Pay Dak, he certainly deserves it

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this offense scored? not against the rams...7 points when it counted. they score 20+ against seattle. I can agree that poor play calling, etc. but that was the case all year....its not like in the playoffs scoring averages drop by 10 points per team...maybe a few points and its a limited number of games so it can wildly swing....

2018-19 Regular Season Stats

Rams 32.9 PPG
Chiefs 35.3 PPG
Saints 31.5
Colts 27
Chicago 26.3
Houston 25.1


2018-19 Playoff Stats
Rams 19 PPG
Chiefs 31 PPG
Saints 21.5
Colts 17
Chicago 15
Houston 7

New England is the only team that scored more points in the post season than they did in the regular season.

But I think this shows you that what you are saying is wrong. Teams do average 10 points less than they did in the regular season. Not all but a lot of them did.
 

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2018-19 Regular Season Stats

Rams 32.9 PPG
Chiefs 35.3 PPG
Saints 31.5
Colts 27
Chicago 26.3
Houston 25.1


2018-19 Playoff Stats
Rams 19 PPG
Chiefs 31 PPG
Saints 21.5
Colts 17
Chicago 15
Houston 7

New England is the only team that scored more points in the post season than they did in the regular season.

But I think this shows you that what you are saying is wrong. Teams do average 10 points less than they did in the regular season. Not all but a lot of them did.
I think that teams get more conservative in a playoff game and more cautious about not making mistakes, which helps explain why the Rams. Saints, Colts, and Bears dropped 10 points from their season average.
 

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I think that teams get more conservative in a playoff game and more cautious about not making mistakes, which helps explain why the Rams. Saints, Colts, and Bears dropped 10 points from their season average.

That doesn't explain the Texans or the Rams though. Saints....may be theirs a argument for that. There's not one for the Rams or Texans. Rams offense definitely got exposed by Bellicheat. In part....Goff didn't look good for like the last month of the season.
 

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That doesn't explain the Texans or the Rams though. Saints....may be theirs a argument for that. There's not one for the Rams or Texans. Rams offense definitely got exposed by Bellicheat. In part....Goff didn't look good for like the last month of the season.
I think Goff really missed his #1 WR Cooper Kupp. You do realize Belichick is one of the best at confusing young QBs.
 

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I say one thing and you argue against it. I'm telling you to look and google the contracts given out. You're arguing against what is fact.

Now I don't know what Dak will get. But I'm telling you right now his agent is coming to the table and his argument for a Dak contract is that he's better than Jimmy G and Kirk Cousins and he's had a better career than Carson Wentz and Goff thus far. And when Dak get this 32 or 33 million? Goff's camp will want 35+. Then when he signs that? Mahomes camp will want 40+. This is how it works. This is how its worked.

In your opinion, he is better. In my opinion, that is very debatable. If this is how you want to run a business, I wish you luck. I don't think it's a very good way but that's up to you, it's your opinion but make no mistake, it is just opinion on your part.
 

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I'm not saying what SHOULD happen. I'm telling you what is happening. What's been happening in this whole salary cap era.

What Oakland did is no different than what any other team has done. Before Brown it was Lawan...before Lawan it was Solder.......this is the NFL.

Do me a favor. You don't act like an authority on this subject and I won't point out how very wrong you are in many, many cases. We don't agree. It's cool, we can just leave it at that.
 

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2018-19 Regular Season Stats

Rams 32.9 PPG
Chiefs 35.3 PPG
Saints 31.5
Colts 27
Chicago 26.3
Houston 25.1


2018-19 Playoff Stats
Rams 19 PPG
Chiefs 31 PPG
Saints 21.5
Colts 17
Chicago 15
Houston 7

New England is the only team that scored more points in the post season than they did in the regular season.

But I think this shows you that what you are saying is wrong. Teams do average 10 points less than they did in the regular season. Not all but a lot of them did.
like I said, I am not arguing that scoring average goes down some. I had said this before!!! why? because you don't pat our stats playing patsies and bottom feeders.... and given that you play at most 4 games, one game can greatly eschew the averages. so a 10 point outing for rams brings their average way down. like what happened in the superbowl. but you are only focused on one year. what about last year? the year before...high scoring superbowls….

so trying to prove that offenses in post season ar atrocious, down right ugly or horrible is not really the way to go...not sure what your angle is, but you seem so hung up on such a non important issue!!!

also, given its playoffs...one game and you are out. so one bad outing and your are down and you can't really call that average...…
 

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I think that teams get more conservative in a playoff game and more cautious about not making mistakes, which helps explain why the Rams. Saints, Colts, and Bears dropped 10 points from their season average.
keep in mind, some of these aren't average really...its just a one game out come. i.e. Colts. the outcome of any one game is unpredictable, compared to a 16 game season..... and looking at previous years, the numbers do drop a little, mostly because better teams get in the playoffs and better teams have better defenses, offenses, etc. and like you said, given the sudden death nature of the playoffs, teams do get conservative a little.
 

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perhaps Jacksonville (but they just paid foles, so not so sure)
, Miami (meh, maybe not they just traded a 2nd round pick for Rosen).
steelers? Roth coming to the end of his career...but they don't normally over pay....
Cinci? they are notoriously cheap
Titans? are they ready to move on from Mariotta...then again he did beat dak in his house
Chargers?...interesting idea.
saints.....brees is got one more year or so....
Lions....are they moving away from Stafford?
Tampa.....that's a probability
ha ha ha ha ha ha too funny, you have drank the cool aid
 

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In your opinion, he is better. In my opinion, that is very debatable. If this is how you want to run a business, I wish you luck. I don't think it's a very good way but that's up to you, it's your opinion but make no mistake, it is just opinion on your part.
It’s not how I want run a business. This is not any business we are talking about here. This is the NFL.
like I said, I am not arguing that scoring average goes down some. I had said this before!!! why? because you don't pat our stats playing patsies and bottom feeders.... and given that you play at most 4 games, one game can greatly eschew the averages. so a 10 point outing for rams brings their average way down. like what happened in the superbowl. but you are only focused on one year. what about last year? the year before...high scoring superbowls….

so trying to prove that offenses in post season ar atrocious, down right ugly or horrible is not really the way to go...not sure what your angle is, but you seem so hung up on such a non important issue!!!

also, given its playoffs...one game and you are out. so one bad outing and your are down and you can't really call that average...…
I think you forgot what my point was due to all of this stopping. My point was offenses dont' do as well in the post season as they do in the regular season. You are making excuses for why that is the case. All fair points. But regardless of why that is.....it happens. So yeah the offense sucked. Defense sucked. Offense suckkd all year. Defense didn't do yeah I Was more shocked by the defense's performance than I was the offense.
 

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In your opinion, he is better. In my opinion, that is very debatable. If this is how you want to run a business, I wish you luck. I don't think it's a very good way but that's up to you, it's your opinion but make no mistake, it is just opinion on your part.
It’s not how I want run a business. This is not any business we are talking about here. This is the NFL.
Do me a favor. You don't act like an authority on this subject and I won't point out how very wrong you are in many, many cases. We don't agree. It's cool, we can just leave it at that.
You're getting offended but i'm not pulling this stuff out of my arse. I'm bringing up facts and history. Now if you can bring up facts and history in your point of view i'll gladly listen. You're taking this victim approach but i'm not sure why. NO one is attacking your opinion or you. I'm just saying what you're saying doesn't hold up on what we've seen.
 

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It’s not how I want run a business. This is not any business we are talking about here. This is the NFL.

Yes, it's the NFL, explain to me how bidding against yourself is a good business practice, regardless of what business you are in. If you want to claim that there is another team out there who would offer 30 mil plus to Dak, long term, tell me which team you think that is.
 

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Rams offense sucked against Dallas too. CJ Anderson just went beast mode on us.
No doubt Anderson ran wild but they didnt do anymore than they had to. Why let Goff throw when they were running so well. It's possible Goff could of had a big day if that's what they game planned.
 

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No doubt Anderson ran wild but they didnt do anymore than they had to. Why let Goff throw when they were running so well.
Goff sucked for a whole month prior to that game. Wasn’t just one game.
Yes, it's the NFL, explain to me how bidding against yourself is a good business practice, regardless of what business you are in. If you want to claim that there is another team out there who would offer 30 mil plus to Dak, long term, tell me which team you think that is.
You aren’t bidding against yourself. And I answered you two pages ago about teams that could use Dak a year from now. Now we are just going around in circles.
 

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You're getting offended but i'm not pulling this stuff out of my arse. I'm bringing up facts and history. Now if you can bring up facts and history in your point of view i'll gladly listen. You're taking this victim approach but i'm not sure why. NO one is attacking your opinion or you. I'm just saying what you're saying doesn't hold up on what we've seen.

No, I am trying not to be dismissive of your posts. There are literally multiple situations that disprove what you are saying. Circumstances drive decisions. You are making a mistake by using LT as an example and an even bigger one by using Oakland as a team to point at. I mean, if you know anything about what Oakland has done the last few years, you know this. I told you earlier, this is not personal for me. This is business and I have yet to hear one valid reason why we should pay Dak 30 Mil plus. I've only heard that I don't understand and very general, broad explanation as to why. You are using situations and substituting them as facts but they are really not.

I don't care if you attack my opinion, I welcome it because I know I can defend it. You, however, you have not answered the simple question I've asked. What team is going to pay Dak 30 Million guaranteed for a long period of time? That drives the deal and that is the only reason we should consider paying more for Dak.
 

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You aren’t bidding against yourself. And I answered you two pages ago about teams that could use Dak a year from now. Now we are just going around in circles.

OK, which team is going to offer him a deal? And BTW, you didn't answer the question two pages ago. So I'm asking you, specifically, who is the team that is going to offer Dak 30 Million plus. Lets go a head and look at them. Lets look at their roster, there cap and figure it out. I've done this already so I know what it's going to show but I'm willing to do it again. Lets go, who's the team.
 

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No, I am trying not to be dismissive of your posts. There are literally multiple situations that disprove what you are saying. Circumstances drive decisions. You are making a mistake by using LT as an example and an even bigger one by using Oakland as a team to point at. I mean, if you know anything about what Oakland has done the last few years, you know this. I told you earlier, this is not personal for me. This is business and I have yet to hear one valid reason why we should pay Dak 30 Mil plus. I've only heard that I don't understand and very general, broad explanation as to why. You are using situations and substituting them as facts but they are really not.

I don't care if you attack my opinion, I welcome it because I know I can defend it. You, however, you have not answered the simple question I've asked. What team is going to pay Dak 30 Million guaranteed for a long period of time? That drives the deal and that is the only reason we should consider paying more for Dak.
The LT our if Oakland is just one of many. Jimmy G and Kirk Cousins are other examples. Wentz is another. How many more examples do you want?

I answered your question but I’ll do it again. Bengals, Ravens, Dolphins, Broncos, Raiders and Buccs will all need quarterbacks next year. Would they want Dak over a rookie qb? Not sure but those are teams that can use Dak and would pay Dak.

Now I have a question. Can you point to a time in history where a 25 year old quarterback took less than market value out of the kindness of his heart? Can you also point to a time where the Cowboys let a quarterback walk who had Dak’s resume?
 

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The LT our if Oakland is just one of many. Jimmy G and Kirk Cousins are other examples. Wentz is another. How many more examples do you want?

I answered your question but I’ll do it again. Bengals, Ravens, Dolphins, Broncos, Raiders and Buccs will all need quarterbacks next year. Would they want Dak over a rookie qb? Not sure but those are teams that can use Dak and would pay Dak.

Now I have a question. Can you point to a time in history where a 25 year old quarterback took less than market value out of the kindness of his heart? Can you also point to a time where the Cowboys let a quarterback walk who had Dak’s resume?

Examples of what? It's like you don't listen. Cousins got signed by Minnesota because they believed that they were a QB away. They believed that he could win them a championship now. That's why they paid him. And BTW, it's a short term deal. It's 3 years with an average of 28 per year. I mean, if you want to sign Dak to that type of deal, I'm all in on that. Is that what you want? I personally think that would be a great situation for Dak but it's not long term guaranteed money.

Garoppolo is another example of a short term deal with no long term security. He signed a 5 year 137 mil deal, which is really only a two year deal. His average salary was like 27 mil, he got 41 mil up front, he made 37 last year but going forward, he is at 19 mil, 26 mil, 26 mil and 27 mil but in reality, SF can be out of the contract in 2021 with only a 2.8 mil dead cap hit. His deal is not long term. Again, it's a short term deal with a lot of up front payout to make it very easy for the team to just get out of the deal. If that's what you want for Dak, I'm all for it. And let me ask you, what drove that deal? A situation where their existing starter looked great early but leveled off and was a complete PR nightmare and distraction to the team. That's why Garoppolo got that deal to begin with. It wasn't because the going rate was 30 mil, which he never ever got as an average salary. Bad cap management is what forced that deal. Now we got guys like you trying to turn it into some kind of ludicrous statement that says it's how the NFL works. Well no, it's not. It's how it works if you are stupid and don't manage your cap. Is that who you want to be here in Dallas?

What post did you answer my question in? I'm very curious to read it all.

OK:

Bengals
Ravens
Dolphins
Broncos
Raiders
Bucks

Bengals - Bengals only have 20 Mil in cap space. Now, that is before any of their Draft Picks get signed or the practice squad is accounted for. More then that, they have maybe the most team friendly contract of any team in the NFL at starting QB, for Dalton. If you were the Bengals, would you spend on a huge QB deal while you have an experienced QB on the Roster and having just drafted Finely to develop? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Add to that, they would have to give something up to get Dak. What do you think the Cowboys are going to ask for here? You see the Bengals giving up those picks and paying out that huge increase in salary? I don't see that. Why would they, they aren't close so Dak aint putting them over the top.

Dolphins - Fins have 26 Mil in cap space available, prior to signing everything. More importantly, they just picked up Rosen and they have Fitzpatrick on the roster. Fins, between both QBs have like 29 mil invested in cap space between these two QBs. Why on earth would the Fins want to go out and spend 30 mil plus on Dak if you are the Fins? I mean, that makes no sense at all. Why would they do that?

Ravens - Currently have Griffin III on contract but it's for something like 4.5 mill over two years. That's not really all that big of a deal but what is a bigger deal is that they just drafted Lamar Jackson in the first round and I don't see them just cutting him loose. They aren't going to sign Dak for 30 Mil plus, give up the draft picks it would take and just cut Jackson free. Besides, they only have like 12 mil in cap space so they would have to find away to come up with at least 8 mil more.

Broncos - Denver has a little over 5 mil in cap space. They have just traded for Joe Flacco. They are on the hook for 18 plus mil this upcoming season and that number goes up from there. They just took Drew Lock with a 2nd. I don't see how they could or would be able to pay 30 mil plus for Dak, plus give up the picks or give up on Lock before he's even gotten a chance.

Raiders - Raiders have Carr and Dak is not an upgrade there. Carr is cheaper and he's locked in for 22 mil next season, Raiders just picked up his option. He's not going anywhere, unless they trade him but why would they trade Carr only to go out and spend more money on a QB who may not be as good? They hold all the cards with Carr and they have a lot of holes on that team. They have the cap but they don't have the cap to sign a player like Dak and surround him with talent. If that's the plan, then why invest 30 mil plus in a QB who needs talent that you can no longer afford?

Bucks I covered earlier. they are in no position to sign Dak.

In short, anything could happen but I don't see any of these teams wanting or even being able to sign Dak and having it be a positive, in terms of their team situation.
 

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It’s not how I want run a business. This is not any business we are talking about here. This is the NFL.

I think you forgot what my point was due to all of this stopping. My point was offenses dont' do as well in the post season as they do in the regular season. You are making excuses for why that is the case. All fair points. But regardless of why that is.....it happens. So yeah the offense sucked. Defense sucked. Offense suckkd all year. Defense didn't do yeah I Was more shocked by the defense's performance than I was the offense.
I don't disagree and I think we both saying the same thing. I am not making excuses, I just presented facts, reality. and I also pointed the fact that we can't look at a one year sample, like 2018.

and that was my point, I am not pointing fingers at defense when we started the discussion. I pointed fingers at offense, defense and coaching. the debacle in LA wasn't just on defense. I was shocked by all of it. we just didn't look good in any phase of the game until the 4th quarter, when it didn't matter.
 
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