NFL and NFLPA joint agreement on pain management, potentially including marijuana

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah, but there has to be a reason for a lawsuit and I'm struggling to think of what it could be.
Otherwise I'm in agreement with you.

I honestly see no need to do much of anything to the policy. I'm just saying they can do something.

It could be anything. It could be a player driving too fast and crashing into another driver, which results in loss of life, while under the influence of weed. It could be the Players Union that sues the NFL at some point, if studies show that there are, in fact negative effects of smoking weed. It could bea number of unintended consequences and we all know people. They sue over anything they think they can make a buck on.

 

[RoboQB]

Eating watermelons aren't addictive, smoking weed definitely is. Water can kill you to, but who drinks too much water? I tried that test in academy years ago and couldn't drown myself after drinking 3 gallons in less than an hour. Good things aren't addictive, bad things are. Moderation in bad things only limits the amount of damage. Like a moderate killer, or being moderate in raping ppl, cutting urself, stealing, cheating , lying and so on. A little bit or moderate amount of bad still has the effects. Moderation is good to keep in mind when doing good things. On bad things, the key is to try to eliminate. A moderate Hitler , is still HITLER!!!! Now, how much better would those ppl. Be doing in their careers, if they found better ways to deal with stress? How does smoking weed affect the morality of those ppl? Are weed smokers someone you want working for you? The character of a person is tied to every thing they take part in.

A moderate rapist or killer? A moderate Hitler?
If Hitler was moderate, he wouldn't have been "Hitler". Raping and killing are two of the worst physical crimes
a person can commit. Also, a person who lies, cheats and steals will always be a liar, a cheater and a thief.
No moderation there. That's more like a character flaw.

 

[Corso]

It could be anything. It could be a player driving too fast and crashing into another driver, which results in loss of life, while under the influence of weed. It could be the Players Union that sues the NFL at some point, if studies show that there are, in fact negative effects of smoking weed. It could bea number of unintended consequences and we all know people. They sue over anything they think they can make a buck on.

I simply don't see a lawsuit winning against the NFL because a player smoked out and got in a car crash because they relaxed their testing rules.
I don't see that happening at all.

 

[Corso]

It could be anything. It could be a player driving too fast and crashing into another driver, which results in loss of life, while under the influence of weed. It could be the Players Union that sues the NFL at some point, if studies show that there are, in fact negative effects of smoking weed. It could bea number of unintended consequences and we all know people. They sue over anything they think they can make a buck on.

To go on... the NFLPA will surely be in on the relaxing of said policies, should they happen. They would have to sue themselves also then.
And yes, anyone can sue. Doesn't mean they'll even get to court, much less win.

 

[eromeopolk]

 

[Diehardblues]

That didn't specifically answer my question though.
You did point out why the concusiion issue isn't a bigger mess, but you didn't touch upon what I asked.

There hadn’t been a specific case because the NFL has been doing everything within their power to avoid Congress getting involved.

Are you looking for a speculative type situation we can only imagine that might incur if the league hadn’t taken any action on their own like former players going to their representatives to seek help if the league ignored their complaints even after scientific evidence was on their side?

 

[iceberg]

You weed hippies need to stop hijacking my thread and talk about the issues.......

yea, stop talking about weed and start talking about weed! : )

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

you do realize that Big Companys like the NFL get away with a lot. You dont bite the hand that feeds you. Think of all the revenue that comes along with the NFL and things attached to it. This I know fora fact first hand as Ive worked for both Federal and state agencies for the last 20 years.

Depends on what you mean by, "get away with". In order to "get away" with something, you have to give up something and the cost of that might be very costly indeed. Why do it at all? Why put yourself in that situation if you don't have to?

 

[Corso]

There hadn’t been a specific case because the NFL has been doing everything within their power to avoid Congress getting involved.

Are you looking for a speculative type situation we can only imagine that might incur if the league hadn’t taken any action on their own like former players going to their representatives to seek help if the league ignored their complaints even after scientific evidence was on their side?

No. I asked what kind of lawsuit could occur if the NFL further relaxed their MJ testing policy.
ABQ and I are discussing it...

 

[Diehardblues]

To go on... the NFLPA will surely be in on the relaxing of said policies, should they happen. They would have to sue themselves also then.
And yes, anyone can sue. Doesn't mean they'll even get to court, much less win.

I’m not sure what 99% of the complying players will be willing to give up so this 1% of problems players can skate thru?

 

[Diehardblues]

No. I asked what kind of lawsuit could occur if the NFL further relaxed their MJ testing policy.
ABQ and I are discussing it...

That wasn’t how he presented it.

 

[Corso]

I’m not sure what 99% of the complying players will be willing to give up so this 1% of problems players can skate thru?

I have no clue either.
Look guys, all I'm saying, in the end, is that it could happen, not that it will, or that I want it to, or that it should happen.

It's just a possibility and one that could easily happen.

 

[Birdgang]

Depends on what you mean by, "get away with". In order to "get away" with something, you have to give up something and the cost of that might be very costly indeed. Why do it at all? Why put yourself in that situation if you don't have to?

many reasons but they would lead to being even more off topic and a few subjects that are not going to be brought up by me.

 

[Corso]

That wasn’t how he presented it.

Do you agree with that @ABQCOWBOY ?

 

[Diehardblues]

I have no clue either.
Look guys, all I'm saying, in the end, is that it could happen, not that it will, or that I want it to, or that it should happen.

It's just a possibility and one that could easily happen.

Anything’s possible . You’d certainly think that as more states legalize that the leagues will have more leniency on the substance.

 

[Corso]

Anything’s possible . You’d certainly think that as more states legalize that the leagues will have more leniency on the substance.

That's certainly reasonable and obvious.
I struggle with what kind of legal trouble the NFL can get in with relaxing said policy though.

If you guys are concerned with that...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I still don't see how.
The NFL further relaxes their testing policy over MJ. They didn't allow it, didn't advocate it, they just relaxed their policies.

Where is the lawsuit going to come from on that?

Without knowing the extent of the policy changes, there is really no way I can answer this question but lets say they do relax them, I ask you an honest question here, how much more relaxed can they make them? I mean, it would have to boarder on none existent if they relax them anymore. The testing is there to protect the League, can we agree on that? The only way it makes sense for them to relax what exists today is if there is no further exposure to the League. You really can't know how changes might effect the League without actually seeing the proposed changes.

Lets say you build cars for a living. Lets say you relaxed standards on testing on said vehicles. What would happen if those relaxed standards resulted in a death down the line or what have you? I mean, there is a reason that Lawyers pay so much to get that education and there is a reason that they charge what they do right? Just saying.......

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

To go on... the NFLPA will surely be in on the relaxing of said policies, should they happen. They would have to sue themselves also then.
And yes, anyone can sue. Doesn't mean they'll even get to court, much less win.

But it all costs money. Why do it?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Do you agree with that @ABQCOWBOY ?

I'm sorry, I'm not following the conversation between you two. What is the question or post being referenced here?

 

[Corso]

Without knowing the extent of the policy changes, there is really no way I can answer this question but lets say they do relax them, I ask you an honest question here, how much more relaxed can they make them? I mean, it would have to boarder on none existent if they relax them anymore. The testing is there to protect the League, can we agree on that? The only way it makes sense for them to relax what exists today is if there is no further exposure to the League. You really can't know how changes might effect the League without actually seeing the proposed changes.

Lets say you build cars for a living. Lets say you relaxed standards on testing on said vehicles. What would happen if those relaxed standards resulted in a death down the line or what have you? I mean, there is a reason that Lawyers pay so much to get that education and there is a reason that they charge what they do right? Just saying.......

Ah... you bring up the heavy machinery argument.
First: I don't know how much more they can relax them... they are pretty lax, but they are obviously already looking into it, aren't they? Not us, them. Why do you think they are doing that?
Second: NFL players aren't building things that could harm people. Sure, they can get high and drive off a cliff, or through a school, but that's on them still. Not the NFL and nobody will win that fight in court.
They have good lawyers that they pay a lot of money too.