Trysten Hill is not a bust

[America's Cowboy]

Exactly.
How often have we seen this. Fan X likes player Y the team selects player Z. Fan X says player Y is a bust we should have picked player Z. Then continues to compare players saying player Z is better though there is no evidence of hart, or even if player X is better, they still will not admit it.

I think quite a few on here would rather us miss the playoffs so they can be right instead of admitting they were wrong.

Bull. The guy is not 2nd round material. Should have been drafted no earlier than the 4th round at best. Could have had a legit starter at safety with that 2nd round pick. Thornhill is already starting at safety for the Chiefs and is playing very well. As much as many criticize Jeff Heath, it's sad seeing y'all defend the Trysten Hill pick, especially after clearly seeing Trysten is not starter material but instead may need several years to become one.

 

[Kaiser]

lso, Dallas isn’t really using stunts yet in the preseason. Those do a ton to free up guys in the regular season. With the kind of first step and explosion Hill has... he will be dangerous on those plays.

Its also like the NBA thing of "you can't teach height". He has an elite size/athleticism ratio, give him the coaching and weight room time and you could really have a special player.

 

[AsthmaField]

especially after clearly seeing Trysten is not starter material but instead may need several years to become one.

No one has “clearly seen that Hill isn’t starting material”. It has been two pre season games, and his play improved from week one to week two.

I’m not saying he’s going to be a starter because he has Collins in front of him... but we don’t have any idea if he’s going to have a good, bad, or ugly season this year.

We can’t tell much of anything at this point.

 

[America's Cowboy]

No one has “clearly seen that Hill isn’t starting material”. It has been two pre season games, and his play improved from week one to week two.

I’m not saying he’s going to be a starter because he has Collins in front of him... but we don’t have any idea if he’s going to have a good, bad, or ugly season this year.

We can’t tell much of anything at this point.

So you're saying that if Collins were not here, Hill would be out starter? Improvement? As in from 0 tackles during the 1st preseason game to 1 tackle during the 2nd game?

 

[AsthmaField]

So you're saying that if Collins were not here, Hill would be out starter? Improvement? As in from 0 tackles during the 1st preseason game to 1 tackle during the 2nd game?

What I’m saying is that we don’t know what he will be simply because we watched his first two preseason games that he played in. And only played part of the time, BTW.

The stunts that defenses run will change things considerably in the regular season. The experience he gets between now and opening day will change things.

Saying that we now know it will take him years to become a good player is the height of lunacy.

 

[waldoputty]

Not sure about that. Hill has a better first step, although Saunders first step is also good. Aside from that, I think Saunders has more talent. He's more agile and more athletic. "Almost shocking raw athleticism, which showed up in his initial burst as well as lateral agility to dance down the LOS and split gaps."

I honestly can't figure out why we thought Hill was a better prospect.

this shows hill vs saunders in talent (sparq - x axis). hill has much more physical talent.
his explosive score was really shocking for someone his size.

 

[kskboys]

this shows hill vs saunders in talent (sparq - x axis). hill has much more physical talent.
his explosive score was really shocking for someone his size.

I disagree. Hill is more explosive, no doubt. However, Saunders is just so athletic. He was the one doing backflips at 6-1/322.

Looks to me as if Hill's explosiveness rates him high.

 

[AsthmaField]

this shows hill vs saunders in talent (sparq - x axis). hill has much more physical talent.
his explosive score was really shocking for someone his size.

He is very explosive for such a big guy.

He will make a lot of strides toward what Marinelli wants from him in the next few weeks. The play where he made the Hit behind the line is a very good example of what he can do with that explosive first step.

The growth from the first PS game to the second was pretty evident, and I’d expect that growth to continue.

 

[waldoputty]

I disagree. Hill is more explosive, no doubt. However, Saunders is just so athletic. He was the one doing backflips at 6-1/322.

Looks to me as if Hill's explosiveness rates him high.

the sparq chart rates saunders as average sparq for nfl player.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I was noticing him in the second half. He seemed to be in the backfield alot

 

[Alexander]

That really was a hell of a play and it is a hint of what is to come with him.

He has all of the talent in the world, he’s just got to work on his technique. He’s in the right spot for that.

Also, Dallas isn’t really using stunts yet in the preseason. Those do a ton to free up guys in the regular season. With the kind of first step and explosion Hill has... he will be dangerous on those plays.

We’ve barely seen anything in two games of what he’ll be in game one. By the mid point of the season, he’ll be even better.

Right now he is literally a bull in a china shop. When games are for keeps, teams can run right at him.

 

[mrmojo]

Decent play but it was really his only play. He has two more games to make more, but if all of our interior players are healthy, he would be one of the last players I would trust in the opener against Barkley.

The QB also dropped the ball on that play? so idk ......time will tell on whether he will contribute, so far I'm disappointed.

 

[Alexander]

The QB also dropped the ball on that play? so idk ......time will tell on whether he will contribute, so far I'm disappointed.

Be quiet, hater!

 

[mrmojo]

Be quiet, hater!

Yes sir! Lol

 

[darthseinfeld]

Right now he is literally a bull in a china shop. When games are for keeps, teams can run right at him.

My guess would be he is your 4th DT right now if you want to list in order. If Collins play carries over, he will get most of the snaps at 3T. Woods will play a 1T on run downs with Covington subbing in on passing downs. Where I think you will see Hill most is subbing in on long drives. As the season goes on he might get more rotation opportunities if he shows up on tape. I think he will probably get 250-300 snaps

 

[America's Cowboy]

this shows hill vs saunders in talent (sparq - x axis). hill has much more physical talent.
his explosive score was really shocking for someone his size.

LOL. This shows exactly what we're seeing from Hill. All SPARQ but no show! Cowboys overdrafted for him.

 

[America's Cowboy]

What I’m saying is that we don’t know what he will be simply because we watched his first two preseason games that he played in. And only played part of the time, BTW.

The stunts that defenses run will change things considerably in the regular season. The experience he gets between now and opening day will change things.

Saying that we now know it will take him years to become a good player is the height of lunacy.

Lunacy is using a 2nd round pick (first two rounds are supposed to be used for starters) on a 4th round production player (at best) and expecting him to be considered starting material based on where he was drafted even though there is no production on the field.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Decent play but it was really his only play. He has two more games to make more, but if all of our interior players are healthy, he would be one of the last players I would trust in the opener against Barkley.

Exactly.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I purposely focused on Hill for an entire drive last night and I swear he ended up on the ground on three or four consecutive snaps.

But then he flashed into the picture downfield trying to make a tackle. I don't know how steep Hill's learning curve is going to be, but at least he has hustle.

 

[waldoputty]

LOL. This shows exactly what we're seeing from Hill. All SPARQ but no show! Cowboys overdrafted for him.

sure, that is what the chart says.
that is where the homework is done to see why.
considering he got less than 50% of snaps in college, that explains why it was less than average since he got less than average # of snaps.
that also explains lack of technique

where the judgement part of the draft comes in is whether you can turn quadrant b players to quadrant a.
cowboys have historically taken more talent than more college performance.
that is how they shoot for steals in draft in the 2nd round.
that applied to lee, jaylon, gregory.
many were complaining about the jaylon pick but he turned out to be a good pick.
if you dont draft in the top 10, then you have to take calculated risks to get special players.