Pay Dak, he certainly deserves it

[Sydla]

Man up.

Stop making stuff up.

 

[Sydla]

We've been through this.

You've been through it. I want to hear what other people have to say...........

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Inflation.

Doesn't drive value. Again, this is a poor way of doing business. Pay players what the market dictates, not some BS formula that demands you pay players x% over the last guy who got paid or whatever. What if your guy is worth way more then that? Then what? What if your guy is worth way less? How does this make sense to you, personally. If you ran a business, would you do that?

 

[Jarv]

The only leverage we have on Dak now is this year, we an let him ride at his current salary (not sure, 2 million). Or we can sign a new deal and he'll make probably 25 million (at least) more this year. Take that 25 million and divide it between 5 years and that comes to 5 million/year. Obviously if he signs this year, we could reasonably ask for a discount since he'll make 25+ million more this year, otherwise pay him whatever next year (up to 35 million) up the total contract value (TVC) is the same.

It's just math.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

see wentz contract...… see Wilson contract.....Rodgers is about 33.5 but he is elite.....Wilson is better than dak….Dak shouldn't get 35 mill a year....unless you think he is as good as Wilson....or better than Rodgers....

I did see Wentz's contract and I just explained to you what it actually is. You need to see his contract and figure out what it actually is. Dak is not Wilson. When Dak wins a Championship, then come see me but not until. Same for Rodgers and I know that you say this in your post but with reason right? I mean, you pay players according to value. That's how it works, or should work anyway.

 

[G2]

You've been through it. I want to hear what other people have to say...........

It really won't matter, will it? I mean you don't think Prescott should get an extension and the staff does. It's easier to accept the reasons we should sign him asap.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

perhaps Jacksonville (but they just paid foles, so not so sure)
, Miami (meh, maybe not they just traded a 2nd round pick for Rosen).
steelers? Roth coming to the end of his career...but they don't normally over pay....
Cinci? they are notoriously cheap
Titans? are they ready to move on from Mariotta...then again he did beat dak in his house
Chargers?...interesting idea.
saints.....brees is got one more year or so....
Lions....are they moving away from Stafford?
Tampa.....that's a probability

Honestly, I don't think any of these teams can really pay Dak 30 plus. Tampa has exercised the fifth year option so they are on the hook for 20 mil plus with Winston this year. They have less then 5 mil in cap space right now, according to Over The Cap. I mean, even if they had interest in Dak and they wanted to pay him over 30, they couldn't. This is what I am talking about. The Market drives things and the market will drive decisions where you end up paying more then you should for certain players. That happens, so when the market actually helps you, why in the world would you go ahead and spend more then you need to just because some idiot in Tennessee or Minnesota or wherever, paid X amount?

That just doesn't make any sense.

 

[G2]

I did see Wentz's contract and I just explained to you what it actually is. You need to see his contract and figure out what it actually is. Dak is not Wilson. When Dak wins a Championship, then come see me but not until. Same for Rodgers and I know that you say this in your post but with reason right? I mean, you pay players according to value. That's how it works, or should work anyway.

I think a championship is a bad example. Especially Wilson's.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think a championship is a bad example. Especially Wilson's.

I don't. A championship is a real thing and it absolutely makes a difference when you are talking about QBs and contracts. A championship gets you a few million more in a lot of situations. It is a real thing SW.

 

[G2]

I don't. A championship is a real thing and it absolutely makes a difference when you are talking about QBs and contracts. A championship gets you a few million more in a lot of situations. It is a real thing SW.

Not when it was of his lowest seasons with regard to statistics and having a killer defense and RB.

 

[Sydla]

It really won't matter, will it? I mean you don't think Prescott should get an extension and the staff does. It's easier to accept the reasons we should sign him asap.

I never said I "don't think Prescott should get an extension".

 

[Rockport]

Has nothing to do with my point or this discussion.

But again, it is not surprising that you are looking like a fool yet again around these parts.

Start the name call as soon as you lose the argument. That's what you do.

 

[dogberry]

Football is a field of endeavor where terms such as “deserve” and “fair” seem out of place to me.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not when it was of his lowest seasons with regard to statistics and having a killer defense and RB.

So you think that he got the contract he got and that Super Bowl win didn't factor in? There is no amount of money that would convince me it didn't. That did nothing but help him. Dak doesn't have that so don't compare Wilson's situation and contract to Dak and what he can earn, based on his Resume. That's the point here.

 

[G2]

I never said I "don't think Prescott should get an extension".

What I should have said was you repeatedly stated you wanted to wait a year.

 

[Sydla]

Not when it was of his lowest seasons with regard to statistics and having a killer defense and RB.

Are you talking about Wilson's stats?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well, Wentz's contract is 30 plus for 4 years but the guaranteed portion of that contract is actually like 25 or 26 depending on if you look at it over 4 years or 6 years. Philly actually got a deal done with Wentz that is much cheaper IMO. You have to look at the guaranteed portion of the contract. I don't know what the additional money is based on but lets say it's based on Wentz playing in 100% of the games or lets say it's based on winning championships, neither of those things are likely to happen. But if they do, then he gets the additional money but not until then. So if we want to give Dak a contract that pays him an average of 25 for 4 years or 23 for 6 with a bonus that brings him to 30 or whatever, I'm fine with it but the deal is really going to be about the guaranteed money because the rest is pie in the sky stuff. Players and agents only look at the guaranteed numbers.

I agree, the overall total number is not a big deal, they can inflate it how they want. its the guaranteed portion, plus how many years you have a chance to get out depending on the cap hit...

I like what wentz did. he could have played hard ball and get another 3 to 4 mill a year, but then not be able to sign a player or two that can help the team....3 to 4 mill sounds like a lot to us, but when you make 30 a year, you can buy all the things you want, but you can't buy championships.

 

[G2]

So you think that he got the contract he got and that Super Bowl win didn't factor in? There is no amount of money that would convince me it didn't. That did nothing but help him. Dak doesn't have that so don't compare Wilson's situation and contract to Dak and what he can earn, based on his Resume. That's the point here.

Maybe, but he's a good QB. A very good one. You don't let a QB slip away, you sign them and that's what adjusts the market value. Otherwise Wentz wouldn't have been extended early. 2 out of 3 seasons were incomplete.

 

[G2]

Are you talking about Wilson's stats?

Yep.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Honestly, I don't think any of these teams can really pay Dak 30 plus. Tampa has exercised the fifth year option so they are on the hook for 20 mil plus with Winston this year. They have less then 5 mil in cap space right now, according to Over The Cap. I mean, even if they had interest in Dak and they wanted to pay him over 30, they couldn't. This is what I am talking about. The Market drives things and the market will drive decisions where you end up paying more then you should for certain players. That happens, so when the market actually helps you, why in the world would you go ahead and spend more then you need to just because some idiot in Tennessee or Minnesota or wherever, paid X amount?

That just doesn't make any sense.

I agree, the cowboys can just sit and wait. next year the market is about the same and some of those teams probably won't want dak as it won't fit the type of offense they run. so next year may not be much better and plus those teams may end up in the top 10 and there is always a couple of QBs coming out. so the market shrinks. I think the market for QBs is shrinking a little and thus price may drop.... plus we can always franchise and wait one more year.