What the agents know

[McKDaddy]

And here's the history, NFL owners never are and never have been

exactly. Jerry does answer to someone and that is the other owners. Ultimately they all set the rules for how the league works. No on will be allowed to circumvent the system which protects the owners power.

 

[aikemirv]

Great theory.

But do you actually think that these agents are "colluding" on this?

They're individuals, with individual goals. You need only sign one, Amari Cooper. You do that, and you can call any bluff the other two or their agents would like to try. Tag Prescott in 2020 and let him take the risk and play 2019 for $2 million. And let Elliott simply rot out there, a running back getting a year older and losing his spot in the machine that is the Cowboys line and running game.

Cooper is the one you have to sign.

Completely agree with you on that and I am a huge Elliot fan too!

 

[Stash]

Completely agree with you on that and I am a huge Elliot fan too!

I'm a fan of the player on the field as well, make no mistake about that. But I'm a bigger fan of the Dallas Cowboys and what's best for them.

 

[Rockport]

The Cowboys didn't even get 7 in that game. I've never seen a team bring pressure like the 85 Bears.

It was fugly.

 

[beware_d-ware]

They don't need to collude, betting on themselves is just smart business. If Cooper even treads water this season, he'll get $17M annual offered in 2019 just because of his age and production. If he blows up then he could get serious Michael Thomas screw-you money. The only way he loses money by waiting is if he gets injured. And Dak will get paid a truckload of money by some team just because he is a starting quarterback. Cousins got 3 years $84M fully guaranteed, and Dak isn't any worse than him. He'll make his money soon enough.

The one guy who's value isn't airtight and bulletproof is Zeke, and that's why he's holding out so he doesn't get Murray'ed.

 

[aikemirv]

Prescott can't hold out or his agent would be talking to every one of those endorsement clients of his. Both sides know it can never get to that for either side. And Cooper will make 14M on this contract, he'd be dumb to hold out.

I don't like the whole hold out thing but if Elliott were my son, this is exactly what I would be advising him to do. And people who get upset with him on the basis of "they built the offense around him, how can he do this"? They're blaming the wrong person. You build your dinner around steak and the price goes up, don't blame the butcher.

You blame the CBA and the players union and you take your lumps - otherwise if you keep it up you are going to be screwed in a league who is finding more and more every year that they can find a way without a star RB!

 

[CouchCoach]

Doesn't that argument also support why you don't push too hard with Jerry? You help him love you and you know he will take care of you.

It takes finesse to negotiate with the upper hand and all 3 know they have it. Only an idiot agent burns himself with a team.

They also realize how personally involved he is with these players and that plays against him as most GM's get themselves out of that. Who are 95% of all the interviews with coming out of camp? Who is making all of the comments on the players in camp?

That's the ace in the hole in this hand for the agents. Who likes to get his face on the Boogertron all throughout the games? Picture this, he doesn't extend Dak and he scores a rushing TD to go ahead late in the game and the camera puts Booger's mug on the Boogertron, what do you think you're going to hear? Hell, he hid in the alcove in TS before the second game in 93 and when the camera did find him, the boos rang out. He was afraid of shots ringing out.

Showoff billionaire drops 250M on a boat and won't pay his poor QB but 2M or his stud RB 4M? Don't think for a minute, opening day and the crowd isn't on his mind. That public image is more important to him than any owner, he needs to be loved and he's willing to pay for that. All 3 are done before the first real game and I am sticking to that for one reason. These agents aren't just negotiating for their players, they're negotiating against him.

 

[ESisback]

Nothing agents like better than working together for everyone's common good.

Hilarious!

 

[ESisback]

It takes finesse to negotiate with the upper hand and all 3 know they have it. Only an idiot agent burns himself with a team.

They also realize how personally involved he is with these players and that plays against him as most GM's get themselves out of that. Who are 95% of all the interviews with coming out of camp? Who is making all of the comments on the players in camp?

That's the ace in the hole in this hand for the agents. Who likes to get his face on the Boogertron all throughout the games? Picture this, he doesn't extend Dak and he scores a rushing TD to go ahead late in the game and the camera puts Booger's mug on the Boogertron, what do you think you're going to hear? Hell, he hid in the alcove in TS before the second game in 93 and when the camera did find him, the boos rang out. He was afraid of shots ringing out.

Showoff billionaire drops 250M on a boat and won't pay his poor QB but 2M or his stud RB 4M? Don't think for a minute, opening day and the crowd isn't on his mind. That public image is more important to him than any owner, he needs to be loved and he's willing to pay for that. All 3 are done before the first real game and I am sticking to that for one reason. These agents aren't just negotiating for their players, they're negotiating against him.

But Boogs wouldn’t blow 250 mill on a boat if his personal budget were capped, would he? Therein lies the difference.

Besides, it’s his team. He’s the boss. Can’t let the inmates run the asylum, even if he DOES love ‘em!

 

[CouchCoach]

You blame the CBA and the players union and you take your lumps - otherwise if you keep it up you are going to be screwed in a league who is finding more and more every year that they can find a way without a star RB!

Not this team. That's the key for him, they built this offense and run it through him, he's the key to it and they have QB minus RB to prove that point to themselves.

I agree with you, there are other RB's that would make this work, they've spent enough on the OL to insure that but I don't know if they believe that.

The one thing that is in their favor is his off the field issues, that would keep some people out of his corner. He's holding out with 2 years left, an unusual situation, and he's a risk to catch another time out.

 

[CouchCoach]

But Boogs wouldn’t blow 250 mill on a boat if his personal budget were capped, would he? Therein lies the difference.

Besides, it’s his team. He’s the boss. Can’t let the inmates run the asylum, even if he DOES love ‘em!

They've been running it. Got one player walking off before the gun and another knocking the clipboard out of a Coach's hand, all under the flag of passion and leadership.

What has happened is what always happens when those two magpies get on the radio and shoot their mouths off. The players didn't bring this out into the open, they did and now they're stuck in the middle of a public stare down. Elliott probably decided to hold out when they optioned him but they started the Gurley talk. You like that? Little spin on girly talk. Haha, I kill me.

 

[birdwells1]

The Cowboys didn't even get 7 in that game. I've never seen a team bring pressure like the 85 Bears.

I think it was 44-0.

 

[CATCH17]

I don’t like it when players try to hold teams hostage.

Negotiations are what the offseason is for.

Dallas had all offseason to do something.

Also, football players hate training camp and it's a way for them to get out of it.

 

[Ranching]

Maybe off topic, but you're out of your mind if you think the 85 Bears team was "boring ball."

Those guys intimidated people, humbled people, and then ran up the scoreboard in the meantime on them. They weren't putting up 7-10 points in a game like the 2000 Ravens were; they dominated people man!

That was 35 yes ago, today's game is about scoring. However, I wish we still had those types of teams, I'm a defensive fan and would love to return to those days.

 

[JJHLH1]

Your silly "hold the team hostage" comment though ... really speaks to a belief that players should give up any leverage they have.

Leverage works both ways.

If Zeke insists on trying to hold the team hostage then the Cowboys need to put the screws to him and enforce the fines as well as the portion of his signing bonus they are due.

He’s already missed valuable time working with our new OC.

 

[JReed1000]

So they've made offers to all 3 but not one has accepted....Playing a game of how low can you go is going to hurt this team. WE ARE NOT the Patriots!!

 

[ESisback]

They've been running it. Got one player walking off before the gun and another knocking the clipboard out of a Coach's hand, all under the flag of passion and leadership.

What has happened is what always happens when those two magpies get on the radio and shoot their mouths off. The players didn't bring this out into the open, they did and now they're stuck in the middle of a public stare down. Elliott probably decided to hold out when they optioned him but they started the Gurley talk. You like that? Little spin on girly talk. Haha, I kill me.

(In Arnold voice) Lit-tle girlieman!

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

I can see a Zeke trade , style of them 89 cowboys .

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Great theory.

But do you actually think that these agents are "colluding" on this?

They're individuals, with individual goals. You need only sign one, Amari Cooper. You do that, and you can call any bluff the other two or their agents would like to try. Tag Prescott in 2020 and let him take the risk and play 2019 for $2 million. And let Elliott simply rot out there, a running back getting a year older and losing his spot in the machine that is the Cowboys line and running game.

Cooper is the one you have to sign.

Yup. Elliot I would not pay a dime more than his contract allows for this season. You should not set the precedent of redoing a contract with 2 years left on it. A contract that, by the way, made Zeke a top paid RB from the moment he stepped onto an NFL field.

He can rot until he plays. And if he wants to sit out this year go for it. Frankly, I would be canvassing the league for a trade partner.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Yup. Elliot I would not pay a dime more than his contract allows for this season. You should not set the precedent of redoing a contract with 2 years left on it. A contract that, by the way, made Zeke a top paid RB from the moment he stepped onto an NFL field.

He can rot until he plays. And if he wants to sit out this year go for it. Frankly, I would be canvassing the league for a trade partner.

Agreed, as soon as Zeke is paid ; we will have a huge list of players 'holding out' and trying to re-do their contracts .