Might Dak/WRs/Moore make Zeke expendable?

[kskboys]

sounds more like an opinion poll. elite, to me, isn't always about flashy runs. it's about continually moving the chains. none better than zeke at that. and just like dak, he's been handicapped by linehan and his predictable offense. I see a lot of light at the end of the tunnel. but so do heavily medicated/drugged individuals all the time.

There were way too many times when EZ was met by 2-3 defenders in the backfield right as he got the ball. Very fishy. Possibly a way too predictable O. Possibly giving the opposing D tells. Not sure, but something was most definitely amiss.

 

[cern]

Lots of opinions on Mike Weber. Some think he's solely a support type player, others think he's a full time starter. He shared carries at OH ST, but is a good blocker and competent receiver. Has questions about long speed.

He really does appear to be a steal in the 7th.

i'm no expert on college talent. but usually look at highlight reels of the players we draft. much to llke about young weber.

 

[cern]

There were way too many times when EZ was met by 2-3 defenders in the backfield right as he got the ball. Very fishy. Possibly a way too predictable O. Possibly giving the opposing D tells. Not sure, but something was most definitely amiss.

I blame linehan, and to a certain degree garrett for letting it continue. young moore, I think, is going to be a breath of fresh air.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

sounds more like an opinion poll. elite, to me, isn't always about flashy runs. it's about continually moving the chains. none better than zeke at that. and just like dak, he's been handicapped by linehan and his predictable offense. I see a lot of light at the end of the tunnel. but so do heavily medicated/drugged individuals all the time.

I wish there weren't any RBs better than Zeke at moving the chains, like his rookie season. Sadly that's far from the case now.

Maybe the doubting he's receiving will motivate him to get back to that level.

 

[cern]

I wish there weren't any RBs better than Zeke at moving the chains, like his rookie season. Sadly that's far from the case now.

Maybe the doubting he's receiving will motivate him to get back to that level.

I think the change on oc's will help more than anything else. that and a healthy o-line.

 

[Reid1boys]

sarcasm?

yep, and lots of it.

 

[kskboys]

I wish there weren't any RBs better than Zeke at moving the chains, like his rookie season. Sadly that's far from the case now.

Maybe the doubting he's receiving will motivate him to get back to that level.

278/885/3.2 YPC.

Those were Gurley's numbers in 2016, after a stellar rook year. What happened? Got a quote for you: "Everything seemed set for Gurley to build off his ROTY honor from 15. Instead, and OL that ranked among the worst in the NFL along w/ a group of WR's that struck fear in no one enabled opponents to stack the LOS w/ 8, sometimes 9 defenders. The Rams were helpless to counter, and too often Gurley was being hit behind the LOS and consistently finding to room to run."

It's kinda sad to see all the blame placed on one player when there were most obviously surrounding circumstances.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

The super bowl teams from last year both have a 1st round RB. Hmmmmmm......

One is on his first contract. The other is on his second contract and the team is regretting it big time.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

278/885/3.2 YPC.

Those were Gurley's numbers in 2016, after a stellar rook year. What happened? Got a quote for you: "Everything seemed set for Gurley to build off his ROTY honor from 15. Instead, and OL that ranked among the worst in the NFL along w/ a group of WR's that struck fear in no one enabled opponents to stack the LOS w/ 8, sometimes 9 defenders. The Rams were helpless to counter, and too often Gurley was being hit behind the LOS and consistently finding to room to run."

It's kinda sad to see all the blame placed on one player when there were most obviously surrounding circumstances.

I agree it sucks to place blame on one player, which is never the case for Zeke.

If only it was apples to apples between Gurley and Zeke. You chose to use an example of a player with which you quoted ended up having the worst Oline in the league, while Zeke has had a top 10 run blocking line for all three years according to both NFLOutsiders and PFF.

If his major regression was only due to his Oline that'd be awesome, but it isnt at all.

 

[CouchCoach]

Most DC's can take a RB out of the mix and the goal is to make the opposing OC change. That's what McVay was referring to with being outcoached by Belichick. He made McVay change his calls from taking what he wanted to taking what he was given.

It takes a certain amount of commitment to run the ball. Turner had that even though they could temporarily take him out of it, he knew he would return to it.

Citing these ypc games can be misleading as a lot of those runs are almost wasted plays to keep the DC honest and not let him dictate the play calling. Most teams go into games with pregame goals set on how many plays of each type they're going to run. And most will adhere very closely to that and have a counter assigned to keep track.

One thing we seldom think of but the coaches are constantly thinking about are the other coaches watching to determine tendencies. Odds are Belichick watched enough to know what McVay would do if he shut down his run. And he didn't have a 100% Gurley to attack that type of defense.

I think a lot of the coaches had the book on Garrett and Linehan and will try to build one on Moore. Once they get the tendencies, then it becomes "how do we get him to that point"?

 

[CouchCoach]

One is on his first contract. The other is on his second contract and the team is regretting it big time.

And so will this team, no team needs a 15M RB.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Every RB is in the same situation.

EXACTLY my point.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Most people would be completely shocked at how many games Emmit had w/ a 2-4 YPC. Against good D's, 3 YPC can be a good game.

Last year, before his injury, the much heralded Todd Gurley had the following game logs:

ARI: 19/42/2.2 YPC W
SEA: 22/77/3.5 YPC W
CHI: 11/28/2.5 YPC L

What you're seeing, once again, are people microanalyzing their own player while comparing to the highlights of other players. As you're saying, you must look at the whole pic, and there must be enough carries for a true sample.

And how many receiving yards and total TD's did he have?

 

[CouchCoach]

i'm no expert on college talent. but usually look at highlight reels of the players we draft. much to llke about young weber.

He is a good back and so is Pollard but they're not Elliott level and the question is does a team have to have a back at that level.

I would take Kamara over Elliott but that's only because of how he is used. Switch the backs and I'd probably want Elliott.

Elliott came out of college as one of the best prepared backs for the NFL in history and his college coach used him better as a weapon than Linehan ever did....except in one game against MI.

I may be guilty of wishful thinking but my positive feeling about Moore is he learned some things from Linehan but more importantly learned what not to do. Don't underutilize weapons and in this case, the QB is a weapon as well. Now, whether he gets his orders not to run the 32M man remains to be seen.

Good OC's use the weapons that were given and great OC's max those weapons. The reason Thomas will be the highest paid is because his HC and QB made him that. Same with Hogan in NE and Thielen in MIN. Nobody saw this coming with these 3 WR's except their coaches.

Doesn't matter what they pay Cooper. If they allow him to be taken out of games, they overpaid him.

 

[ItzKelz]

Zeke is expendable. This is with me believing that Zeke is the best RB in the NFL. But with the shelf life being short for RBs and not having the ability to pay everyone; you have to make decisions in the best interest of the team. Historically RB is one of the easiest positions to find capable RBs. This will likely be his last contract with the Cowboys if we decide to extend him and his last chance to get a big pay day. Don't be surprised if Pollard ends up being better between the tackles than expected if that influences what we do with Zeke as well.

 

[OmerV]

Boy is this getting the cart before the horse ...

 

[kskboys]

I agree it sucks to place blame on one player, which is never the case for Zeke.

If only it was apples to apples between Gurley and Zeke. You chose to use an example of a player with which you quoted ended up having the worst Oline in the league, while Zeke has had a top 10 run blocking line for all three years according to both NFLOutsiders and PFF.

If his major regression was only due to his Oline that'd be awesome, but it isnt at all.

That's just it. He hasn't had a regression. It's all in your head!!!!

 

[kskboys]

And how many receiving yards and total TD's did he have?

327 receiving yards, 6 total TD's.

Oooops, that spin didn't work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[CowboyRoy]

327 receiving yards, 6 total TD's.

Oooops, that spin didn't work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

I wish there weren't any RBs better than Zeke at moving the chains, like his rookie season. Sadly that's far from the case now.

Maybe the doubting he's receiving will motivate him to get back to that level.

EZ led the NFL in total 1st downs(95) and 3rd down coversions(26).

Man, this is too easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!