Why does an athlete need $30m instead of $20m?

[ABQCOWBOY]

What you are missing is that it is a 4 year, 128MM contract EXTENSION, but the signing bonus portion of it starts kicking right away rather than waiting until the extension kicks in. It's just a structure thing, but it doesn't change the fact that the team is paying $128MM for 4 additional years.

Why on earth would you think that I'm missing that Omer? I am well aware of that but again, the bottom line is that starting this season, and for the next 6 seasons, the average that he makes is closer to 25 or 27 per year, depending. Hey, I'm good with it, if you want to do a deal like that for Dak, I'm OK with that. Lets go ahead and offer 128 for four years, in addition to Dak's existing deal. That would place Dak at about 130 mil for 5 years or, 26 Mil per year. That's pretty much exactly where I'm at right now, except I am suggesting an additional year and more guaranteed money. If that's what you want to see, I'm on board with that, even though, that's actually a worse deal then what I am suggesting.

 

[OmerV]

Why on earth would you think that I'm missing that Omer? I am well aware of that but again, the bottom line is that starting this season, and for the next 6 seasons, the average that he makes is closer to 25 or 27 per year, depending. Hey, I'm good with it, if you want to do a deal like that for Dak, I'm OK with that. Lets go ahead and offer 128 for four years, in addition to Dak's existing deal. That would place Dak at about 130 mil for 5 years or, 26 Mil per year. That's pretty much exactly where I'm at right now, except I am suggesting an additional year and more guaranteed money. If that's what you want to see, I'm on board with that, even though, that's actually a worse deal then what I am suggesting.

Because you keep trying to say Wentz isn't getting paid $32MM/year under the new contract. He is, it just doesn't show that way on paper because NFL contracts don't work where they are paid in equal increments over the life of the contract. It won't work that way with Dak either, so you are making a nonsensical argument.

 

[CouchCoach]

Love Romo and Nantz as does the vast majority. Also, the vast majority can't stand Buck. And it doesn't matter what sport he covers. During the US open this year I had to mute him. He focuses on the negative with the majority of his comments.

I agree with your majority assessment but I've never been about that, I am more into the minority of one and what he likes and I know him oh so well.

I spent 25 years in radio working with announcers and both of them talk off mic and do not project their voices as Buck and Michaels and even Tessitore does. And Romo's style does nothing for me, I don't need a commentator predicting plays and I don't care that he's a former Cowboy, when he became former, I became indifferent. Nantz acts like he's doing golf all the time. If I watch a CBS game, I have to crank the volume up because they both make me work to hear them and Romo forgets he's broadcasting.

A lot of the Buck stuff is the perception that he doesn't like the Cowboys and likes it when they're losing and even if that's true, I don't care because he does his job of play-by-play very well and I do not have to work to hear him.

 

[Roadtrip635]

That's possible but if you believe the Jones, they are not giving Dak a Wilson type deal.

I would simply say this though, this discussion is really more about what they should do and not what they are actually going to do IMO. I agree that we don't know what is going on with Dak and the team.

I don't think they are either. Many are flipping out when they heard what the counteroffer from Dak's peeps was, like they've never negotiated or haggled over a price before. One starts high the other starts low and meet somewhere in the middle. I'm less concerned about the yearly average and more concerned what the guaranteed money is and how it gets structured. I think the real problem for many, is just that the team wants to keep Dak.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Because you keep trying to say Wentz isn't getting paid $32MM/year under the new contract. He is, it just doesn't show that way on paper because NFL contracts don't work where they are paid in equal increments over the life of the contract. It won't with Dak either, so you are making a nonsensical argument.

I never said that. You said that. I said do the math. What is the average over 6 years, which is where that contract takes him. What's the average?

I just told you, if you want to do a deal with Dak like they did with Wentz, cool. Lets go ahead and pay Dak 32 mil for 4 years and 2 mil for one year and get it done. I'm good with that.

 

[Roadtrip635]

I agree. Players would be wise to limit their exposure, in terms of salaries and the numbers being reported but they will never do that because they equate money with how they view themselves. It is hard for a great many fans to look at these guys and identify with them, I agree.

I think most do try, there is a vocal minority, but for the most part there aren't many that are talking about their numbers. The issue stems from all the media, talk shows, social media and other info outlets and everything gets widely circulated, discussed, dissected whether the players/teams want it to or not. Just look at Dak, all he's said is he's not worried and is sure a deal will get done and is just getting ready for the season. He's not talking numbers or how much he should get paid or talking about sitting out of camp or games.

 

[G2]

Absolutely true but I ask you, would you pay 30 if you knew that nobody else was out there willing to pay 30? Because I absolutely think that's where we are at with Dak. I don't think there is a team out there and I've done some homework here. I can't really find justification for another team doing this.

Sure there are other teams that would pay. There are a few teams who haven't had a legit franchise QB in years.

 

[kskboys]

I know he doesn't have that in cash but you get my point.

Political discussions not allowed on here.

 

[glimmerman]

Sure there are other teams that would pay. There are a few teams who haven't had a legit franchise QB in years.

Many said that Romo would never find another team before his second contract. Heck he could come out of the booth now and teams would go for it. And if he was to be there starting QB then even one year deal would get him a payday.

 

[kskboys]

I bought a new Jaguar recently and my ex accused me of being filthy rich, well guess what I work two full time jobs and the abuse these players put themselves through they absolutely should go after every penny they can. With Brady he is set for life and the fame from the 6 rings will bring even more wealth once he retires. It also doesn't hurt that he has an even richer wife. It also doesn't hurt to have a super model wife. I need one of those...

1 year at 20 million sets you for life.

 

[glimmerman]

1 year at 20 million sets you for life.

Easily. Actually half of that. Heck I could make 3-5 work.

 

[ESisback]

I agree with your majority assessment but I've never been about that, I am more into the minority of one and what he likes and I know him oh so well.

I spent 25 years in radio working with announcers and both of them talk off mic and do not project their voices as Buck and Michaels and even Tessitore does. And Romo's style does nothing for me, I don't need a commentator predicting plays and I don't care that he's a former Cowboy, when he became former, I became indifferent. Nantz acts like he's doing golf all the time. If I watch a CBS game, I have to crank the volume up because they both make me work to hear them and Romo forgets he's broadcasting.

A lot of the Buck stuff is the perception that he doesn't like the Cowboys and likes it when they're losing and even if that's true, I don't care because he does his job of play-by-play very well and I do not have to work to hear him.

I also noticed that many times the crowd noise drowns out the play by play guys. All that money, all that sophisticated equipment and they can’t get the levels right?

 

[OmerV]

I never said that. You said that. I said do the math. What is the average over 6 years, which is where that contract takes him. What's the average?

I just told you, if you want to do a deal with Dak like they did with Wentz, cool. Lets go ahead and pay Dak 32 mil for 4 years and 2 mil for one year and get it done. I'm good with that.

That's hogwash. You have been trying to argue that looking at Wetnz's contract as $32MM/year is invalid because, as you claim, he isn't actually getting $32MM per year. You are using bonus structure to fabricate a false argument.

The reality is he is getting what he was always going to get for the remaining 2 years on his contract, and getting $128MM more for the additional 4 years, for an average of $32MM per year. That's the "math" you keep asking me to look at, and the fact that the bonus is structured where some of that $128MM is paid before the additional 4 years kicks in doesn't change that.

And what's more ridiculous is your argument that it would somehow work differently if Dak were to sign a 4 year, $128MM extension. The reality is that if Dak were to sign for 4 additional years at $128MM, the bonus structure wouldn't result in him getting exactly $32 million this year and every year that he is under contract any more than it means that for Wentz, but the dollars and additional years would still be the same. They would both be getting 4 additional years for $128MM.

 

[ESisback]

1 year at 20 million sets you for life.

Of course, but if someone else is getting a little more, you’re being dissed! Holdout! Renegotiate!

 

[kskboys]

Easily. Actually half of that. Heck I could make 3-5 work.

Easily. Which is why I would take the contract and go where I would rather be. Since both easily set you for life, I'm looking more at personal happiness. For instance, I pretty much would never go to a NY or LA team. I would absolutely hate living there.

 

[glimmerman]

Easily. Which is why I would take the contract and go where I would rather be. Since both easily set you for life, I'm looking more at personal happiness. For instance, I pretty much would never go to a NY or LA team. I would absolutely hate living there.

For sure, I am putting my roots down where I am going to be happy. When the season is over I am going to chill.

 

[glimmerman]

Easily. Which is why I would take the contract and go where I would rather be. Since both easily set you for life, I'm looking more at personal happiness. For instance, I pretty much would never go to a NY or LA team. I would absolutely hate living there.

When the season was over would you rewatch the games to watch yourself play.

 

[CouchCoach]

I also noticed that many times the crowd noise drowns out the play by play guys. All that money, all that sophisticated equipment and they can’t get the levels right?

Yep and it seems worse with CBS, was just as bad with Nantz and Simms. They had and he has it with Romo as well that two man radio disease. They forget they're broadcasting and talk to each other and both have soft voices.

The also got burned several years back because of that balance of live event sound that they want. One of the fans under their booth was not just vocal but Boston vocal and they got a warning from the FCC that any more of that "too incidental" language and they'd be facing a substantial fine. I happened to be watching that game and Nantz and Simms were aware of it as they tried to keep the silence down and they should have had security either toss that guy or move him because I think he became aware that he was getting famous in the background.

 

[kskboys]

When the season was over would you rewatch the games to watch yourself play.

Only if I needed to correct something.

 

[glimmerman]

Only if I needed to correct something.

I would check myself out. I love me some me. Lol.