Dak Gets No Respect Again

[Coy]

Dak is nowhere close to being an NFL MVP, common man.

 

[pansophy]

Patrick Mahomes is favored to repeat the NFL's MVP, per the Westgate SuperBook in Las Vegas.

Mahomes leads the pack with 4-1 odds.

The Kansas City Chiefs quarterback is followed 13 quarterbacks:

Aaron Rodgers - 8/1
Andrew Luck - 8/1
Carson Wentz - 10/1
Drew Brees - 10/1
Tom Brady - 12/1
Philip Rivers - 14/1
Russell Wilson - 14/1
Ben Roethlisberger - 25/1
Matt Ryan - 25/1
Baker Mayfield - 25/1
Jared Goff - 60/1
Cam Newton - 60/1
Matthew Stafford - 80/1

I'm not saying that Dak should be Top 10 on this list, but look at some of these names...Matt "I failed with a 25 point lead" Ryan, Cam "Thrown it up for grabs" Newton, and Matt "I never won anything and I'm overrated" Stafford? Ya think Dak could get at least 50-1 odds here? Oh yeah, more Media love for that guy in Philly too.

Romo lead the league in QBR in 2014 and got 1 vote in the MVP race while Rodgers got the rest of the votes. Hard to win the MVP race in a run first offense and Dak doesn’t throw a lot of TDs either compared to Romo. So even if Dak proves to be all we want him to be this year it’s unlikely he can put up MVP numbers on this offense.

 

[pansophy]

I would not put dak as a league mvp either but I do agree that newton and Stafford have no business on this list.

They do if you consider who has the highest percentage of plays going through the QB as a key factor. Maybe they are so-so QBs and hence long odds to win, but they are in situations that offer them the opportunity to win if they had an incredible year.

How can Dak win if the offense goes through the running game?

 

[KJJ]

Romo lead the league in QBR in 2014 and got 1 vote in the MVP race while Rodgers got the rest of the votes. Hard to win the MVP race in a run first offense and Dak doesn’t throw a lot of TDs either compared to Romo. So even if Dak proves to be all we want him to be this year it’s unlikely he can put up MVP numbers on this offense.

Romo only got one vote because Murray who also got one vote had over 1800 yards rushing which led the league. Many saw Murray as being more valuable that season than Romo. Murray’s performance took a lot of pressure off Romo and he didn’t have to do as much that season. Romo passed for just over 3700 yards that season which was the lowest passing yard total of his career in which he played at least 15 games. The Cowboys leaned on the run in 2014. We have the same type of offense with Zeke. We lean on him which takes a lot of pressure off Dak. Dak doesn’t have to pass for over 4000 yards a season and 30+ touchdowns having a dynamic runner in the backfield. To win the MVP as a QB you have to pretty much carry your team. A QB has to put up big passing numbers. Having Zeke, Dak doesn’t have to put up big passing numbers.

 

[KJJ]

Troy Aikman was never in the running for MVP with Emmitt in the backfield. Troy wouldn’t have been included on an MVP list back in the day. He never had the numbers. Our offense during the 90s revolved around Emmitt. Emmitt was our MVP and won league MVP in 93.

 

[Brax]

Cooper had 40 yds in that Rams game.

hater ( just kidding)

 

[KJJ]

Goff is way down that list despite just leading his team to the Super Bowl because the Rams are a run-based team that ranked 3rd in rushing last season. We ranked ahead of the Rams last year in passing. When you have a dynamic runner in the backfield like the Rams and Cowboys do who puts up yards and touchdowns it takes a lot of pressure off the QB. Favre, Manning and Rodgers won a number of MVPs because their offenses revolved around them. They carried their teams. Everyone sees the type of offense the Cowboys have with Zeke in the backfield and realize that Dak doesn’t have to put up huge numbers for us to win. He has to play steady and make plays in the 4th quarter. Only Brady has won more games the past three seasons than Dak. Some are making too big a deal about Dak not being on that list.

 

[KJJ]

Rothlisberger and Russell Wilson wouldn’t have been on that list early in their career’s because they weren’t putting up big enough numbers. Rothlisberger didn’t have his first 4000 yard season until his 7th year. Wilson who was looked at as an unproductive game manager his first few seasons with beast mode didn’t have his first 4000 yard season until his 4th year.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

LOL so average QBs put up 83 TD vs 27 INT and a 32-16 record over 3 years?

I noticed you didn't mention his yards or attempt numbers.

He's a caretaker. The type of guy you usually don't sign to what at the time will be a top 5 contract.

No that's not an acknowledgement he's a top 5 player by management. But the players that sign top 5 contracts at any time in their careers usually don't have the biggest thing in their favor being their team's won loss record.

 

[pansophy]

Romo only got one vote because Murray who also got one vote had over 1800 yards rushing which led the league. Many saw Murray as being more valuable that season than Romo. Murray’s performance took a lot of pressure off Romo and he didn’t have to do as much that season. Romo passed for just over 3700 yards that season which was the lowest passing yard total of his career in which he played at least 15 games. The Cowboys leaned on the run in 2014. We have the same type of offense with Zeke. We lean on him which takes a lot of pressure off Dak. Dak doesn’t have to pass for over 4000 yards a season and 30+ touchdowns having a dynamic runner in the backfield. To win the MVP as a QB you have to pretty much carry your team. A QB has to put up big passing numbers. Having Zeke, Dak doesn’t have to put up big passing numbers.

My point exactly.

 

[Nav22]

I noticed you didn't mention his yards or attempt numbers.

He's a caretaker. The type of guy you usually don't sign to what at the time will be a top 5 contract.

No that's not an acknowledgement he's a top 5 player by management. But the players that sign top 5 contracts at any time in their careers usually don't have the biggest thing in their favor being their team's won loss record.

His yards PER attempt numbers are very good, and they were elite after the Cooper trade last year. His QBR since 2016 is better than Carson Wentz’s as well, and we saw what Wentz just got paid.

This is the hardest position to play in all of sports. It’s funny how many of you are convinced that raw numbers are more important than efficiency and putting your team in position to win.

We have a balanced offense with a top-5 RB and one of the better OLs in football, so OF COURSE the QB isn’t going to air it out 50 times/game. If he does, that means we’re behind 20+ Pts early.

W-L record might not be the biggest thing in Dak’s favor anyways; I’d say it’s his ability to deliver in huge, clutch moments over and over and over again. Wentz, on the other hand, has been a complete and total bum in clutch moments.

 

[KJJ]

Dak has the intangibles to be a league MVP he just needs the numbers.

 

[KJJ]

Dak is nowhere close to being an NFL MVP, common man.

I wouldn’t go as far as to say he’s nowhere close because he’s been very clutch in the fourth quarter with games on the line. Zeke accounts for too much of our offense for Dak to be in MVP consideration right now. Dak has to show he can play well without Zeke if we were to lose him for a period of time. He didn’t play well without Zeke in 2017 and everyone keeps looking back at that.

 

[KJJ]

Rothlisberger ended up passing for more yards than Mahomes did last season because he had a lot more on his plate with Bell sitting out. You’re not going to find many QBs who have passed for a ton of yards that had a great runner in the backfield.

 

[coult44]

Meh... all of the QB's mentioned are better than Dak. Wanna bet that Mayfield wins a super bowl or at least reaches one and Dak never gets close?

Is that what you hope? Just asking...

 

[silvrNblue]

"He shouldn't have put us in position to need a clutch touchdown!"

Pretty sure, Dak, isn't on the defense, but perhaps I am wrong and need to fact check that. One thing I am sure of, it's the defense that allows the other team to score points so........

 

[blueblood70]

Patrick Mahomes is favored to repeat the NFL's MVP, per the Westgate SuperBook in Las Vegas.

Mahomes leads the pack with 4-1 odds.

The Kansas City Chiefs quarterback is followed 13 quarterbacks:

Aaron Rodgers - 8/1
Andrew Luck - 8/1
Carson Wentz - 10/1
Drew Brees - 10/1
Tom Brady - 12/1
Philip Rivers - 14/1
Russell Wilson - 14/1
Ben Roethlisberger - 25/1
Matt Ryan - 25/1
Baker Mayfield - 25/1
Jared Goff - 60/1
Cam Newton - 60/1
Matthew Stafford - 80/1

I'm not saying that Dak should be Top 10 on this list, but look at some of these names...Matt "I failed with a 25 point lead" Ryan, Cam "Thrown it up for grabs" Newton, and Matt "I never won anything and I'm overrated" Stafford? Ya think Dak could get at least 50-1 odds here? Oh yeah, more Media love for that guy in Philly too.

hard to win MVP at QB in a run heavy offense and the way our Passing offense looks something like a HS playbook up to this point.. we arent lighting up the passing numbers so they are right..although im thinking maybe Cam doesnt belong and Brees slipped big time last year and his arm looked weak in the playoffs so they are both off my list..Most of that list use 3-4 wr patterns and throw a lot more..MVP is more about stats in the RS and well Dak isnt exactly lighting it up in Passing stats..Romo had shot twice but those were his best years that happen to be Payton and Bradys record setting years, so again this offense can be offensive )

 

[DandyDon52]

well mvp is more than just throwing passes?? or it should be lol
But this is where Vegas since they think so low of Dak, should give odds on him too. like 5000 to 1
Then I could bet 10 and win 50,000~!

 

[blueblood70]

well mvp is more than just throwing passes?? or it should be lol
But this is where Vegas since they think so low of Dak, should give odds on him too. like 5000 to 1
Then I could bet 10 and win 50,000~!

true but its not like dak is doing the great year cam had where he had tons of Running TDs to go with Passing TDs and simply taking over games by himself, been the opposite of that IMO and really no big deal about MVP , why worry about it..TEAM wins lets build team and go smash opponents with no MVPs its fan thing really.p=

 

[Coy]

I wouldn’t go as far as to say he’s nowhere close because he’s been very clutch in the fourth quarter with games on the line. Zeke accounts for too much of our offense for Dak to be in MVP consideration right now. Dak has to show he can play well without Zeke if we were to lose him for a period of time. He didn’t play well without Zeke in 2017 and everyone keeps looking back at that.

Well Vegas has him behind Trubisky, that should tell you how far off he is, he`s not even the favorite in his team (Zeke is) let alone the NFL.

Not a knock on Dak, it`s just that he WONT be the MVP

https://mybookie.ag/sportsbook/nfl/mvp/