and limit Dak's time with the ball and opportunities. Those were team losses.

Hey, I agree about the inconsistent accuracy being a challenge but I've also seen enough accuracy from him that I know he can play the position. And let's assume he and the coaching staff are aware of that issue as well and are working on that together.

What's the most important trait for a QB, any player? What do you think Eagles fans would say it is for a QB? Durability, doesn't matter how good a player is if he can't show up consistently and we've got a Tier 1 when it comes to that and he plays a little contact as well. Of all the teams, we can be the least concerned about the backup QB. And the Eagles?

It isn't about Prescott like it wasn't about Romo, it was about the teams they led and how their perceived their part in that. Romo was more risk because he felt he had to do something on every possession because he didn't have that first best friend, a D, but he proved how good he could be with that second best friend, a RB. Prescott has both best friends and they're better than Romo ever had.

And let's forget this "carrying the team" nonsense about these other QB's like Brady, Brees and Rodgers, do they really carry their teams or do they get the ball in the hands of the playmakers just like Aikman and Montana used to do? They do not carry the team, they execute the plays and it is the team that carries the team.

For whatever reason, fans take a liking to a player or not and the QB seems to catch most of that. No matter what the QB does, if someone doesn't like him, it's never going to be good enough and the weight of the load goes on his back.

This team will go as far as the team can take itself, not as far as the QB can take it. It's funny how Brady gets the GOAT tag, and he's pretty damned good, but ever notice every year he wins it, his run game and D are in the top 10, that's every year he's won it. Maybe Brees and Rodgers would have won more than that if their teams had done that and maybe Rivers could get to one.

Danny White part 2 but Dak cant punt

 

[jazzcat22]

I post here because otherwise non-cowboys fans would have difficulty remembering whether or not you guys were QB shopping. Is that not the point of this thread?

non-cowboys fans? Heck many of our own fans want to QB shop. Even when Romo was the QB.

Me, I want to see how our QB does this year, as I am not 100% sold on him yet, but lean more for the good than bad. Becasue the team has won games with him.

 

[cern]

Once Dak leads us to a championship then we can anoint him the ultimate winner. Romo had to hear it.

Danny, Morton and Meredith had to hear it as well and they were more prolific passers with greater teams that came up short. All being raked over the coals. Even Roger and Troy took some criticism along the way and at the end of their careers.

Dak Homers need to toughen up their skin cause the longer he goes without leading us to the promise land the harsher the criticism. And it might be tougher since he isn’t a Top 10 passer.

He wins. That's better than stats. That's all that matters. The rest is regurgitated pablum.

 

[Diehardblues]

non-cowboys fans? Heck many of our own fans want to QB shop. Even when Romo was the QB.

Me, I want to see how our QB does this year, as I am not 100% sold on him yet, but lean more for the good than bad. Becasue the team has won games with him.

But that’s not what our ownership wants . They are already All In and prepared to open up their check book. They’ve seen enough.

I’m not sure what’s worse. That or wanting to shop around?

 

[Diehardblues]

He wins. That's better than stats. That's all that matters. The rest is regurgitated pablum.

We’ll see how much he wins. So far it looks like more of the same in the end. Just a different path.

 

[Diehardblues]

Jerry’s happy though . Just like with Romo, he wins enough to sell jerseys and keep butts in the seats.

We’ve had two of our most popular QB in Cowboy history who can’t get past a divisional round of the playoffs. But we’re still #1 in Revenue. Yipppeee How Bout Them Cowboys!

 

[erod]

But that 30M is ahead of the game as that will soon be the norm and you reward QB's with 66% winning and the East 2 out of his only 3 seasons. They don't pay them to be elite, they pay them to win. And that's how they will justify 30M.

I would rather pay a good QB 30M than a great RB 15M because RB's just aren't all that in the NFL anymore. I do not see a problem with paying Dak 30M, and I am getting out in front of this because I think that is happening, as long as they do not have to let some key players on D walk like Jones or Smith. I just don't see a team with 61M to their triplets and a top 5 paid OL holding any kind of effective D together. Then, we are right back where we started, riding the offense.

This running back is the primary reason this team wins.. When he's not there, it's ugly.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

non-cowboys fans? Heck many of our own fans want to QB shop. Even when Romo was the QB.

Me, I want to see how our QB does this year, as I am not 100% sold on him yet, but lean more for the good than bad. Becasue the team has won games with him.

He’s definitely done that, and will be rewarded for it.

 

[Idgit]

To be fair, Dak is pretty easy to forget.

It’s like he’s been benched for his backup or something. Like he’s not even going to be at OTAs at all.

 

[DandyDon52]

I want to build on this and CouchCoach's original post.

I think . when we talk about "carrying a team" we're talking about consistently making plays, big plays, controlling the offensive flow and yes, winning the game based on QB talent and will. Absolutely Aaron Rogers carried GB to victory in that 2016 playoff game ... on his back! Take him out of the equation and we win that game handily. He was hurt (or faking hurt) that game too.

Staubach for sure pushed the envelope, literally willing the team to perform, like AR did in 2016. Listen to any opponent speak about him and they all say as long as he was back there you couldn't count the Cowboys out. Opponents feared him and his play elevated all those around him (his teammates) ... maybe not the definition of carrying a team but it ain't too damn far off.

Aikman showed superbly excellent play but those early 90's teams it was a group effort ... just an overall talented bunch led by the Triplets. Aikman was just a huge cog in the wheel but I think it was really Emmit's team. Can't minimize QB play and Aikman performed.

Can't say yet that I see any of this on this team or with this QB. So I agree with CC it'll be a team win if we have a successful year. I do think if Moore is as good as some think (me included) he'll elevate Dak's and the offense's play.

Still wanting #6 here before I go into that great stadium in the sky!

"Aikman showed superbly excellent play but those early 90's teams it was a group effort ... just an overall talented bunch led by the Triplets. Aikman was just a huge cog in the wheel but I think it was really Emmit's team. Can't minimize QB play and Aikman performed."
It amazes me how so few fans credit the defense and ST's on the 3 Sb teams. They scored at least one early td in one of the buffalo SB games.
They were very good, so there was less pressure on the offense.
The offense was good, but I think a little over rated considering how good the forgotten defense and ST played.

" Aaron Rogers carried GB to victory in that 2016 playoff game ... on his back" ....again Rodgers got all the credit for that win,
But he had a lot of help. Their defense shut dallas down for most of the first half.
That last catch, was a good effort by rodgers, but imo the catch was what was great, not the pass.

Staubach, the only thing I will say there, is if landry would have let Roger call his own plays, Dallas likely would have 2 more SB wins.

Landry was great coach, but he started the whole OC thing, and I never liked that.
The 2 SB's dallas lost to Pitt, Bradshaw got to call his own plays, and I think that is why they won those games.
The OC calling plays is ok with young or stupid QB, but if they are smart and experienced they should be calling the plays
themselves.
That pass was uncatchable, but somehow the TE caught it and stayed in bounds.
the pass should have been thrown earlier, as the TE was wide open the whole play.

Some other good catches too, like the one that went thru sean lees hands in the end zone.
It was a team win and rodgers got all the credit.
Meanwhile the next week the great AR was defeated quite easily. Was he tired ? or maybe just not as great as some think?

 

[Hadenough]

If you only follow the ball he might not appear to be the problem . But when you consider the Rams defense was able to shut Elliott down in part because they could crowd the LOS without as much concern with Dak going over the top.

And take into consideration how we weren’t able to convert 3rd downs going 1 for 10 which stalled drive after drive early on leaving our defense out there to be shredded and falling behind so far we were forced out of our strength.

There’s always more to it than what the eye sees.

This is too much for the Dak lovers to comprehend! They think its blasphemy!
There is no doubt with Daks consistency and accuracy issues we can expect more of the same every time the Cowboys face a good team in the playoffs. Not one defensive coordinator will be worried about Dak being able to beat them with his arm.

 

[starfan1]

Of course the same person will not go to the SB every year but take Brees or Rodgers on this team and this team would be odds on favorite to make it to the SB this year

Cowboys are in the conversation to win because they're the cowboys not because of Dak

GB and NO are in the conversation because of Brees and Rodgers

Ya pretty much the same thing I said from 2006-2016 what a shame we all can’t have a Brees or Rodgers btw how has aaron fared once his hold on every other play o-line went to the crapper

 

[starfan1]

And no other team with the greatest QB/HC combo of all time.

10 straight championship and 9 SB appearances overall is just embarrassing to the rest of the league.lol

It’s basically GOAT Brady ( who is most clutch QB in NFL history), the greatest defensive guru of this era and the 2nd stringers.

Place any other HC/QB combo this era and they don’t scratch the success they’ve had with same rosters.

They have done a great job in key games but place them in the division with Pittsburgh and Baltimore history rewrites itself.

Not trying to diminish the 2 goats but let’s be real here playing in a division with the dolphins and jets and bills can’t hurt

That said you can only beat who’s in front of you

 

[ItzKelz]

Well, it's debatable whether he's the best in his class.
Yes, every QB misses open receivers. But some quarterbacks can overcome those misses, and others can't. I would say Goff overcame his misses and Dak didn't, wouldn't you say?

Goff has never proved that he can read defenses in the NFL and make adjustments. But that is not the question that you asked. Dak over the last 3 seasons have overcame his and the rest of his teams mishaps more than any other QB in the NFL.

 

[Diehardblues]

They have done a great job in key games but place them in the division with Pittsburgh and Baltimore history rewrites itself.

Not trying to diminish the 2 goats but let’s be real here playing in a division with the dolphins and jets and bills can’t hurt

That said you can only beat who’s in front of you

They still had to play them each time in the playoffs and usually in regular season with 1st place schedule. It’s fair to argue Balt and Pitt might have had less success this era if they had been in same division as Pats.

 

[Diehardblues]

Ya pretty much the same thing I said from 2006-2016 what a shame we all can’t have a Brees or Rodgers btw how has aaron fared once his hold on every other play o-line went to the crapper

The key is when they did have the team around them took advantage of it playing for championships.

All QB’s need surrounding support. It’s what they do with it when they have it that separates them from the pack.

 

[willia451]

People believe it's all about the QB because that's what they have been told to think.

Makes things simple for everybody. And they like that.

In baseball, everybody believes it is all about the pitcher. And that's absolutely true. That's why the pitcher is assigned wins and loses. It really is all about that guy.

Football didn't have anything like that. Which made it too confusing. So the media created it out of air.

Now everybody is happy.

 

[CouchCoach]

This running back is the primary reason this team wins.. When he's not there, it's ugly.

And I am not sure the root of that. Is that the QB or the OC's play calling? Go back to that ATL game when Green was a swinging door, did you see any adjustment in the play calling to help the QB?

That's been my issue with this coaching staff, and that begins with the HC, their tactics are almost non-existent. Garrett and his crew watched how Belichick coached in KC and the SB with the same awe and wonder we did as fans. Takes a good General to formulate the strategy but just as good line officers to engage tactics and the really good HC's go into battle assuming their strategy will not hold. That's Belichick because he strategizes his tactics just as he did his DL in the SB and McVay didn't have an answer.

I have a suspicion that Linehan didn't like Prescott and was never on board with him as the QB1. I know there was staff not ion his camp and I think Linehan was at the top of that list. Why else would he call so many plays that involved tight window throws with a QB that doesn't have accuracy as his strong suit? I think when Garrett screwed up and announced Linehan was staying, he ruined Dak's day. I would love to have been a fly on the wall with the Joneses after Garrett made that announcement because his embarrassing withdrawal was pretty quick in coming. And I wonder if that had a little something to do with no extension?

 

[CouchCoach]

Put yourself in the position of GM. What do you do about the QB position? You've got this guy that's delivered 2 East crowns in 3 years and is a fan favorite by being the #2 selling jersey and there's not one owner in the league that isn't aware of merch sales. It's not Booger all about the money, it's all 32 of them.

So, you decide to take your chances with where the QB salary might be after this season which is nothing more than hoping he doesn't improve to be able to demand more money, think about the logic in that. You've got a HC on a contract year, think having your QB on one is a good thing for the team?

Now, assume you've decided you want to upgrade to one without the warts, who ya gonna get? Want to go for one in the draft? Got any sure things there? Because every team except CLE is wondering if they made the right call at QB in the 2018 draft and one has already pulled the plug on one QB. Is this not the grass is greener textbook example?

And let's stop this "tanking" BS right now. Do you think for one minute that Booger is going to let that happen to the champ for TV ratings and just consider how the nets would love that and the black eye on the NFL for orchestrated losing. Not to mention on the Zone when we know our team is losing to TRY to win.

So, you've got to give up the draft to get one of these blue chippers, if the two worst teams aren't in the QB market. And you don't know if what you would get is any better than what you have…….or as good.

I was in that "wait and see" camp for this season but I've changed my mind and all of this "would a HC candidate not take the job because of Dak being the QB" is pure nonsense. He's not a great QB but he is a good QB and could become a very good QB.

Yep, his inconsistency with accuracy is a problem but I've seen enough to know he is the bird in the hand and they can win it all with him. And a lot of that is based on the belief they see what I see, he needs a team around him and that started with them giving up their 1st for a WR in this draft and building a D. They haven't been doing what too many have been doing, making this all about one player, they're making it all about the team. And even if it doesn't work I do believe they're going about it the right way and I couldn't say that until just recently.

And even if they do end up with the highest paid triplets in the league, you play the cards you're dealt and they dealt this hand themselves, this is by design.

 

[visionary]

They have done a great job in key games but place them in the division with Pittsburgh and Baltimore history rewrites itself.

Not trying to diminish the 2 goats but let’s be real here playing in a division with the dolphins and jets and bills can’t hurt

That said you can only beat who’s in front of you

Yep, those Pats are overrated
They play only Jets and Dolphins in the playoffs