The Window, How Open Is It?

[morat1959]

If we "pay" Dak, Coop, Zeke, and have already paid DLaw even close to what they want, that's around 100 mil/season. For 4 players. Add in the OL's and LVE and Jaylon, and ouch. Hades, forget Byron.

We'll have about 9 or 10 awesome players, and a pile of JAG's who will cost us the games. Won't work.

No, I have no idea what to do.

Neither do the Jones boys. They’ve been at it for over 20 years and still haven’t figured it out.

 

[Diehardblues]

If we "pay" Dak, Coop, Zeke, and have already paid DLaw even close to what they want, that's around 100 mil/season. For 4 players. Add in the OL's and LVE and Jaylon, and ouch. Hades, forget Byron.

We'll have about 9 or 10 awesome players, and a pile of JAG's who will cost us the games. Won't work.

No, I have no idea what to do.

We have a serious problem because our franchise QB is dependent on an Elite supporting cast to be effective. But we seem intent on paying our QB.
What to do???

 

[kskboys]

We have a serious problem because our franchise QB is dependent on an Elite supporting cast to be effective. But we seem intent on paying our QB.
What to do???

He doesn't. What he needs is a good D and running game. Dak is the careful QB who doesn't turn the ball over, which is one of the primary ingredients to winning super bowls. He doesn't need elite, but he does need the correct surrounding players, just as all QB's do.

 

[Diehardblues]

He doesn't. What he needs is a good D and running game. Dak is the careful QB who doesn't turn the ball over, which is one of the primary ingredients to winning super bowls. He doesn't need elite, but he does need the correct surrounding players, just as all QB's do.

Surely your not implying that what we had without Elliott and Cooper were correct? Sounds like your attempting to skirt around Daks dependency on his supporting cast. We understand all QB’s need support. How much more support would you say Dak needs offensively ? And what could the effects be lessening his current supporting cast?

And I’d add that his low turnover rate is a result of limited play calling to protect him from making mistakes along with a dominating running game. If we become more dependent on his passing skills he’s most likely to begin turning the ball over more.

 

[Batman1980]

I think Cooper, Gallup, Witten, Cobb, Jarwin, Morris and Pollard is more than enough for this offense. The defense is solid but not great. Kicker, 1T and CB concern me.

 

[kskboys]

Surely your not implying that what we had without Elliott and Cooper were correct? Sounds like your attempting to skirt around Daks dependency on his supporting cast. We understand all QB’s need support. How much more support would you say Dak needs offensively ? And what could the effects be lessening his current supporting cast?

And I’d add that his low turnover rate is a result of limited play calling to protect him from making mistakes along with a dominating running game. If we become more dependent on his passing skills he’s most likely to begin turning the ball over more.

He needs a good running game, decent OL, and route running WR's.

I really don't comprehend what you're asking.

 

[Diehardblues]

He needs a good running game, decent OL, and route running WR's.

I really don't comprehend what you're asking.

I’m asking does Dak currently have what he needs offensively? Is this the “ correct” support?

 

[kskboys]

I’m asking does Dak currently have what he needs offensively? Is this the “ correct” support?

Possibly. Depends on how well Gallup turns out.

However, we should be drafting sharp route running WR's. That is a need of his.

 

[PUSHfold]

We have a serious problem because our franchise QB is dependent on an Elite supporting cast to be effective. But we seem intent on paying our QB.
What to do???

Show me all the SB winning QBs without an "elite" supporting cast whether its in the form of coaching, defense, or offense. I'm curious how many QBs have won SBs without it.

Aaron Rodgers didn't even make the playoffs last year...neither did Matt Ryan.

I find it hilarious Dak gets crap because we've put a team around him.

 

[Diehardblues]

Show me all the SB winning QBs without an "elite" supporting cast whether its in the form of coaching, defense, or offense. I'm curious how many QBs have won SBs without it.

Aaron Rodgers didn't even make the playoffs last year...neither did Matt Ryan.

I find it hilarious Dak gets crap because we've put a team around him.

No doubt but it’s what they do with it when they have it. Aikman struggled without a supporting cast but with it won 3 rings.

How much more supporting cast does Dak need?

 

[Montanalo]

I am joining this thread a bit late and, admittedly, haven't read all the posts.

That said, the window is as open as the Cowboys want it to be. I know, a bit cryptic. Most, but not everyone, would argue you build a team from the inside out with a focus on the trenches. I recognize that many would argue for the franchise QB first. For me it is a bit of which came first, chicken or egg?

Regardless, we have a great offensive line that is, contractually, locked in for several years. We also have a good, not great DL, that is trending up. Disregarding, for a moment, the other pieces of the team and the whole debate about whether Dak is or is not a franchise QB, I would argue that Dak or someone of similar capabilities could and should keep our window of opportunity open for a SB run.

Not to beat a dead horse but, if you acknowledge that the Cowboys have adequate talent to reach the SB, then the biggest potential drawback is coaching.

I am not a fan of Garrett and have offered that, more often than not, he has under-performed given the talent level. That said, Garrett may be one of the few that can put up with the circus called the Dallas Cowboys.

So, the window is open and, in my opinion, will stay open for quite some time. Nonetheless, pulling the Cowboys through the window requires a change in coaching.

 

[ClintDagger]

Show me all the SB winning QBs without an "elite" supporting cast whether its in the form of coaching, defense, or offense. I'm curious how many QBs have won SBs without it.

Aaron Rodgers didn't even make the playoffs last year...neither did Matt Ryan.

I find it hilarious Dak gets crap because we've put a team around him.

Anytime a team wins the SB they have elite players. It seems like typically what franchise QBs need is a good defense and good / healthy offensive line. What they don’t typically need or have is an elite running back / running game. Probably the last QB to have what people seem to say Dak needs was Russell Wilson who was a 2nd year QB. When was the last time a RB was Super Bowl MVP? How often in the last 15 or so years is the RB the clearly better player than the QB on SB winning teams? Very, very rarely. That speaks to the uphill climb Dallas has in front of it especially considering I’m skeptical that this cast around Dak is elite in the first place.

 

[starcity214]

Show me all the SB winning QBs without an "elite" supporting cast whether its in the form of coaching, defense, or offense. I'm curious how many QBs have won SBs without it.

Aaron Rodgers didn't even make the playoffs last year...neither did Matt Ryan.

I find it hilarious Dak gets crap because we've put a team around him.

This is stupid..

Dak Prescott and Patrick Mahomes/Aaron Rodgers/Carson Wentz don't play the same way!

Dak Prescott plays not to lose and is dependent on other players making big plays while the other QBs I mentioned live and die by their arm.

That is what is meant by "needing other players"

Why can't people understand this simple fact?

Dak Prescott is the Jason Garrett of Quarterbacks..

Play it safe, and dont get in the way and hope your team Carriesyou.

As far as "we are a running team, so that explains mediocre stats" goes, the year Carson Wentz had 34TD in 13 games, he had the number 1 rushing attack so how do you explain his stats? Also, Romo in 2014 had 34 TDs also.

Also, when Zeke was suspended, Dak had a chance to put the team on his back and put up stats and he sure did.. to the tune of breaking franchise records of futility and going 10 quarters without a TD..

Is that a good QB?

Players like Blake Bortles and Case Keenum have put up similar numbers to Dak and where are they? Back ups.

 

[kskboys]

Anytime a team wins the SB they have elite players. It seems like typically what franchise QBs need is a good defense and good / healthy offensive line. What they don’t typically need or have is an elite running back / running game. Probably the last QB to have what people seem to say Dak needs was Russell Wilson who was a 2nd year QB. When was the last time a RB was Super Bowl MVP? How often in the last 15 or so years is the RB the clearly better player than the QB on SB winning teams? Very, very rarely. That speaks to the uphill climb Dallas has in front of it especially considering I’m skeptical that this cast around Dak is elite in the first place.

Sony Michel was better than Tom Brady last year.
CJ Anderson was better than Payton Manning.
Marshawn Lynch was better than Wilson.

You don't need an elite running game, and I don't remember anyone claiming that you do. You do need an effective chain moving running game.

 

[Jake]

Sony Michel was better than Tom Brady last year.
CJ Anderson was better than Payton Manning.
Marshawn Lynch was better than Wilson.

You don't need an elite running game, and I don't remember anyone claiming that you do. You do need an effective chain moving running game.

3 points
10 points
8 points

That's how many the defenses allowed in their SB wins. When you're shutting down the opponent like that you don't need a lot of offense.

 

[ClintDagger]

Sony Michel was better than Tom Brady last year.
CJ Anderson was better than Payton Manning.
Marshawn Lynch was better than Wilson.

You don't need an elite running game, and I don't remember anyone claiming that you do. You do need an effective chain moving running game.

You’re pretty much proving my point by having to reach so hard to say Michel is better than Brady. LOL.

 

[kskboys]

3 points
10 points
8 points

That's how many the defenses allowed in their SB wins. When you're shutting down the opponent like that you don't need a lot of offense.

Correct. You need chain moving and no TO's.

 

[kskboys]

You’re pretty much proving my point by having to reach so hard to say Michel is better than Brady. LOL.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove, but you've left the argument!!!

We were discussing super bowls. Remember? Michel was better than Brady in the super bowl. Not really much of an argument there, Brady blew chunks all the way to 13 pts. Poor performance. 21/35/0TDs/1 INT by Brady. Michel: 18/94/1 TD/5.2 YPC. Michel easily outperformed him.

 

[Verdict]

The bottom line is this:

If we pay everyone who merits another contract top dollar then we are going to end up with zero depth (which requires no one of consequence getting injured which is bucking the odds.

The only way to counter act that is to hit on pretty much every draft pick and that’s not happening.

 

[ClintDagger]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove, but you've left the argument!!!

We were discussing super bowls. Remember? Michel was better than Brady in the super bowl. Not really much of an argument there, Brady blew chunks all the way to 13 pts. Poor performance. 21/35/0TDs/1 INT by Brady. Michel: 18/94/1 TD/5.2 YPC. Michel easily outperformed him.

I didn’t say better in one game. I said the better overall player. If you think Michel is better than Brady to me that speaks for itself.