News: PFT: Ezekiel Elliott has privately said that he's planning a training-camp holdout

[Stash]

I'm sure Jerry said the same about Emmitt in 1993.

We can blame the Rams for this mess.

Its the signing Bonus. They all want that $$$.

Zeke will want around 25 million.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Zeke is ranked 10th in NFL salaries for a RB. 2016 was yesterday.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/running-back/

Pay Zeke!

Why pay an idiot like Zeke that is more likely to get suspended then anything else? Zeke has won two rushing titles in 3 years and its done little for us. He was pretty much shut down in the playoff loss last year.

His production can be replaced by a stable of good backs for half the money. And we can probably get a nice bevy of draft picks if we trade the mental midget.

A smart GM would get rid of the cry baby head case that wants to be the highest paid back and turn it into buku cap space and buku draft picks.

 

[Future]

Wow. You feel like you gotta yell because why? You think it's going to make any more sense then it did before if you put it all in caps?

I noticed you didn't answer the question though. Do you ever see your solution getting voted in? It's a "Yes" or "No" question. If the answer is no, and you and I both know that it is, then how can you really call that a solution? I ask you what your answer to the problem is and you provide an answer that is impossible? Might as well have just said get rid of the cap all together. That actually has a better chance of getting voted in then what you originally suggested by a really wide margin.

Good Lord doesn't quite cover it. Try to have a good day.

Because you weren't listening.

Yes, it is possible. No, not right now.

I would get rid of the cap altogether.

 

[Future]

Well, Zeke to me is not the best back right now.

He is important to the team, maybe like emitt was. But that wasnt my point.

Maybe you should read my post again and try to understand what i said. But you can also just go over it and just say that none of my points matter. You can always make the world as you wish it should be.

None of your points do matter. The only one that does is that Zeke feels he's underpaid, and his only recourse is the threat of a holdout. Anything outside of that is irrelevant.

 

[uvaballa]

Zeke holding out will just cost him money since he’s under contract. He can be fined. Once the games start I bet he shows up.

 

[Sydla]

Literally none of what you said matters.

Zeke is the best RB in the game and not being paid like it. The other factors really don't have any influence. He holds all the cards and, whether we like it or not, is every bit as important to this team as Emmitt was.

Patrick Mahomes played like the best QB in the game and he's not paid like it. Maybe he should hold out too?

Jaylon Smith played like one of the best ILBs in the NFL last year. And he's not paid like it. He should probably hold out too.

Byron Jones was one of the best CBs in football and right now, he ranks 73rd in AAV amongst CBs. Definitely should hold out.

 

[Future]

Patrick Mahomes played like the best QB in the game and he's not paid like it. Maybe he should hold out too?

Jaylon Smith played like one of the best ILBs in the NFL last year. And he's not paid like it. He should probably hold out too.

Byron Jones was one of the best CBs in football and right now, he ranks 73rd in AAV amongst CBs. Definitely should hold out.

It's not a matter of should or shouldn't. If they want to get paid more, then it's their only course of action.

For some, like Mahomes, holding out would mean being the highest paid player at his position almost immediately.

 

[MyUserName]

TWO YEARS left on his contract.

Unless he gives a sweet home town discount....at least 15% off the current top RB contract...then let him hold out. (Some may laugh, but that’s still damn good $$ with long term security.)

He should not even be thinking hold out at this point. Maybe 9 months from now.

 

[DuncanIso]

TWO YEARS left on his contract.

Unless he gives a sweet home town discount....at least 15% off the current top RB contract...then let him hold out. (Some may laugh, but that’s still damn good $$ with long term security.)

He should not even be thinking hold out at this point. Maybe 9 months from now.

Doesn't work that way.

TGuryley signed a new deal. The bonus was $21 million.

Zeke is nowhere near that on his current contract.

That is the problem.

The new Zeke deal has to have at least a $21 million signing bonus. Think in the neighborhood of $25 million.

Average deal will then be larger than Gurleys'. Zeke is currently 10th.

So the new deal with Zeke will be around 4 years / 60-70 million, with the 25 million bonus.

 

[Sydla]

It's not a matter of should or shouldn't. If they want to get paid more, then it's their only course of action.

For some, like Mahomes, holding out would mean being the highest paid player at his position almost immediately.

Just applying your logic here.

Your stance should be that if you are being paid in a current year less than your value, you should hold out and get paid. Elliott signed a deal. You don't think he should have to live by that deal, and instead, demand he get paid more and sit out to make that happen.

 

[Future]

Just applying your logic here.

Your stance should be that if you are being paid in a current year less than your value, you should hold out and get paid. Elliott signed a deal. You don't think he should have to live by that deal, and instead, demand he get paid more and sit out to make that happen.

No, I'm not saying should. Please, stop putting words in my mouth, for the 500th time lol.

I'm saying that, if a player is underpaid on their rookie deal, their only recourse is to hold out. The whole morality of living by the deal is irrelevant to everyone - players and owners alike - except for butthurt fans.

 

[NumOneQB]

No, I'm not saying should. Please, stop putting words in my mouth, for the 500th time lol.

I'm saying that, if a player is underpaid on their rookie deal, their only recourse is to hold out. The whole morality of living by the deal is irrelevant to everyone - players and owners alike - except for butthurt fans.

I never understood why people try to apply this morality thing for athletes & contracts. The owners make billions on the backs of players (and tes I know the players don’t have to play), for leagues like the NFL where the average career is less than 3yrs (gotta play to 5 to earn retirement, wonder why that is huh?) the only action an athlete has is to hold out. Zeke’s earning potential at his position is all in the first 5 years of his career. No telling where he’ll be in 3 years, physically. I certainly don’t blame him for doing it.
Now, the question on should Dallas pay him is a whole different debate. Me personally, with his off the field antics and the change in the RB position in today’s NFL, I probably wouldn’t do it. Either way it’s a very difficult decision for Dallas and Zeke.

 

[TwentyOne]

None of your points do matter. The only one that does is that Zeke feels he's underpaid, and his only recourse is the threat of a holdout. Anything outside of that is irrelevant.

Ok.

But what i dont understand is: if nothings matters to you besides your own view then why did you join a discussion forum ?

Why not open up your own blog and just spam the world with your opinion ?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

A lot of stuff he can train on his own at several gyms. Biggest thing is new OC and knowing the offense.

I agree, players can and do use offseason training to come in more prepared but I've seen this out of Zeke. He comes to camp and he needs the work. He isn't a guy that comes in in top physical forum, or at least I've never seen that. There are also things that you can't simulate or train for in an Off Season workout. You gotta get that in camp or in practice. The other thing is that once you are in the season, you don't have a lot of time. It's a situation where everything becomes harder because if you are spending time to work with Zeke, you are taking time away from other areas of the team that need the attention. Nothing good about holding out, which is why he is using it as a tool.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Because you weren't listening.

Yes, it is possible. No, not right now.

I would get rid of the cap altogether.

You are wrong. I am reading, I just don't agree. There is a clear difference. Suggesting something that is an impossibility is not a solution. In fact, it's the exact opposite of that.

But I see your answer, you are saying that it is possible that Veteran players would vote for Rookies to get paid more then they, themselves can in their rookie years. That's what you are suggesting by saying "Yes, it is possible", just not right now, is that correct? Is that what you are saying? If it is, then we are in complete disagreement. That is never, ever going to happen. Please explain to me under what circumstances that vote happens.

Lastly, while I don't believe the cap is going anywhere, I agree with you that I would rather see the cap go away and teams go back to the way it was years ago but that, IMO, is not going to happen either. Chances are better of that IMO but it's just slightly more likely.

Yell if it makes you feel better but you are still wrong and it's not the fact that I am not listening. It's that you are simply incorrect and no matter how much INTERNET YELLING takes place, we will still be in the same place at the end of the day. It's not that I am not listing. It's the fact that I don't agree.

 

[Sydla]

I never understood why people try to apply this morality thing for athletes & contracts. The owners make billions on the backs of players (and tes I know the players don’t have to play), for leagues like the NFL where the average career is less than 3yrs (gotta play to 5 to earn retirement, wonder why that is huh?) the only action an athlete has is to hold out. Zeke’s earning potential at his position is all in the first 5 years of his career. No telling where he’ll be in 3 years, physically. I certainly don’t blame him for doing it.
Now, the question on should Dallas pay him is a whole different debate. Me personally, with his off the field antics and the change in the RB position in today’s NFL, I probably wouldn’t do it. Either way it’s a very difficult decision for Dallas and Zeke.

He will have made $24.5MM by the end of this season (4 years) and then likely another $9.0MM based on his option next year. That's nearly $34MM in five years and he'll get an extension somewhere, from someone, in the next two years. So let's not pretend or act like Elliott is some guy earning league minimum just looking to get that last pay day before the league jettisons him in a year or two because he's not all that good, or old, or injured.

He's going to bank a crap ton more money in his career.

 

[Future]

Ok.

But what i dont understand is: if nothings matters to you besides your own view then why did you join a discussion forum ?

Why not open up your own blog and just spam the world with your opinion ?

eyeroll....Because none of that is what I'm saying.

My point is that, in this context, Zeke's perspective is what matters, not yours on whether or not it's a good thing to hold out.

 

[uvaballa]

Anyone know how many RBs lead league in rushing after their big second contract? I honestly don’t know.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

But he is NOT among the highest paid RBs in 2019.

His base is 3.8 million this season.

Who cares about base salary alone when discussing an NFL player's compensation?

That is so remedial as to not warrant further response.

 

[Cattle_Rancher]

I'm sure Jerry said the same about Emmitt in 1993.

We can blame the Rams for this mess.

Its the signing Bonus. They all want that $$$.

Zeke will want around 25 million.

RBs can be replaced