NFL and NFLPA joint agreement on pain management, potentially including marijuana

[Diehardblues]

Thank you for continuing to agree with me! I'm on a roll!

We are agreeing on a given from the onset. Lol

 

[Corso]

We are agreeing on a given from the onset. Lol

I'm glad you can laugh about this.
It's not law, it's merely policy that can be changed without ramifications.

You get it.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm glad you can laugh about this.
It's not law, it's merely policy that can be changed without ramifications.

You get it.

I never said the NFL policy was law. I said it’s contents were dictated by law which in this case was illegal substances.

And the ramifications of those changes are left up to interpretations of the law and subject to argument since it’s unknown what the results could be.

 

[Corso]

I never said the NFL policy was law. I said it’s contents were dictated by law which in this case was illegal substances.

Mm hmm. You agree with me.
It's merely policy that can be changed. Legally they don't have to test.

You get it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

MJ is a great plant with more benefits then anything else can think of. I unfortunately even though in a state where legal am unable to use because of job. This is a bad subject as it involves 2 categories that are banned on this board. There should be no reason why players don't get to benefit from this because if really needed there is rules involved that need be followed. It wont just be a free for all pass

I don't agree with this. There is actually no reason, at all, to use Weed if you are a player. The medicinal applications are already available through prescribed medications so if you can get those, you don't need to actually smoke weed. Because every team has doctors who are able to prescribe these medications, there is no need to smoke weed. That's the truth of the matter.

JMO

 

[speedkilz88]

I don't agree with this. There is actually no reason, at all, to use Weed if you are a player. The medicinal applications are already available through prescribed medications so if you can get those, you don't need to actually smoke weed. Because every team has doctors who are able to prescribe these medications, there is no need to smoke weed. That's the truth of the matter.

JMO

If the prescribed drug has the same chemistry make up then the player would still test positive for thc.

 

[Diehardblues]

Mm hmm. You agree with me.
It's merely policy that can be changed. Legally they don't have to test.

You get it.

That’s a silly given basis.

 

[Corso]

That’s a silly given basis.

How so?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If the prescribed drug has the same chemistry make up then the player would still test positive for thc.

The testing was not what I commented on. I commented on the idea that players should be allowed to smoke because of medical benefits derived from smoking weed, and actually, as I re-read the former posters comments, he didn't actually say that players should be allowed to smoke, he just says that it's a great medical product. Anyhow, I never said anything about testing, only that smoking weed is not actually necessary in order to benefit from the medicinal values offered. Smoking, regardless of weed or cigarettes, is not good for you and the side effect of being "High" is also not necessarily good for you either. You can get the medicinal without the side effects.

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't agree with this. There is actually no reason, at all, to use Weed if you are a player. The medicinal applications are already available through prescribed medications so if you can get those, you don't need to actually smoke weed. Because every team has doctors who are able to prescribe these medications, there is no need to smoke weed. That's the truth of the matter.

JMO

Agreed!
There’s really no known health advantages to smoking Weed without medicinal purposes. I smoked it when I was younger and it’s a dependency substance however recreational your use is. It alters the mind.

And I’m fine with decriminalizing it’s consumption but Id regulate, tax and control like we do alcoholic beverages.

 

[Diehardblues]

How so?

Because it’s a given company policies aren’t dictated by law while their content related to illegal activity usually is.

 

[Corso]

Because it’s a given company policies aren’t dictated by law while their content related to illegal activity usually is.

Sigh... not my point, but that's what you do. Whatever man.
I'm moving on from this. You know the NFL can relax their testing rules, if they want, and nobody is going to blink.

That's it and that's all.

Go ahead with your last word. Make sure to throw in a LOL for points and maybe call someone a slobberer while you're at it.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I completely disagree. There are MANY people who smoke cannabis (Marijuana is essentially a made-up word)
and happen to be excelling in high stress careers.

Moderation is the key to everything. Hell, watermelons can kill you if you eat too many of them in one sitting.
Thing is, most people know to stop before that happens.

I agree about moderation. My late Grandmum always preached moderation. Anything overdone is bad. However, I happen to think things like marijuana should be strictly regulated if legalized. Randy Gregory and another DE that shall not be named are prime examples of how addictive it can be. So, I don't mind the thought of legalizing it. However, I want it regulated.

 

[Diehardblues]

Sigh... not my point, but that's what you do. Whatever man.
I'm moving on from this. You know the NFL can relax their testing rules, if they want, and nobody is going to blink.

That's it and that's all.

Go ahead with your last word. Make sure to throw in a LOL for points and maybe call someone a slobberer while you're at it.

I never argued that point. Relaxing their rule is not abolishing the rule or ignoring the law which was my point.

Not sure you grasped from the beginning but it’s not uncommon for post context to be misinterpreted on this forum.

Your first response to me on this subject begun with a false statement about how the NBA was enforcing marijuana and you seemed to be bothered by my correction.

 

[Birdgang]

The testing was not what I commented on. I commented on the idea that players should be allowed to smoke because of medical benefits derived from smoking weed, and actually, as I re-read the former posters comments, he didn't actually say that players should be allowed to smoke, he just says that it's a great medical product. Anyhow, I never said anything about testing, only that smoking weed is not actually necessary in order to benefit from the medicinal values offered. Smoking, regardless of weed or cigarettes, is not good for you and the side effect of being "High" is also not necessarily good for you either. You can get the medicinal without the side effects.

Who said smoke ? There are a lot of ways use Medical MJ from food, drinks to ointments. I also stated that since its regulated under doctors its not free for all do what you want. Just like any prescribed medicine being abused. Med MJ is not at all the same crap people get off the street and has certain strains for certain conditions. The pros vs negatives are not even close as there are very few. Also you dont get said "High" when taken the proper dose. Just like opiates, patients that actually need them dont get that high effect the drug seekers do .... as it reduces the pain. Now granted there are exceptions for everything ... and not everyone reacts the same to treatments. That's, why you are under doctors, care and monitoring. Trust me if they really need it ... abuse wont be a problem. The people that dont can F off . When is last time you have seen a person on MJ start a bar fight or go wreck a car at 100 mph ?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I agree about moderation. My late Grandmum always preached moderation. Anything overdone is bad. However, I happen to think things like marijuana should be strictly regulated if legalized. Randy Gregory and another DE that shall not be named are prime examples of how addictive it can be. So, I don't mind the thought of legalizing it. However, I want it regulated.

However, I must say that, personally, I'd rather ONLY medicinal marijuana be legalized. I understand that marijuana has many benefits medicinally. I'm someone who doesn't do drugs like that. However, I'd much rather have medicinal marijuana over a lot of the prescriptions that doctor's prescribe. Other than that, I think it is not wise to take.

As a Catholic Christian, I do think that anything put in the body that is harmful is bad. However, that is incredibly arbitrary. Smoking cigarettes is bad, yet that's legal. Obviously, opioids should be banned. However, if there is a benefit to something, then it is worth researching provided that the consequences are minimal. To circle back to my point, marijuana uncontrolled is bad. Medicinal marijuana is good if controlled.

 

[Diehardblues]

Who said smoke ? There are a lot of ways use Medical MJ from food, drinks to ointments. I also stated that since its regulated under doctors its not free for all do what you want. Just like any prescribed medicine being abused. Med MJ is not at all the same crap people get off the street and has certain strains for certain conditions. The pros vs negatives are not even close as there are very few. Also you dont get said "High" when taken the proper dose. Just like opiates, patients that actually need them dont get that high effect the drug seekers do .... as it reduces the pain. Now granted there are exceptions for everything ... and not everyone reacts the same to treatments. That's, why you are under doctors, care and monitoring. Trust me if they really need it ... abuse wont be a problem. The people that dont can F off . When is last time you have seen a person on MJ start a bar fight or go wreck a car at 100 mph ?

While I do agree marijuana doesn’t induce violent or destructive behavior it does have other negative causes with its addiction. Like under achievement and laziness. A far too laid back approach to life. Altering the mind especially with a young person can never be constructive behavior.

Yes, they can function like all substance abusers but when you live for the next buzz or high it has long lasting effects on your productive nature and lifestyle. Do we really want a nation with a culture of everyone getting high or with a buzz to get thru the day?

Sad that so many people are down or depressed in their life they need a substance without a natural high on life and their own achievements.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm glad you can laugh about this.
It's not law, it's merely policy that can be changed without ramifications.

You get it.

But it is Law, at least in something like 30 states. To allow it in the NFL opens up a can of legal worms for the League. I mean, what happens when players get busted in states where Weed is illegal (and they will, you know it as well as I do)? I don't think it's as easy as it might seem on the surface and there is also the other side of the discussion that would need to be considered by the League. I mean, yes a lot of the players are probably in favor of this but the Players are not the driver in this situation. The Fan Base is the driver on this because they are your audience. While many NFL Fans may not care about smoking weed, a very key, very large core of fans are not in favor of it. You risk losing that fan base if you make this move. You add to the fact that we are still very early in this legalization of weed. There are medical factors that have yet to be realized. A lot of people believe weed is harmless but we all know it's addicting and we don't yet know the long lasting effects of weed usage on the entire population. It could very well turn out that there are negative long lasting effects and that they are effecting the younger population in a negative way. If this ever comes to realization, I suspect that the entire fan base will change their opinions on weed and that could be very, very bad for the league if they decide to back weed usage.

JMO

 

[Corso]

But it is Law, at least in something like 30 states. To allow it in the NFL opens up a can of legal worms for the League. I mean, what happens when players get busted in states where Weed is illegal (and they will, you know it as well as I do)? I don't think it's as easy as it might seem on the surface and there is also the other side of the discussion that would need to be considered by the League. I mean, yes a lot of the players are probably in favor of this but the Players are not the driver in this situation. The Fan Base is the driver on this because they are your audience. While many NFL Fans may not care about smoking weed, a very key, very large core of fans are not in favor of it. You risk losing that fan base if you make this move. You add to the fact that we are still very early in this legalization of weed. There are medical factors that have yet to be realized. A lot of people believe weed is harmless but we all know it's addicting and we don't yet know the long lasting effects of weed usage on the entire population. It could very well turn out that there are negative long lasting effects and that they are effecting the younger population in a negative way. If this ever comes to realization, I suspect that the entire fan base will change their opinions on weed and that could be very, very bad for the league if they decide to back weed usage.

JMO

I never said make it legal, or usable, or allowed in the NFL.
I was saying that they can simply relax their testing policies. That is not law.
I don't even really advocate for MJ use in the NFL.

 

[Birdgang]

However, I must say that, personally, I'd rather ONLY medicinal marijuana be legalized. I understand that marijuana has many benefits medicinally. I'm someone who doesn't do drugs like that. However, I'd much rather have medicinal marijuana over a lot of the prescriptions that doctor's prescribe. Other than that, I think it is not wise to take.

As a Catholic Christian, I do think that anything put in the body that is harmful is bad. However, that is incredibly arbitrary. Smoking cigarettes is bad, yet that's legal. Obviously, opioids should be banned. However, if there is a benefit to something, then it is worth researching provided that the consequences are minimal. To circle back to my point, marijuana uncontrolled is bad. Medicinal marijuana is good if controlled.

Its not so much that MJ is addicting or even opiates .... its more than the person has an addictive personality. Yes the human body can become dependent on opiates but that type of person can be weaned off when no longer needed. So someone like Gregory is going to have a hard time putting anything down he takes regularly.It also to applies to a much larger scale of things. Some say its genetics which is true, but that does not mean you will be effected. Example My father was an alcoholic and actually high functioning. Only one of my 5 siblings had an issue. I myself was on pain killers for over a year after an accident and during rehab " got hit by an armored truck on a bike" had no issues coming off and actually pushed it faster then docs wanted. There will always be bad people that will take advantage of good things and mess it up for the people that need and would use as directed.