Dak-Deniers/Fact Haters, What Will Dak Have to Do for You to Eat Crow?

[Whirlwin]

I didn't say he can't get better. It's ludicrous that you keep saying that to me in this debate.

All I have said is that the possibility exists, he might not get better and the QB we see now is the QB we get in future years. You seemingly want to believe that's not at all possible.

 

[Sydla]

Consistency youngest starting team in the league to the second round of the playoffs. If that doesn't exceed all expectations. Wow

Expectations for what?

My expectations for a Cowboys QB and the Cowboys team in general is compete for SBs. That's my expectation. Getting to the divisional round and getting beat isn't exceeding expectations at all in my book.

This franchise has failed to meet or exceed expectations for pretty much most of the last two decades.

 

[Whirlwin]

I didn't say he can't get better. It's ludicrous that you keep saying that to me in this debate.

All I have said is that the possibility exists, he might not get better and the QB we see now is the QB we get in future years. You seemingly want to believe that's not at all possible.

So your argument is he might not get better and my argument is I believe he will. And it doesn't even have to get that much better in my opinion

 

[Whirlwin]

Expectations for what?

My expectations for a Cowboys QB and the Cowboys team in general is compete for SBs. That's my expectation. Getting to the divisional round and getting beat isn't exceeding expectations at all in my book.

My expectations are. Keep moving forward understand defense is better see the field quicker. Trust yourself. That's my expectations. And that's only going to come what time playing the game on the field. Same goes for starting coach trying to learn the 2-minute experience.

 

[Whirlwin]

Expectations for what?

My expectations for a Cowboys QB and the Cowboys team in general is compete for SBs. That's my expectation. Getting to the divisional round and getting beat isn't exceeding expectations at all in my book.

This franchise has failed to meet or exceed expectations for pretty much most of the last two decades.

So you think the youngest starting team in the league should go to the Super Bowl the first season.. is that what you're telling me

 

[Sydla]

So your argument is he might not get better and my argument is I believe he will. And it doesn't even have to get that much better in my opinion

My argument is we really can't know for sure what kind of QB he's going to be. He's shown flashes that gives you the impression he could become an upper echelon QB and then shown you things that should give any fan willing to hand him $34MM a year pause.

That's been my entire point from the start. Hence why I have zero problems with the Cowboys if they were to make him play out 2019 under his current contract.

 

[Whirlwin]

How many teams go to the Superbowl and then the season after they don't even make the playoffs. That's how this league has changed they wanted parody. They got it. I think we're one or two seasons away. I expect an NFC championship game this season. If not goodbye Jason. Because scheming is as important as talent. And don't tell me I'm changing and putting the blame on coaching. Cuz I'm not putting the blame on anybody but you have to have both. Future is bright for this team. And I'm paying Prescott before I have to pay him more. Cuz I don't see anything better out there.

 

[Sydla]

So you think the youngest starting team in the league should go to the Super Bowl the first season.. is that what you're telling me

This franchise hasn't gotten past the divisional round in the playoffs in over 20 years. Old team, young team, average aged team........... doesn't matter............. this franchise has failed to meet expectations that a proud franchise should have. Calling last year's run where we ONCE AGAIN failed to even make a championship game, "exceeding expectations" is bizarre to me.

This "young" starting team excuse is just that, an excuse. How long do we have to wait until we are old enough to win?

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Do you realize that every fan who isn't 100 percent sold on Dak isn't a hater, don't you? I see wonderful things in Dak. His dedication and work ethic are second to none. He's great at avoiding the costly mistake and he's skilled at reading defenses. However, he's still weak at the outside throw and the deep ball. He needs to improve his accuracy there. That's an honest criticism, not hate. I very much do hope he improves in those areas. If he does, this team has a good chance at a championship with Dak. If he doesn't, the team's offense will be very limited. That's not being negative. That's not hating Dak. That's being honest. The team also cannot afford to pay him so much that they can't afford other important areas, especially the O-line and the running game. Dak needs that to be successful. These are real concerns, not areas of hate. Teams face tough choices, especially with the salary cap. That's a reality. The team needs to either make it work with Dak or let him go and find a way to get another highly capable quarterback. No one is a perfect soothsayer and knows for certain what will happen. There was a time when fans were uncertain if Morton or Staubach should take the reigns as quarterback. With perfect 20/20 hindsight, it seems obvious. At one point the 49ers had a very good quarterback in Steve DeBerg, but they had also just drafted this Joe Montana kid. Some people thought it would be foolish to not go with a proven QB like DeBerg. Our next Super Bowl QB may be someone we draft. Or it may be Dak. In any event, the team needs to be smart by not overpaying for Dak. The smart move MIGHT be to let him walk -- or we might be able to pay him enough to keep him while retaining enough under the cap to give him the talent around him that he needs to succeed.

You've got fans who've watched this game for many years realizing there are tough choices. That's not hating Dak.

 

[Whirlwin]

Expectations for what?

My expectations for a Cowboys QB and the Cowboys team in general is compete for SBs. That's my expectation. Getting to the divisional round and getting beat isn't exceeding expectations at all in my book.

This franchise has failed to meet or exceed expectations for pretty much most of the last two decades.

I'm not looking at the past. It means nothing to me unless you learn from it. I'm not going to put past failures on this current team

 

[Whirlwin]

This franchise hasn't gotten past the divisional round in the playoffs in over 20 years. Old team, young team, average aged team........... doesn't matter............. this franchise has failed to meet expectations that a proud franchise should have.

This "young" starting team excuse is just that, an excuse. How long do we have to wait until we are old enough to win? Just curious?

So again the youngest starting team in the league third-youngest overall has already surpassed All my expectations cuz I didn't even think they would make the playoffs.. especially the way the season started. Losing your starting tight end wide receiver Center and others

 

[starfan1]

My biggest problem with Prescott is his intermediate throw. Over the linebacker before the corner. But you never hear anybody speak of that because they repeat like parrots

well to be fair we hear that also. In fact we hear alot negative. Im a big Dak fan but hes earned his critics. That said they refuse to look at the positives and there is not adequate reason why. "Dak's pocket presence has to improve this year and his reads faster".

"he dont pass the eye test" or "2017 and half of 2019 he didnt get better" . I think some of it is you see a young guy like Mahomes come in and tear the league up and put up gawdy numbers and carry a team and your like how come dak cant do that? Well there is a difference in their skillset which is why there was a difference in where they were drafted.

All of these are not wrong but there has been equal blame to go around. Oh except for the last QB cause he walked on water and it was always someone else's fault.

Honestly there should be no excuses this year every one is healthy Linehan is gone the receiving crew is upgraded and as long as Zeke is not suspended we should be golden. But watch his every throw will be critiqued.. I also want to see improvement from Collins this year or he can be sent packing Tyron says he feels better than he has in a bit so less holding calls maybe? Oh wait its only the QB's fault I forgot.

 

[Whirlwin]

Do you realize that every fan who isn't 100 percent sold on Dak isn't a hater, don't you? I see wonderful things in Dak. His dedication and work ethic are second to none. He's great at avoiding the costly mistake and he's skilled at reading defenses. However, he's still weak at the outside throw and the deep ball. He needs to improve his accuracy there. That's an honest criticism, not hate. I very much do hope he improves in those areas. If he does, this team has a good chance at a championship with Dak. If he doesn't, the team's offense will be very limited. That's not being negative. That's not hating Dak. That's being honest. The team also cannot afford to pay him so much that they can't afford other important areas, especially the O-line and the running game. Dak needs that to be successful. These are real concerns, not areas of hate. Teams face tough choices, especially with the salary cap. That's a reality. The team needs to either make it work with Dak or let him go and find a way to get another highly capable quarterback. No one is a perfect soothsayer and knows for certain what will happen. There was a time when fans were uncertain if Morton or Staubach should take the reigns as quarterback. With perfect 20/20 hindsight, it seems obvious. At one point the 49ers had a very good quarterback in Steve DeBerg, but they had also just drafted this Joe Montana kid. Some people thought it would be foolish to not go with a proven QB like DeBerg. Our next Super Bowl QB may be someone we draft. Or it may be Dak. In any event, the team needs to be smart by not overpaying for Dak. The smart move MIGHT be to let him walk -- or we might be able to pay him enough to keep him while retaining enough under the cap to give him the talent around him that he needs to succeed.

You've got fans who've watched this game for many years realizing there are tough choices. That's not hating Dak.

Let's talk about Prescott deep ball anybody can put the ball up put air under it and let the wide receiver get it. Prescott throws the ball on a dime on the money. That's way harder than putting it up for grabs. So I disagree about his deep ball

 

[Sydla]

I'm not looking at the past. It means nothing to me unless you learn from it. I'm not going to put past failures on this current team

This current team is still the same team that failed to make it past the divisional round the last two times they were in the playoffs.

Again, if you look at last year's season and say they greatly exceeded expectations, that says a lot about the kind of fan you are............... essentially a fan that doesn't hold their favorite franchise to a high standard. Not sure why that is, but I suspect it's because fans such as yourself struggle to admit reality to yourselves. It's like family members struggling to admit their dad is a drunk. It's too painful to admit and face the realities.

 

[Whirlwin]

This franchise hasn't gotten past the divisional round in the playoffs in over 20 years. Old team, young team, average aged team........... doesn't matter............. this franchise has failed to meet expectations that a proud franchise should have. Calling last year's run where we ONCE AGAIN failed to even make a championship game, "exceeding expectations" is bizarre to me.

This "young" starting team excuse is just that, an excuse. How long do we have to wait until we are old enough to win?

You keep telling me I'm making excuses. I'm trying to explain the experience alone going to the second round of the playoffs for this young team is priceless it's not an excuse it's an accomplishment

 

[Whirlwin]

well to be fair we hear that also. In fact we hear alot negative. Im a big Dak fan but hes earned his critics. That said they refuse to look at the positives and there is not adequate reason why. "Dak's pocket presence has to improve this year and his reads faster".

"he dont pass the eye test" or "2017 and half of 2019 he didnt get better" . I think some of it is you see a young guy like Mahomes come in and tear the league up and put up gawdy numbers and carry a team and your like how come dak cant do that? Well there is a difference in their skillset which is why there was a difference in where they were drafted.

All of these are not wrong but there has been equal blame to go around. Oh except for the last QB cause he walked on water and it was always someone else's fault.

Honestly there should be no excuses this year every one is healthy Linehan is gone the receiving crew is upgraded and as long as Zeke is not suspended we should be golden. But watch his every throw will be critiqued.. I also want to see improvement from Collins this year or he can be sent packing Tyron says he feels better than he has in a bit so less holding calls maybe? Oh wait its only the QB's fault I forgot.

I am not a fan of Mahomes. Patriots gave us the blueprint. He gets flustered up the middle

 

[Sydla]

You keep telling me I'm making excuses. I'm trying to explain the experience alone going to the second round of the playoffs for this young team is priceless it's not an excuse it's an accomplishment

The core of the team also went to the playoffs in 2016 as a top seed............. and again failed to get past the divisional round. Why didn't they learn in 2016?

So no, losing in the divisional round AGAIN in 2018 isn't an accomplishment.

 

[Whirlwin]

This current team is still the same team that failed to make it past the divisional round the last two times they were in the playoffs.

Again, if you look at last year's season and say they greatly exceeded expectations, that says a lot about the kind of fan you are............... essentially a fan that doesn't hold their favorite franchise to a high standard. Not sure why that is, but I suspect it's because fans such as yourself struggle to admit reality to yourselves. It's like family members struggling to admit their dad is a drunk. It's too painful to admit and face the realities.

Yes but it wasn't on the offense. Yes it's a team sport so don't go there. 200 yards plus on the defense in the running game. And we still had a chance to win it. Look you have your opinion I have mine we both gave intelligent reasoning in my opinion. I'm going for the ride I'm enjoying it.

 

[Whirlwin]

The core of the team also went to the playoffs in 2016 as a top seed............. and again failed to get past the divisional round. Why didn't they learn in 2016?

So no, losing in the divisional round AGAIN in 2018 isn't an accomplishment.

Lol

 

[Sydla]

I am not a fan of Mahomes. Patriots gave us the blueprint. He gets flustered up the middle

You keep saying the Patriots gave the blueprint but a quick look of the box score shows that while he had some accuracy issues, he had a QB rating of 117 that game, a QBR of like 75, three TDs to no interceptions and threw for nearly 300 yards. Listening to you, you'd think he was flat out terrible in that game, when in fact, he was not. He was actually pretty good.

The Chiefs lost that game not because of Mahomes but because the Chiefs defense gave up 530 yards of offense and mustered like 12 yards rushing total for the game.