Dak-Deniers/Fact Haters, What Will Dak Have to Do for You to Eat Crow?

[Scotman]

What? Dak threw 526 times in 2018 and only had 22 TDs through the air. It's not like Zeke was eating up the touches in the red zone or scoring a ton either like Smith.

This argument doesn't work. I broke this down a couple months ago, when compared to other QBs with similar pass attempts or LESS pass attempts - Dak does not come out favorably.

I get it. We were like 22nd in the league in passing yards per game and 10th in rushing yards per game. But you can't possibly be suggesting we have been trying to run a modern offense and that the only hold up was Dak? Right? You obviously have seen enough of Dak to know he isn't going to make it as a franchise QB. I haven't. I'm still hopefully that he's improving. I'm hoping a more modern offensive scheme will be part of the solution. If a more modern scheme highlights everything you've seen, you'll be proven right. I'm still rooting for the Cowboys and hope you are not.

 

[jwitten82]

What has Dak "won" up to this point? Wildcard rounds? If that's what "winning" is to you, your expectations for this franchise are low. Either way, "W/L" is not an individual stat.

And LOL "Pro-bowls" - he made it to the 2018 Pro-Bowl as an injury replacement, bud.

Lol I cant believe people still bring up that pro bowl..wasnt he lime the 3rd qb chosen after others decided to sit out?
Also, how about Dak throw for more than 23 tds in a season, its 2019, thats a low number for any qb

 

[mattjames2010]

I get it. We were like 22nd in the league in passing yards per game and 10th in rushing yards per game. But you can't possibly be suggesting we have been trying to run a modern offense and that the only hold up was Dak? Right? You obviously have seen enough of Dak to know he isn't going to make it as a franchise QB. I haven't. I'm still hopefully that he's improving. I'm hoping a more modern offensive scheme will be part of the solution. If a more modern scheme highlights everything you've seen, you'll be proven right. I'm still rooting for the Cowboys and hope you are not.

It doesn't matter what type of offense you think we TRIED to run, the simple fact is, Dak had a relatively high pass attempt rating and it was low compared to other QBs who had a similar pass attempt rate.

And we weren't running a 90s offense, 90s offenses that you're comparing to were relatively run heavy - we were more of a balanced offense. It looks like we run a ton due to how many attempts Zeke has, but he eats up all the carries.

Dak is a mediocre passer and even using raw statistics shows this. We don't need to complicate this anymore than it has to be - Dak is becoming an Alex Smith clone.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

This is very true...this is a passing league. But it's also true we've been running a 1990's offense. The league may be pass-happy, but the Cowboys have spent the last three years trying to win it on the ground. Dak's number should look more like a 90's QB because that's the offense that he's in. Now, I am hopeful that Dak can take the step forward and compete in the air. I honestly get it that there are those that are not hopeful...they just haven't seen it. As Pollyanna as I am, I'd wait to pay him even if it cost a lost more.

We're running a 1990 offense cause we don't have a quality QB to do otherwise! Our coaches KNOW better than most Dak's flaws and hence we run run run and run some more!!!!!
All the above is solved once a quality gut them out when there single coverage QB is under center...which if you watch last years game is exactly what the Colts did and shut us out!
Dak could not beat there press single coverage as he cannot make a lot of throws ACCURATELY!!!!
Now all you Dak-zoids throw your Hate this Hate that but it is what it is....we are 1 QB away from the Superbowl!!!!

 

[Nav22]

The only "Joke" here is you Dak-Zoids trying your best to convince us here that Dak is a Franchise QB now thats funny!!!!

I know that “Dak-Zoids” sounds like a clever insult in that empty brain of yours.

In reality, it’s as stupid and nonsensical as anything else you post here.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

I know that “Dak-Zoids” sounds like a clever insult in that empty brain of yours.

In reality, it’s as stupid and nonsensical as anything else you post here.

Stupid is what STUPID does....move on Dak-Zoid move on...we aren't buying your Dak myth....

 

[Scotman]

It doesn't matter what type of offense you think we TRIED to run, the simple fact is, Dak had a relatively high pass attempt rating and it was low compared to other QBs who had a similar pass attempt rate.

And we weren't running a 90s offense, 90s offenses that you're comparing to were relatively run heavy - we were more of a balanced offense. It looks like we run a ton due to how many attempts Zeke has, but he eats up all the carries.

Dak is a mediocre passer and even using raw statistics shows this. We don't need to complicate this anymore than it has to be - Dak is becoming an Alex Smith clone.

You make it sound as if I'm the only one drawing the comparisons to the offense we've been running and the offenses we ran in the 90's. And just saying things over and over doesn't make them true. From 92-95 the Cowboys ran the ball 50.4% of the time. In 2016 we ran the ball 51.6% of the time. So, please show me the numbers that we are more balanced now than we were in the 90's Superbowl years.

We have been running an outdated offense and that has an impact on your numbers.

 

[mattjames2010]

You make it sound as if I'm the only one drawing the comparisons to the offense we've been running and the offenses we ran in the 90's. And just saying things over and over doesn't make them true. From 92-95 the Cowboys ran the ball 50.4% of the time. In 2016 we ran the ball 51.6% of the time. So, please show me the numbers that we are more balanced now than we were in the 90's Superbowl years.

We have been running an outdated offense and that has an impact on your numbers.

Troy Aikman's pass attempts from 92 to 95

92 - 473
93 - 392
94 - 361
95 - 465

Smith in that same time frame had amost 400 carries every season outside of 93

I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but it's not remotely close or comparable. And I imagine our clock control in the 90s was far better too.

 

[Scotman]

We're running a 1990 offense cause we don't have a quality QB to do otherwise! Our coaches KNOW better than most Dak's flaws and hence we run run run and run some more!!!!!
All the above is solved once a quality gut them out when there single coverage QB is under center...which if you watch last years game is exactly what the Colts did and shut us out!
Dak could not beat there press single coverage as he cannot make a lot of throws ACCURATELY!!!!
Now all you Dak-zoids throw your Hate this Hate that but it is what it is....we are 1 QB away from the Superbowl!!!!

Are you literally calling me names? Have you read my history on Dak? I haven't been talking about "hate." I'm hopeful. But, I'd wait to pay him without a discount. I quit calling people names in elementary school.

I disagree with you. I don't believe we've run the schemes we've run because of Dak. I think we ran them because of SL and JG...both of them living in the past. Could I be wrong? Surely. But I'm hopeful that a better scheme will make our QB look even better.

 

[mrmojo]

He has to be more consistent in hitting the open man, getting the ball out quicker and more accurate. If he does this I will know we have our franchise QB, if not I'm hoping we waited on signing him long term .

 

[Scotman]

Troy Aikman's pass attempts from 92 to 95

92 - 473
93 - 392
94 - 361
95 - 465

Smith in that same time frame had amost 400 carries every season outside of 93

I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but it's not remotely close or comparable. And I imagine our clock control in the 90s was far better too.

What are you talking about? The numbers you just posted would be really, really balanced.

 

[Diehardblues]

I support Dak as I do anyone wearing a Star on their helmet.He’s a great leader and has many intangible assets but it doesn’t mean his weaknesses and flaws can’t be critiqued as we would any component of the Dallas Cowboys.

Statistically hes an average to slightly above average Passing QB. And that’s fine if it doesn’t hold us back from winning a championship.

Anything less than that then he will never be held in the same regards as Cowboy QB’s who have unless he leads the league in passing, etc. with HOF personal numbers. That’s reality .

 

[Scotman]

I support Dak as I do anyone wearing a Star on their helmet.He’s a great leader and has many intangible assets but it doesn’t mean his weaknesses and flaws can’t be critiqued as we would any component of the Dallas Cowboys.

Statistically hes an average to slightly above average Passing QB. And that’s fine if it doesn’t hold us back from winning a championship.

Anything less than that then he will never be held in the same regards as Cowboy QB’s who have unless he leads the league in passing, etc. with HOF personal numbers. That’s reality .

That's a fair response.

We need to go get that trophy!

 

[Pantone282C]

I had to take the offseason off of this place because I'm a pragmatist: I go with what works.

Dak Prescott as the Dallas Cowboys quarterback works.

And the numbers prove it.

Numbers are facts, to me at least. Most stats can tell you something in the context of the team... Dak has the stats of a winner. He wins. He's proven that.

So, I get tired of arguing with people who think Dak's a loser — for whatever reason.

That facts are, almost every single statistic you point at proves he's not.

So, what would Dake have to do in 2019 for all of the Dak-hating, fact-denying quarterback know-it-alls to eat crow on Dak being a legit quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys?

I was Romo's first fan. I loved watching him play. But I'm happy to be moving forward with Dak.

What would he have to do to make you happy?

I think Dak has the ability to win the bigger games. Not sure he has had the necessary support (game planning and personnel) along the way. For his part, pocket presence and decision making have suffered during crucial moments, and then he gives us game changing heroics. He has the intangibles. He has to show some consistency in the passing game and improve his pocket awareness. I will always celebrate an NFCCG or SB, but give me a couple of seasons of overall improvement, and I will feel tons better. All QBs have flaws to sort out, and I think he shows that he is working on his. Still, not a bad outcome for a fourth round pick who was most likely destined to be QB3 or PSQ!

 

[mattjames2010]

What are you talking about? The numbers you just posted would be really, really balanced.

Dude, again

Dak Prescott - 526 pass attempts
Ezekiel Elliott - 304 rushing attempts

This is more pass heavy than we were in the 90s

Smith ALONE had nearly 400 carries, this isn't even factoring in backup RBs or Johnson who would get 40 carries a year LOL

 

[jazzcat22]

There’s really not anything that Dak can do to change the minds of the Dak haters. ^^ Their lack of character prevents them from admitting they are wrong and they’ll always find something to complain about.

Right, I was just thinking and was going to post. If they didn't have Dak to hate, they would, and some do, hate on another player, or FO or something.

 

[mattjames2010]

Right, I was just thinking and was going to post. If they didn't have Dak to hate, they would, and some do, hate on another player, or FO or something.

or...or....just imagine this, we DISLIKE Dak as a player because there are legit reasons while we dislike other players at the same time for legitimate reasons

Also, when you're siding with Rockport...on anything, you might want to check yourself. You don't want to go down that path, you should have seen when this dude was unfiltered on the political forum. Want to talk about unhinged? It's a great example.

 

[Brax]

I had to take the offseason off of this place because I'm a pragmatist: I go with what works.

Dak Prescott as the Dallas Cowboys quarterback works.

And the numbers prove it.

Numbers are facts, to me at least. Most stats can tell you something in the context of the team... Dak has the stats of a winner. He wins. He's proven that.

So, I get tired of arguing with people who think Dak's a loser — for whatever reason.

That facts are, almost every single statistic you point at proves he's not.

So, what would Dake have to do in 2019 for all of the Dak-hating, fact-denying quarterback know-it-alls to eat crow on Dak being a legit quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys?

I was Romo's first fan. I loved watching him play. But I'm happy to be moving forward with Dak.

What would he have to do to make you happy?

You title says it all, "Hater" any one who doesn't agree with and expresses any belief that Dak is not a elite QB, and carries the Cowboys in win after win, has superior ball and throwing skills, accuracy beyond compare, better than any Dallas QB that has strapped pads on, and any loss is clearly some other teammates or a coaches fault your a hater. I have no problem with Dak as the average QB who is growing but as for paying him elite $$$$ I do not agree. It is clear this is the Dak fan club post. With the players around Dak on offense, who he needs to elevate his game above average there should be no reason that a SB should not be in the cards as you and other view him as elite, of course this SB talk is par for the course in Dallas the last 15 years or so. If the team finishes 8-8 or worse don't want to hear how it's the OL, RB, WR , TE, refs, HC, OC, QBC, Defense and how they all failed the grossly overpaid Dak.. Another Nice Dak is great post. Hopefully we really get to see the Dak that is great and so many love, not the Dak is average we have seen to this point.

 

[Brax]

sad so sad

 

[CouchCoach]

I know, another Dak thread but at least this one is challenging, took me awhile to figure out who the hell Dak-Deniers is.

And count me among the fact haters, they just get in the way of some fine arguments I've seen here.