Saquon mania vs. Ezekiel facts

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All you have to do is watch them both run forget about the numbers. Elliott misses opportunities Barkley doesn't takes advantage of everything. New York Giants saquon Barkley against the Eagles best one I've seen in 10 years. He went through like seven different tackles. I knew he was going to be great. My favorite player ever is Troy Polamalu from the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I despise them LOL point being I've Been a Cowboy fan my entire life I will always be that doesn't mean you don't love the NFL. Shayquan Barkley could be the best running back the NFL as ever seen. Yes I understand the importance of that statement because I loved sweetness. Emmett, Campbell. Riggins Dorset I was never a fan of Barry Sanders.


Barkley = Sanders
Zeke = Emmitt

Barkley will not be the best the NFL has seen. Emmitt has that title. Zeke has that potential. Even Emmitt said that himself.
Matter of fact, Emmitt told Garrett in the booth when they watched him dismantle Alabama and then Oregon.
Heck I said it back then, Dallas needs to find a way to draft Zeke.

I think many Dallas fans fawn over other players, just to show they don't want to be called a homer.
Zeke > Barkley
Dak > Wentz
Mahomes > Dak
All 3 unbiased opinions and also still to be determined final results, check back in 5 yard then in 10 years.
 

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So you take away the big plays from a big play player, then compare him to a player who despite leading the league in rush attempts by a large margin had a long of only 41?

Yeah.... that's uh nvm

If you don't think Barkley is already in the same conversation as Zeke then you have some reflecting to do.

Did you actually read the entire posts or already have your mind made up about it.
He didn't say they weren't in the same conversation. Just giving facts that so many others fail to do.
 

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Barkley = Sanders
Zeke = Emmitt

Barkley will not be the best the NFL has seen. Emmitt has that title. Zeke has that potential. Even Emmitt said that himself.
Matter of fact, Emmitt told Garrett in the booth when they watched him dismantle Alabama and then Oregon.
Heck I said it back then, Dallas needs to find a way to draft Zeke.

I think many Dallas fans fawn over other players, just to show they don't want to be called a homer.
Zeke > Barkley
Dak > Wentz
Mahomes > Dak
All 3 unbiased opinions and also still to be determined final results, check back in 5 yard then in 10 years.
Yes that's what some people are saying. I haven't seen Berkeley go sideways or backwards yet to gain yardage so I don't like the comparison
 

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Barkley = Sanders
Zeke = Emmitt

Barkley will not be the best the NFL has seen. Emmitt has that title. Zeke has that potential. Even Emmitt said that himself.
Matter of fact, Emmitt told Garrett in the booth when they watched him dismantle Alabama and then Oregon.
Heck I said it back then, Dallas needs to find a way to draft Zeke.

I think many Dallas fans fawn over other players, just to show they don't want to be called a homer.
Zeke > Barkley
Dak > Wentz
Mahomes > Dak
All 3 unbiased opinions and also still to be determined final results, check back in 5 yard then in 10 years.
I don't care about numbers. In my book sweetness is still number one. And Emmett said so also that seems to give you approval yes I think he will be the best running back in the NFL has ever seen. But A lot has to go into that there's so many scenarios a lot of old school football guys think Eric Dickerson is the best ever. We don't consider numbers because numbers weren't important when I started enjoying the NFL. How can you not love Emmett. The toughest running back I've ever seen. I guess they have their own little Tendencies, all of them. Just have to appreciate it
 

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Listen, I get it, Saquon Barkley is a freak athlete, a really nice guy, and a big-play waiting to happen. I think he proved himself as the best big-play specialist in the NFL last year and I suspect that will continue into 2019. But, as I have been for this very same reason since he was in college, I'm tapping the brakes on crowning him the best running back in the league --as much of the rest of the sports world is already doing.

I did a breakdown after the season, as I had done for their respective college seasons before Barkley went pro, detailing what their stats look like when you subtract their single biggest run or play from each game of a singular season. Just one per contest. The results, factoring in receptions as well, confirmed my observation that Barkley is a back who lives & dies by the big-play --but is not the every-down runner yet (including collegiately) that you expect a "great" to be.

For this missive, I'll focus only on their rushing totals --although it's equally applicable to their receiving stats as well. But I've got a buddy who says, "Zeke is the best guy in the league to just turn around & hand the ball to." I think this breakdown demonstrates that quite clearly.

So, for posterity, Zeke & Saquon's "rushing" totals for 2018 were:


Saquon Barkley -- 261 carries, 1,307 yards, 5.0 yards-per-carry

Ezekiel Elliott -- 304 carries, 1,434 yards, 4.7 yards-per-carry


However, when you subtract their single biggest run from each game (as I've done for the following stats), this comparison turns very different:


Saquon Barkley -- 245 carries, 783 yards, 3.19 yards-per-carry

Ezekiel Elliott -- 289 carries, 1,199 yards, 4.14 yards-per-carry


The disparity is astonishing. Remove just 16 runs from Barkley's season (out of 261) and he drops a *WHOPPING* 524 yards from his total! Conversely, when you take away Zeke's longest run from each game, his total drops only 235 yards.

To put it another way:

Saquon averaged 32.75 yards on only 16 carries of the season.

And he averaged 3.19 yards-per-carry over the remaining 245!

Over the course of the season, without those 16 "long" runs Barkley's average plummets from a robust 5.0 to a paltry 3.19 per-carry (almost 2 full yards less). Zeke, on the other hand, minus his best run from each contest, falls from a 4.7-yard average to a still respectable 4.14 yards-per-carry.

For even greater perspective, if you subtract Elliott's best run from every game he still would have finished 3rd in the league in rushing. When you take away Barkley's longest runs, however, he drops from 2nd in the league in rushing all the way down to 23rd --

That is a precipitous plummet!


But while I believe those stats alone clearly distinguish Zeke as the better runner on a down-to-down basis, by a lot, and likewise demonstrate Barkley as the better big-play back, it's not until it's broken down on a game-by-game basis that the vivid difference in their contributions to their team's offensive success becomes perfectly clear. So we're going to take a more microcosmic look at this parallel to bear out the conclusion that Ezekiel Elliott remains, quite simply, the very best running back in the NFL.


So the way I'll do this for greatest visual appeal is to list their rushing totals per-week MINUS both back's single biggest run from each game. The effect is really quite eye-popping:


Week 1 --

Saquon: 17 carries, 38 yards, 2.23 YPC

Ezekiel: 14 carries, 52 yards, 3.71 YPC


Week 2 --

Saquon: 10 carries, 18 yards, 1.80 YPC

Ezekiel: 16 carries, 59 yards, 3.68 YPC


Week 3 --

Saquon: 16 carries, 58 yards, 3.62 YPC

Ezekiel: 15 carries, 101 yards, 6.73 YPC


Week 4 --

Saquon: 9 carries, 16 yards, 1.77 YPC

Ezekiel: 24 carries, 111 yards, 4.62 YPC


Week 5 --

Saquon: 14 carries, 18 yards, 1.28 YPC

Ezekiel: 19 carries, 40 yards, 2.10 YPC


Week 6 --

Saquon: 12 carries, 80 yards, 6.66 YPC

Ezekiel: 23 carries, 85 yards, 3.69 YPC


Week 7 --

Saquon: 13 carries, 28 yards, 2.15 YPC

Ezekiel: 14 carries, 27 yards, 1.92 YPC


Week 8 --

Saquon: 12 carries, 29 yards, 2.41 YPC

Ezekiel: 16 carries, 44 yards, 2.75 YPC


Week 9 --

Saquon: 19 carries, 49 yards, 2.57 YPC

Ezekiel: 18 carries, 116 yards, 6.44 YPC


Week 10 --

Saquon: 26 carries, 119 yards, 4.57 YPC

Ezekiel: 22 carries, 99 yards, 4.50 YPC


Week 11 --

Saquon: 12 carries, 50 yards, 4.16 YPC

Ezekiel: 25 carries, 105 yards, 4.20 YPC


Week 12 --

Saquon: 23 carries, 96 yards, 4.17 YPC

Ezekiel: 22 carries, 54 yards, 2.45 YPC


Week 13 --

Saquon: 13 carries, 92 yards, 7.07 YPC

Ezekiel: 27 carries, 93 yards, 3.44 YPC


Week 14 --

Saquon: 13 carries, 14 yards, 1.07 YPC

Ezekiel: 17 carries, 63 yards, 3.70 YPC


Week 15 --

Saquon: 20 carries, 37 yards, 1.85 YPC

Ezekiel: 17 carries, 68 yards, 4.00 YPC


Week 16 --

Saquon: 16 carries, 41 yards, 2.56 YPC

Ezekiel: Did-Not-Play


So out of 15 games, side-by-side, subtracting their single longest runs from each contest, Zeke had a higher yards-per-carry than Saquon in 10 of those contests, outpacing Barkley by an average of: 1.48, 1.88, 3.11, 2.85, 0.82, 0.34, 3.87, 0.04, 2.63, and 2.16 yards-per-carry.

Accumulatively, those 10 games amount to --


Saquon: 142 carries, 469 yards, 3.30 YPC

Ezekiel: 168 carries, 759 yards, 4.51 YPC


Minus their one longest run from each of those games, it's clear that Zeke was the far more productive, effective, consistent back across 2/3rds of the season and a vaster number of carries. Conversely, in the 5 games Barkley outdid Zeke, the stats are:


Saquon: 87 carries, 415 yards, 4.77 YPC

Ezekiel: 108 carries, 358 yards, 3.61 YPC


So for 5 games out of the season, minus their big runs, Saquon averaged 1.16 yards-per-carry more than Zeke --out-rushing him by 57 yards across those 5 games.

For 10 games out of the season, minus their big runs, Zeke averaged 1.20 yards-per-carry more than Saquon --out-rushing him by 290 yards across those 10 games.

Over the course of the season, minus their big runs, that amounts to 457 more rushing yards for Zeke and nearly 1 full yard-per-carry (0.95) greater.


If we pit their 16th game of the season against one another (Week 16 for Saquon, Week 1 of the Playoffs for Zeke), again, subtracting their single biggest run from each game --


Saquon: 16 carries, 41 yards, 2.56 YPC

Ezekiel: 25 carries, 93 yards, 3.72 YPC


Consistently, Elliott demonstrates that he is the more productive runner, by quite a bit, across the far broader number and circumstances of their respective carries. Barkley may indeed be the better home-run hitter. But there's no question that Zeke is out there getting the dirty yards, the needed yards, Saquon is leaving on the field; and the fortunes of their teams in 2018 each reflect the natural result of that:


RECORDS --

Cowboys: 10-6

Giants: 5-11


This is also assessed in the fact that Zeke picked up 73 first-downs, to Saquon's 50, in one fewer game.

That's 69 more downs of offense that Zeke's legs provided for his team than Barkley did for his.


Saquon had 5 more runs of 20+ yards than Zeke (16-to-11) & 6 more runs of 40+ yards (7-to-1).

Which do you think a coach who wants to win would prefer, 11 more "explosive" plays on the season, or 69 more offensive snaps? And this whole query instantly makes me think of Emmitt Smith vs. Barry Sanders, because like I predicted before the season, the Zeke/Saquon rivalry is shaping up very much like the old debate between those greats!

Saquon, like Sanders (his idol), is the best big-play threat in the league.

Ezekiel, like Emmitt, is the best running back in the league.


Of course, this contest isn't remotely over. But in all the metrics we can currently assess, college & the pros, this is who these backs have proven themselves to be, consistently. It's extraordinary how much their college production mirrors their NFL performances. I strongly suspect this will continue, and I don't think we've seen either of their bests.

Athletically, this season should display the very best Ezekiel Elliott the world has ever seen. He is now a young 23 years old and is likely fully grown. Word is he's in the best shape of his life, has gone from 225lbs. in his rookie year (when he was the youngest player in the league) to a manly 230lbs. this offseason.

I believe we're about to see the biggest, strongest, and fastest Ezekiel Elliott there has ever been.

And it might just be a perfect storm regarding the physical maturation of his ability being paired with all the talent surrounding him. There's no question in my mind that Zeke is coming into the best situation for a running back in the NFL to produce at a big-time level. Barkley is certain to have more than 15-minutes of fame. But when, not if, Elliott leads the NFL in rushing again, maybe to unprecedented degrees, people are going to have to start acknowledging that #21 is the #1 runner in the league.


--yeah, even if Barkley has more "big-plays" on the season.

Take those away, and Barkley is over 40% less of a running back.

Kid's got to show me some things before he's in the same breath with Zeke...



:starspin:
Very similar arguments when it was Emmitt vs Bary. Hope these two young studs are around a good while to keep the water cooler empty on Monday.
 

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Yes that's what some people are saying. I haven't seen Berkeley go sideways or backwards yet to gain yardage so I don't like the comparison

I don't care about numbers. In my book sweetness is still number one. And Emmett said so also that seems to give you approval yes I think he will be the best running back in the NFL has ever seen. But A lot has to go into that there's so many scenarios a lot of old school football guys think Eric Dickerson is the best ever. We don't consider numbers because numbers weren't important when I started enjoying the NFL. How can you not love Emmett. The toughest running back I've ever seen

So you base this on just the eye test and watching them? Numbers mean nothing?
That is like saying Garrett is the best coach ever because the team plays hard and does not quit. :laugh:

Numbers did not seem important at the time when I started watching them either. Most likely because there were no numbers to be seen 24/7 like now.
Heck, now they make up new stat lines every day. Back then you were lucky to see a list of the top 10.

The local papers if not in a NFL city, hardly had stat lines. I use to wait to get the sporting news each week to look at leaders, in baseball as well as football, or any sport.
But if one could look at stats back then as they are out there today, every fan would if they were made available.

And Emmitt is my favorite player of all time.
 

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I don't see how removing the players best runs from a game shows his true worth.
You don't you think he's a workhorse like Zeke? How much better would Barkley's overall numbers look behind our o-line instead of his? If he had better blocking he'd have better YPG numbers and he'd be moving the sticks more too.

IMHO, the truth is Barkley is the better RB. He's faster, more athletic and most importantly he's not a knucklehead. He's a far better person on and off the field.
 

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So you base this on just the eye test and watching them? Numbers mean nothing?
That is like saying Garrett is the best coach ever because the team plays hard and does not quit. :laugh:

Numbers did not seem important at the time when I started watching them either. Most likely because there were no numbers to be seen 24/7 like now.
Heck, now they make up new stat lines every day. Back then you were lucky to see a list of the top 10.

The local papers if not in a NFL city, hardly had stat lines. I use to wait to get the sporting news each week to look at leaders, in baseball as well as football, or any sport.
But if one could look at stats back then as they are out there today, every fan would if they were made available.

And Emmitt is my favorite player of all time.
I train workout with a two-time Super Bowl running back. Yeah I can use my eyes. Try it sometime my problem with Elliot is he's not focused. He's too busy saying feed me Seymour feed me
 

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So you base this on just the eye test and watching them? Numbers mean nothing?
That is like saying Garrett is the best coach ever because the team plays hard and does not quit. :laugh:

Numbers did not seem important at the time when I started watching them either. Most likely because there were no numbers to be seen 24/7 like now.
Heck, now they make up new stat lines every day. Back then you were lucky to see a list of the top 10.

The local papers if not in a NFL city, hardly had stat lines. I use to wait to get the sporting news each week to look at leaders, in baseball as well as football, or any sport.
But if one could look at stats back then as they are out there today, every fan would if they were made available.

And Emmitt is my favorite player of all time.
That's right they make up new stats for everything so how do you not understand seeing with your eyes is believing. That kind of baffles me
 

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Except Barkley runs through the tackles just fine. The real conclusion you should be drawing is that Zeke would probably average about 2 yards per carry getting hit repeatedly in the backfield by the bumbling Giants offensive line.

Barkley is not a very good between the tackles runner.

He's a 230 pound back that runs like he is 190 most of the time.

He was that way in college and for 1 year he was that way in the pro's. He's an all or nothing player.

Great Fantasy Football player though. Especially with NYG forcing him the ball over and over through the air.
 

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I train workout with a two-time Super Bowl running back. Yeah I can use my eyes. Try it sometime my problem with Elliot is he's not focused. He's too busy saying feed me Seymour feed me

Just because you train with a RB means nothin to me. Is that supposed to validate what you are saying? As my years of watching means nothing?
And I do use my eyes as well. Don't assume I don't with saying "try it".

I disagree, about Zeke not being focused, you can't tell that, only can think it. I never thought he was not focused. It is a matter of opinion based on like or dislike of a player. Fact is the players themselves say how focused Zeke is.
The feed me thing is him getting into the game, don't look at it as being selfish. He understands he is not going to get the ball every play.
Is it irritating at times, yes it is. Bt that is the way of the NFL now from many players.

I am just glad we have players to show some emotion on the field as Michael Irvin did. And now that Jaylon and LVE are getting into it, I have no problem with it. Some do and that is their right.
 

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You are missing the point of what he is showing. Has nothing to do with the eye test and ones opinions.
What he is showing and I test of the exact same thing you're going to have to clarify that because it just didn't make sense
 

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Just because you train with a RB means nothin to me. Is that supposed to validate what you are saying? As my years of watching means nothing?
And I do use my eyes as well. Don't assume I don't with saying "try it".

I disagree, about Zeke not being focused, you can't tell that, only can think it. I never thought he was not focused. It is a matter of opinion based on like or dislike of a player. Fact is the players themselves say how focused Zeke is.
The feed me thing is him getting into the game, don't look at it as being selfish. He understands he is not going to get the ball every play.
Is it irritating at times, yes it is. Bt that is the way of the NFL now from many players.

I am just glad we have players to show some emotion on the field as Michael Irvin did. And now that Jaylon and LVE are getting into it, I have no problem with it. Some do and that is their right.
Call you like to use other people as a barometer so I thought I would throw that in. Are you not looking at the entire picture and how this went forward. Come on my cowboy brother stop it. I know exactly what you're saying try to listen to what I'm saying I don't care if you don't agree just listen
 

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Keel Elliott is not a focused football player. He always has something going on besides football he misses blocks takes wrong angles he takes himself out of the game way more than I appreciate. Although I understand why he does. I still don't like it be a decoy. Yes he's the best running back for yards after contact. That's all in my opinion kid until he gets his head back on straight. Twice he could already into the endzone last season and failed
 

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Listen, I get it, Saquon Barkley is a freak athlete, a really nice guy, and a big-play waiting to happen. I think he proved himself as the best big-play specialist in the NFL last year and I suspect that will continue into 2019. But, as I have been for this very same reason since he was in college, I'm tapping the brakes on crowning him the best running back in the league --as much of the rest of the sports world is already doing.

I did a breakdown after the season, as I had done for their respective college seasons before Barkley went pro, detailing what their stats look like when you subtract their single biggest run or play from each game of a singular season. Just one per contest. The results, factoring in receptions as well, confirmed my observation that Barkley is a back who lives & dies by the big-play --but is not the every-down runner yet (including collegiately) that you expect a "great" to be.

For this missive, I'll focus only on their rushing totals --although it's equally applicable to their receiving stats as well. But I've got a buddy who says, "Zeke is the best guy in the league to just turn around & hand the ball to." I think this breakdown demonstrates that quite clearly.

So, for posterity, Zeke & Saquon's "rushing" totals for 2018 were:


Saquon Barkley -- 261 carries, 1,307 yards, 5.0 yards-per-carry

Ezekiel Elliott -- 304 carries, 1,434 yards, 4.7 yards-per-carry


However, when you subtract their single biggest run from each game (as I've done for the following stats), this comparison turns very different:


Saquon Barkley -- 245 carries, 783 yards, 3.19 yards-per-carry

Ezekiel Elliott -- 289 carries, 1,199 yards, 4.14 yards-per-carry


The disparity is astonishing. Remove just 16 runs from Barkley's season (out of 261) and he drops a *WHOPPING* 524 yards from his total! Conversely, when you take away Zeke's longest run from each game, his total drops only 235 yards.

To put it another way:

Saquon averaged 32.75 yards on only 16 carries of the season.

And he averaged 3.19 yards-per-carry over the remaining 245!

Over the course of the season, without those 16 "long" runs Barkley's average plummets from a robust 5.0 to a paltry 3.19 per-carry (almost 2 full yards less). Zeke, on the other hand, minus his best run from each contest, falls from a 4.7-yard average to a still respectable 4.14 yards-per-carry.

For even greater perspective, if you subtract Elliott's best run from every game he still would have finished 3rd in the league in rushing. When you take away Barkley's longest runs, however, he drops from 2nd in the league in rushing all the way down to 23rd --

That is a precipitous plummet!


But while I believe those stats alone clearly distinguish Zeke as the better runner on a down-to-down basis, by a lot, and likewise demonstrate Barkley as the better big-play back, it's not until it's broken down on a game-by-game basis that the vivid difference in their contributions to their team's offensive success becomes perfectly clear. So we're going to take a more microcosmic look at this parallel to bear out the conclusion that Ezekiel Elliott remains, quite simply, the very best running back in the NFL.


So the way I'll do this for greatest visual appeal is to list their rushing totals per-week MINUS both back's single biggest run from each game. The effect is really quite eye-popping:


Week 1 --

Saquon: 17 carries, 38 yards, 2.23 YPC

Ezekiel: 14 carries, 52 yards, 3.71 YPC


Week 2 --

Saquon: 10 carries, 18 yards, 1.80 YPC

Ezekiel: 16 carries, 59 yards, 3.68 YPC


Week 3 --

Saquon: 16 carries, 58 yards, 3.62 YPC

Ezekiel: 15 carries, 101 yards, 6.73 YPC


Week 4 --

Saquon: 9 carries, 16 yards, 1.77 YPC

Ezekiel: 24 carries, 111 yards, 4.62 YPC


Week 5 --

Saquon: 14 carries, 18 yards, 1.28 YPC

Ezekiel: 19 carries, 40 yards, 2.10 YPC


Week 6 --

Saquon: 12 carries, 80 yards, 6.66 YPC

Ezekiel: 23 carries, 85 yards, 3.69 YPC


Week 7 --

Saquon: 13 carries, 28 yards, 2.15 YPC

Ezekiel: 14 carries, 27 yards, 1.92 YPC


Week 8 --

Saquon: 12 carries, 29 yards, 2.41 YPC

Ezekiel: 16 carries, 44 yards, 2.75 YPC


Week 9 --

Saquon: 19 carries, 49 yards, 2.57 YPC

Ezekiel: 18 carries, 116 yards, 6.44 YPC


Week 10 --

Saquon: 26 carries, 119 yards, 4.57 YPC

Ezekiel: 22 carries, 99 yards, 4.50 YPC


Week 11 --

Saquon: 12 carries, 50 yards, 4.16 YPC

Ezekiel: 25 carries, 105 yards, 4.20 YPC


Week 12 --

Saquon: 23 carries, 96 yards, 4.17 YPC

Ezekiel: 22 carries, 54 yards, 2.45 YPC


Week 13 --

Saquon: 13 carries, 92 yards, 7.07 YPC

Ezekiel: 27 carries, 93 yards, 3.44 YPC


Week 14 --

Saquon: 13 carries, 14 yards, 1.07 YPC

Ezekiel: 17 carries, 63 yards, 3.70 YPC


Week 15 --

Saquon: 20 carries, 37 yards, 1.85 YPC

Ezekiel: 17 carries, 68 yards, 4.00 YPC


Week 16 --

Saquon: 16 carries, 41 yards, 2.56 YPC

Ezekiel: Did-Not-Play


So out of 15 games, side-by-side, subtracting their single longest runs from each contest, Zeke had a higher yards-per-carry than Saquon in 10 of those contests, outpacing Barkley by an average of: 1.48, 1.88, 3.11, 2.85, 0.82, 0.34, 3.87, 0.04, 2.63, and 2.16 yards-per-carry.

Accumulatively, those 10 games amount to --


Saquon: 142 carries, 469 yards, 3.30 YPC

Ezekiel: 168 carries, 759 yards, 4.51 YPC


Minus their one longest run from each of those games, it's clear that Zeke was the far more productive, effective, consistent back across 2/3rds of the season and a vaster number of carries. Conversely, in the 5 games Barkley outdid Zeke, the stats are:


Saquon: 87 carries, 415 yards, 4.77 YPC

Ezekiel: 108 carries, 358 yards, 3.61 YPC


So for 5 games out of the season, minus their big runs, Saquon averaged 1.16 yards-per-carry more than Zeke --out-rushing him by 57 yards across those 5 games.

For 10 games out of the season, minus their big runs, Zeke averaged 1.20 yards-per-carry more than Saquon --out-rushing him by 290 yards across those 10 games.

Over the course of the season, minus their big runs, that amounts to 457 more rushing yards for Zeke and nearly 1 full yard-per-carry (0.95) greater.


If we pit their 16th game of the season against one another (Week 16 for Saquon, Week 1 of the Playoffs for Zeke), again, subtracting their single biggest run from each game --


Saquon: 16 carries, 41 yards, 2.56 YPC

Ezekiel: 25 carries, 93 yards, 3.72 YPC


Consistently, Elliott demonstrates that he is the more productive runner, by quite a bit, across the far broader number and circumstances of their respective carries. Barkley may indeed be the better home-run hitter. But there's no question that Zeke is out there getting the dirty yards, the needed yards, Saquon is leaving on the field; and the fortunes of their teams in 2018 each reflect the natural result of that:


RECORDS --

Cowboys: 10-6

Giants: 5-11


This is also assessed in the fact that Zeke picked up 73 first-downs, to Saquon's 50, in one fewer game.

That's 69 more downs of offense that Zeke's legs provided for his team than Barkley did for his.


Saquon had 5 more runs of 20+ yards than Zeke (16-to-11) & 6 more runs of 40+ yards (7-to-1).

Which do you think a coach who wants to win would prefer, 11 more "explosive" plays on the season, or 69 more offensive snaps? And this whole query instantly makes me think of Emmitt Smith vs. Barry Sanders, because like I predicted before the season, the Zeke/Saquon rivalry is shaping up very much like the old debate between those greats!

Saquon, like Sanders (his idol), is the best big-play threat in the league.

Ezekiel, like Emmitt, is the best running back in the league.


Of course, this contest isn't remotely over. But in all the metrics we can currently assess, college & the pros, this is who these backs have proven themselves to be, consistently. It's extraordinary how much their college production mirrors their NFL performances. I strongly suspect this will continue, and I don't think we've seen either of their bests.

Athletically, this season should display the very best Ezekiel Elliott the world has ever seen. He is now a young 23 years old and is likely fully grown. Word is he's in the best shape of his life, has gone from 225lbs. in his rookie year (when he was the youngest player in the league) to a manly 230lbs. this offseason.

I believe we're about to see the biggest, strongest, and fastest Ezekiel Elliott there has ever been.

And it might just be a perfect storm regarding the physical maturation of his ability being paired with all the talent surrounding him. There's no question in my mind that Zeke is coming into the best situation for a running back in the NFL to produce at a big-time level. Barkley is certain to have more than 15-minutes of fame. But when, not if, Elliott leads the NFL in rushing again, maybe to unprecedented degrees, people are going to have to start acknowledging that #21 is the #1 runner in the league.


--yeah, even if Barkley has more "big-plays" on the season.

Take those away, and Barkley is over 40% less of a running back.

Kid's got to show me some things before he's in the same breath with Zeke...



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first, great job doing the analysis, but man, that's way too much statistics..

I think this is the Emmitt vs. Barry debate or similar. Emmitt wasn't a home run hitter, but consistent. you knew you give him the ball and he gets positive yards...barry, could go the distance, but he also could get tackled behind the LOS. so which one do you want? I always like Emmitt because I know what I am getting at every snap. I don't have to guess. its consistency. what you pointed out, is 16 carries, but the other ones were not as good. is home run ability important? yes, but consistency is much more important in my opinion.

of course, all the media like barry then and probably squan now. barry and barkely create high light reels for the news to talk about...who cares about a guys who gains 3.7 yards a carry consistently.....that's boring. that's not news worthy
 

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Did you actually read the entire posts or already have your mind made up about it.
He didn't say they weren't in the same conversation. Just giving facts that so many others fail to do.

Did you read it Jazz?

His last sentence "this kid has to show me things before he's mentioned in the same breathe as Zeke"
 

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It is if you are trying to say one RB is better or even more “consistent” than the other.
If you are trying to compare a team’s running game to another team’s running game, then maybe there’s some value there (not likely).
I also don’t consider Barkley’s long runs to be outliers anyway.

While I think it is a legitimate argument for ball control and effectiveness of a RB to take out some outliers, I know that big plays also win games more than ball control does.

That said, I think Zeke had a lot more big plays in his rookie year as well.

We will see how Saquon fares with a year of defenses preparing for him to take away the plays he runs best. If he keeps up those huge plays then that is a difference maker between the 2.

Right now, it is year 1.

In Emmitt's day, ball control won games, with the team the Cowboys had. He was much better for that team than Barry would have been. You could not say that about Zeke over Saquon right now.
 
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