I dont think Trysten Hill has shown up yet

[texbumthelife]

I've seen players put it together by the end of the season like Tank appeared to do. I've seen others like Taco take 2 years.

I'm encouraged by the progress so far and just want to see him continue to improve.

Not trying to be snarky or condescending at all, serious question: What about his progress has encouraged you? Are there any specific plays he's made in games/practice?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not trying to be snarky or condescending at all, serious question: What about his progress has encouraged you? Are there any specific plays he's made in games/practice?

His pad level, keeping his feet, his initial use of hands. they all look better.

His recognition is awful; double teams surprise him all too often. He is fine coming off the ball but if he does not win initially he doesn't know what to do most of the time and instead plays paddy cake.

He's a work in progress. I've just seen it all before. He's got a ways to go before his athletic talent shows through. He keeps grinding and it will. He just need sto let the game slow down for him.

 

[waldoputty]

Which steps to take depending on what the OL in front of him does. Where to put his hands depending on how he and the opposing OL come off the ball. How to transition his hands, feet, and body position depending on how the play develops to, away, or at him. How/when to shed blocks break down to make tackles or pursue. How to recognize double teams and sit on them or when to try and split them. Reading formations and motion. Maintaining pad level.

And on and on. Also keep in mind that last year he was in a 2 gap scheme after being in a 1 gap system the year before.

thanks
and u have seen substantial improvement?
can u give an example?

certainly some of these basics would be similar for a 1 gap or 2 gap?
thought he was in a 1 gap last year for the new college coaches but went to a 2 gap system the year before?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

thanks
and u have seen substantial improvement?
can u give an example?

certainly some of these basics would be similar for a 1 gap or 2 gap?
thought he was in a 1 gap last year for the new college coaches but went to a 2 gap system the year before?

He keeps his feet better and he is keeping his pad elevel low . He makes contact using his length more consistently.

And about the only similarity is how to sit down on one knee to anchor a double team. Other than that from technique to philosophy they are opposites.

In a 2 gap scheme, the DL comes off the ball he attacks to OL straight ahead and uses both hands and try to get them inside standing the OL up. You stack the line and engage the OL as he attempts to engage you. He is responsible for both gaps and needs to be able to swim, club, toss, or whatever to either side to defend both gaps. When you see Hill come off the ball and engage with both hands, you see this too regularly, he is reverting to old/bad habits.

In a 1 gap scheme, you attack the gap to a side of the of the OL. You use 1 hand technique where you turn your body creating more length and less surface area for the OL to block. You are constantly attacking the OL's hands to keep them off you and keep the OL off balance as you work upfield creating penetration.

It's little surprise that he is slow in reacting because his head is spinning trying utilize new technique.

 

[waldoputty]

He keeps his feet better and he is keeping his pad elevel low . He makes contact using his length more consistently.

And about the only similarity is how to sit down on one knee to anchor a double team. Other than that from technique to philosophy they are opposites.

In a 2 gap scheme, the DL comes off the ball he attacks to OL straight ahead and uses both hands and try to get them inside standing the OL up. You stack the line and engage the OL as he attempts to engage you. He is responsible for both gaps and needs to be able to swim, club, toss, or whatever to either side to defend both gaps. When you see Hill come off the ball and engage with both hands, you see this too regularly, he is reverting to old/bad habits.

In a 1 gap scheme, you attack the gap to a side of the of the OL. You use 1 hand technique where you turn your body creating more length and less surface area for the OL to block. You are constantly attacking the OL's hands to keep them off you and keep the OL off balance as you work upfield creating penetration.

It's little surprise that he is slow in reacting because his head is spinning trying utilize new technique.

thanks
so was his last college year in a 1-gap system?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

thanks
so was his last college year in a 1-gap system?

i don't think so I'd have to go back and look. Given his reversion to 2 gap technique it seems to not be the case.



Watching this he is using 2 gap technique. Both hands standing the guy up.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Nice ad hominem. He gave examples of him being right over the groupthink. You cannot argue specifics so go for character assassination instead.

Examples of being right??? Only in his own mind!

Too funny.

You want specifics? Watch the recent preseason games. HE STINKS!!!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Examples of being right??? Only in his own mind!

Too funny.

You want specifics? Watch the recent preseason games. HE STINKS!!!

Again unable to argue specifics so you go with ad hominem and appeal to ridicule. I see why I had you on ignore.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Again unable to argue specifics so you go with ad hominem and appeal to ridicule. I see why I had you on ignore.

Ignore away. Rather talk to realists than cheerleaders.

 

[waldoputty]

for those who doubt fuzzy's analysis skills, i had an argument with him about dlaw before he broke out. i argued for cutting dlaw given his lack of performance and injuries. fuzzy gave an analysis of dlaw's technique. the rest is history. of course, i happily enjoyed 2 servings of crow.

knowledge is power, though for some, ignorance is bliss.

 

[xwalker]

thanks
so was his last college year in a 1-gap system?

i don't think so I'd have to go back and look. Given his reversion to 2 gap technique it seems to not be the case.



Watching this he is using 2 gap technique. Both hands standing the guy up.

This is the game that college D-Coordinator Randy Shannon said that they told Hill what to expect in regards to the OL "turning him lose" and that prior to that game Hill just didn't "get it" but that after Hill reviewed the game and realized that the coaches were correct, that then he started to "get" their coaching style and their scheme better than he had previously.

It's interesting when certain DL come to the Cowboys and play more 2-gap or other run defense techniques that we rarely see the other Cowboy DL use.

Datone Jones came in during the 2017 season. He had primarily played in a 3-4 and he did lot more occupying blockers than we ever see with players that have been with Marinelli for a year or more.

 

[BackInTown]

Thats fair but a lot of these Dlinemen take some type to develop. Not all of them but even DLaw wasn't DLaw for a few years.

MAliek has been solid but people are talking like he will be the next D Law.

Even Taco looks a lot better so far.


We reached for Trystin Hill because he was a good athlete. He's not ready for NFL football clearly so all we can do is hope he develops over the next couple of years.

I don't disagree overall, but my point is that they don't always take that long to "get it" at these positions. I think Hill was considered a "raw project" from draft day, so there is still plenty of hope for him. But I would argue that DLaw showed a lot his rookie season too... it was shortened by injury, but even in training camp people were agog about how he wasn't just strong, he was also quick and technically solid. And when he came back from injury he flashed this in the playoffs with really clutch plays. Fingers crossed that Hill puts it together this season rather than later, but it is true that even if he doesn't, he might still be good later.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

LOL...What a pompous, self aggrandizing, little internet geek!!!

He’s the same guy that said the reports of Zeke holding out weren’t true, looool.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

for those who doubt fuzzy's analysis skills, i had an argument with him about dlaw before he broke out. i argued for cutting dlaw given his lack of performance and injuries. fuzzy gave an analysis of dlaw's technique. the rest is history. of course, i happily enjoyed 2 servings of crow.

knowledge is power, though for some, ignorance is bliss.

And he’s the same guy that had you believing Jaylon Smith wasn’t wearing a knee his first year back on the field.

You and few others sat there and ate up his bunk pseudo medical “analysis” like a baby calf on its mother’s udder.

 

[America's Cowboy]

And he’s the same guy that had you believing Jaylon Smith wasn’t wearing a knee his first year back on the field.

You and few others sat there and ate up his bunk pseudo medical “analysis” like a baby calf on its mother’s udder.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He keeps his feet better and he is keeping his pad elevel low . He makes contact using his length more consistently.

And about the only similarity is how to sit down on one knee to anchor a double team. Other than that from technique to philosophy they are opposites.

In a 2 gap scheme, the DL comes off the ball he attacks to OL straight ahead and uses both hands and try to get them inside standing the OL up. You stack the line and engage the OL as he attempts to engage you. He is responsible for both gaps and needs to be able to swim, club, toss, or whatever to either side to defend both gaps. When you see Hill come off the ball and engage with both hands, you see this too regularly, he is reverting to old/bad habits.

In a 1 gap scheme, you attack the gap to a side of the of the OL. You use 1 hand technique where you turn your body creating more length and less surface area for the OL to block. You are constantly attacking the OL's hands to keep them off you and keep the OL off balance as you work upfield creating penetration.

It's little surprise that he is slow in reacting because his head is spinning trying utilize new technique.

Great breakdown. He is thinking instead of reacting naturally to what's going on around him. RhatTpurs himhbehind on imevery playpsince his reactionsrare slower. Once he learns and doesn't think.any more his play will prove and his skills will take over.

He needs a year or two before blossoming. Similar to Lawrence before he put it all together

 

[America's Cowboy]

He’s the same guy that said the reports of Zeke holding out weren’t true, looool.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Trysten Hill is a and time will tell the truth.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He’s the same guy that said the reports of Zeke holding out weren’t true, looool.

i said the original source was crap and am a default skeptic. it made little sense given the lack of leverage he has. reliable sources changed my mind.

this of course has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

And he’s the same guy that had you believing Jaylon Smith wasn’t wearing a knee his first year back on the field.

You and few others sat there and ate up his bunk pseudo medical “analysis” like a baby calf on its mother’s udder.

I said that his foot was dropping and then lifting in the jumps he was doing in those videos. that would be impossible with even the semi-rigid AFO. I then said there was no evidence of the rigid springloaded AFO he wore when he first came in. you found a pic of him at practice wearing a semi-rigid AFO and acted like you had proven something.

all I said about the type of nerve injury and the recovery timetables was accurate.

what is intellectually dishonest is you parroting this take over and again when you have gotten this response each time. and again it has no bearing on the subject at hand.

 

[KingintheNorth]

And he’s the same guy that had you believing Jaylon Smith wasn’t wearing a knee his first year back on the field.

You and few others sat there and ate up his bunk pseudo medical “analysis” like a baby calf on its mother’s udder.

Oh snap.