Lame Duck Coach

[Diehardblues]

Thats my point. Why would anyone with a sack allow himself to become a puppet?

Puppets is all Jerry wants now. Who’s been a better puppet than Garrett?

 

[OmerV]

Thats my point. Why would anyone with a sack allow himself to become a puppet?

I imagine Garrett doesn’t see himself that way. Sure he knows he has less autonomy than most coaches, but on game day and on the practice field and in the film room and team sessions he is the coach like other coaches.

Even those players that grumble about Garrett when they leave Dallas don’t argue he is Jerry’s puppet. Typically they are complimentary of Jerry, and they view their problems as the result of Garrett’s decisions.

 

[Mannix]

--------It's ironic that Aflac doesn't cover lame duck coaches

You really proud of that one?

 

[Diehardblues]

I imagine Garrett doesn’t see himself that way. Sure he knows he has less autonomy than most coaches, but on game day and on the practice field and in the film room and team sessions he is the coach like other coaches.

Even those players that grumble about Garrett when they leave Dallas don’t argue he is Jerry’s puppet. Typically they are complimentary of Jerry, and they view their problems as the result of Garrett’s decisions.

Yep..,All part of Jerry’s idea of a puppet HC which provides Jerry the opportunity to receive more credit if they have success than he had with Jimmy. The Perfect Puppet.

Garrett is a product of the dysfunctional organization whose greatest attribute is his influence over the chaotic ownership holding together the team throughout all of the distractions Jerry’s mgmt style creates.

 

[Diehardblues]

It still amazes me how the Perfect Puppet won a Coach of the Year. How does that happen?

That’s not the kind of respect from the league and his peers Jerry wants in his puppet HC. God forbid if we win a championship again and Jerry doesn’t receive the credit he’s been pursuing since he parted ways with Jimmy.

Remember Jerry didn’t appreciate a HC who delivered back to back Super Bowls because he didn’t receive more credit for building that championship team. He didn’t even get credit for the one after Jimmy left with his first puppet HC because of the team Jimmy was credited for building. Instead he was blamed for disrupting that team’s ability for not winning more.

 

[Diehardblues]

Surely it’s not possible that we have a very vocal group of fans who don’t recognize what Garrett brings to the table in this dysfunctional organization?

That despite whatever Game Day coaching shortcomings he may have( assuming these fans are even right about that) has assisted not only in influencing our ownerships decision making process in a better direction but the overall culture of the franchise.

 

[Montanalo]

I coached a long time and I saw many lame duck coaches. Thank goodness I was never in that situation, but those that were did not handle it very well. I was close to five coaches that went through that and spoke to them regularly. The pressure they were under was immense. Beyond worrying about paying their bills, the hit to their ego that they might be fired was tough. Do you think Garrett is worried? Yes or no?

Yes, I think he might be. This year is a bit of a role-reversal for Garrett. Much like the year in which Wade Phillips was HC and Garrett was the HC-in-waiting, Garrett now has the "next young football genius" nipping at his heals. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part

 

[Techsass]

It still amazes me how the Perfect Puppet won a Coach of the Year. How does that happen?

That’s not the kind of respect from the league and his peers Jerry wants in his puppet HC. God forbid if we win a championship again and Jerry doesn’t receive the credit he’s been pursuing since he parted ways with Jimmy.

Remember Jerry didn’t appreciate a HC who delivered back to back Super Bowls because he didn’t receive more credit for building that championship team. He didn’t even get credit for the one after Jimmy left with his first puppet HC because of the team Jimmy was credited for building. Instead he was blamed for disrupting that team’s ability for not winning more.

We all know that if JJ had any GM sense, we would've had at least 4 SB wins in a row.

 

[Diehardblues]

We all know that if JJ had any GM sense, we would've had at least 4 SB wins in a row.

Of course and why we’re still struggling to win another one now almost 25 years later because of his insistence on controlling football operations as GM with all of the implications and challenges his mgmt style presents including our coaching concerns.

Attempting to blame Garrett Or any other coach for not winning a championship is simply not targeting the core cause.

 

[DallasEast]

Thats my point. Why would anyone with a sack allow himself to become a puppet?

They say money isn't everything but $6,000,000 a year will turn Pinocchio into a real happy boy!

 

[CouchCoach]

Thats my point. Why would anyone with a sack allow himself to become a puppet?

I can give you 6M reasons and it's easy for us to take the high road and say we wouldn't but I am not believing anyone here wouldn't take 6M a year to go along to get along. My sack would be very happy and well taken care of for the rest of it's hanging days.

 

[Diehardblues]

I can give you 6M reasons and it's easy for us to take the high road and say we wouldn't but I am not believing anyone here wouldn't take 6M a year to go along to get along. My sack would be very happy and well taken care of for the rest of it's hanging days.

Yea but it’s not just about the money.

I’d say a reason Jason agreed to play this puppet role is it gives him an opportunity to fulfill his ambitions of coaching without the pressure of winning like at other NFL cities.

If he’d taken those offers at Atlanta or Baltimore for example if he didn’t have more success early on he probably would have been fired like most HC’s are.

HC are all too often the scapegoat for the lack of success of a team or franchise. With Jerry who’s the face of the franchise he has the ability to take on those critics and shield those responsibilities. It provides a HC the opportunity and additional time to prove himself.

But in Jerrys case most of us realize it’s about much more than that. It’s all about Jerry and his quest to prove he’s a Football Guy. And why Jason is the Perfect Puppet.

 

[CouchCoach]

I wonder how many fans would be happy to have a puppet win their division 3 of the last 5 seasons? I can name 3 teams in the AFC East right off the bat.

What is amusing about this is that all of this railing at the puppet overlooks one thing, it is the puppeteer and that's not changing. Booger is not going to bring any HC in that wants to cut the strings on his hands and feet, not going to happen.

One day I was listening to Galloway and he'd just started having Broaddus on his show because he'd just been canned by Parcells. According to him people on the inside were concerned for Booger's health as he was deep in depression over being shoved in the background by Parcells' persona. This was Jimmy Johnson all over again. Booger does not do well in anyone's shadow.

In most of the HC's functions, Garrett is fine. I think he's a positive influence on Booger and the main reason that they finally started paying attention to the foundation of the roster. He has Booger's trust and it is going to take another HC time to earn that. And his family isn't going to allow any HC to upstage him in any way. The Cowboys are the only team in the NFL where the owner/GM is the face of the team and that is by design.

 

[CouchCoach]

Yea but it’s not just about the money.

I’d say a reason Jason agreed to play this puppet role is it gives him an opportunity to fulfill his ambitions of coaching without the pressure of winning like at other NFL cities.

If he’d taken those offers at Atlanta or Baltimore for example if he didn’t have more success early on he probably would have been fired like most HC’s are.

HC are all too often the scapegoat for the lack of success of a team or franchise. With Jerry who’s the face of the franchise he has the ability to take on those critics and shield those responsibilities. It provides a HC the opportunity and additional time to prove himself.

But in Jerrys case most of us realize it’s about much more than that. It’s all about Jerry and his quest to prove he’s a Football Guy. And why Jason is the Perfect Puppet.

Garrett returned to family. I think his subrogation is out of his affection for Booger who has become this replacement father figure for him.

Next time you see a pc with the three of them, don't look at Booger, look at how Garrett and Son look at him when he's speaking. Garrett has the same feeling in his eyes that you see in Son's. It truly is a family run business that even extends to extended family. That's why they felt comfortable having him crawfish out of that Linehan statement, family can do that.

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s why I’ve been supportive of Garrett. Because I see him as the Perfect Puppet for Jerry’s dirty work.

Garrett provides the influence and ability to manage the Football Idiot and Son to the best culture we’ve seen in about 25 years with the possible exception with Parcells.

I see this as about as good as it gets within the dysfunction Jethro and Son present. Almost now to the point we don’t even look as dysfunctional.

 

[CATCH17]

I coached a long time and I saw many lame duck coaches. Thank goodness I was never in that situation, but those that were did not handle it very well. I was close to five coaches that went through that and spoke to them regularly. The pressure they were under was immense. Beyond worrying about paying their bills, the hit to their ego that they might be fired was tough. Do you think Garrett is worried? Yes or no?

Garrett has already stolen millions of dollars from the Cowboys so he is fine financially and the NFL is the good ole boys league that is almost exclusive to family and friends so he will easily land on his feet.

Garrett says all the right things as well and he can fool gullible owners so he he’ll be fine.

 

[Diehardblues]

Garrett returned to family. I think his subrogation is out of his affection for Booger who has become this replacement father figure for him.

Next time you see a pc with the three of them, don't look at Booger, look at how Garrett and Son look at him when he's speaking. Garrett has the same feeling in his eyes that you see in Son's. It truly is a family run business that even extends to extended family. That's why they felt comfortable having him crawfish out of that Linehan statement, family can do that.

I’m not sure about all of that but I do feel if we’re going to be stuck with Puppets Jason is one I can embrace because of his history with the team and his fathers history. Which connect us to the two best times in Cowboy history with Jimmy and Tom.

I’m really surprised more fans can’t embrace this aspect? Jason and his family is as much or more a Cowboy than our current ownership.

 

[Diehardblues]

The best way for Garrett to be fired is to win a championship and receive more credit than Jerry.

That’s the one thing Jerry won’t tolerate. He’s not interested in winning championships unless he receives more credit.

Jerry has fired or parted ways with all of our Super Bowl Championship HC’s. More than anyone in NFL history. Think about that.

 

[CouchCoach]

It’s why I’ve been supportive of Garrett. Because I see him as the Perfect Puppet for Jerry’s dirty work.

Garrett provides the influence and ability to manage the Football Idiot and Son to the best culture we’ve seen in about 25 years with the possible exception with Parcells.

I see this as about as good as it gets within the dysfunction Jethro and Son present. Almost now to the point we don’t even look as dysfunctional.

All of that, I agree with and that's not my problem with him.

You know who Garrett is? Tom Hagen, who is good enough to serve as the consigliere in times of peace (off season, FA, the draft, team building) but when it comes time to go to the mattresses (games), he's not the guy. Everywhere else, he's OK but on that sideline, he is not in his element.

What's the best thing, even the detractors, say about him? His guys play hard for him, they don't quit on him. Do you see any players in the NFL not playing hard or quitting on their coaches? Hell, each player has his own movie every week. The #1 job for every coach is to put each player in his best possible situation to be successful and I feel he is lacking on game days in that regard.

I do not see any HC taking any control or power away from the Joneses but I do believe that's their control area, that team on game day. I am ready to see another HC do that because that is Garrett's greatest shortcoming. He's not a good HC when it's time to go to the mattresses.

 

[CouchCoach]

I’m not sure about all of that but I do feel if we’re going to be stuck with Puppets Jason is one I can embrace because of his history with the team and his fathers history. Which connect us to the two best times in Cowboy history with Jimmy and Tom.

I’m really surprised more fans can’t embrace this aspect? Jason and his family is as much or more a Cowboy than our current ownership.

How do you think fans would have been with Landry here in the late 80's? He created Cowboys history but the bottom line for many is winning.