This Could be Witten's Best Year Ever

[dsturgeon]

He is not goin to be near jarwins stats

 

[Future]

Wrong.

I really am hoping Moore figures out a way to use Witten in the red zone.

True. Jason Witten absolutely knows more about playing TE than Kellen Moore could ever teach him. He was drafted in 2003. Kellen Moore was 14 years old! Do you honestly think Moore has any insight that Witten doesn't about the position?

So what are the ways to use a guy who is slower than every player who covers him and can't jump? There's a reason Witten has never scored much - it's becuase he doesn't have the physical tools of Gronk, Gonzalez, Gates.

 

[Pass2Run]

He is not goin to be near jarwins stats

We'll see.

You have to realize we're talking about Jason Witten.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

When you lose a step in the blocking game, heaven help you

Blocking is more leverage than steps, I think if you look at most of Witten's blocking plays, he doesn't take many steps, I don't see that losing a step will hurt his blocking since he really just backs up one step and sets his feet, more in his downfield blocking, which again I don't see he does that much of. Could change with Moore's play calling, of course...

 

[Melonfeud]

So . . . maybe Witten has lost a step in the blocking game. And that's not good.

But in this offense, under Kellen Moore, I think he can be more productive than ever in the passing game where it matters.

Yep, Witten is getting old.

But he's not too old to play this game.

And what he lacks now from age, he makes up for with wisdom.

I personally expect his number of TDs to increase.

If we are to be a better team in the red zone, which I hope was our #1 focus this off-season, Witten has to score.

His best year ever for TDs was 9.

I'm personally OK with him getting 500-600 yards.

But I want to see Kellen Moore work his magic and squeeze 9 TDs out of an aging Witten.

I know it sounds crazy. But that was a big problem with Linehan's offense. He never could use Witten's height in the red zone or knack for getting open in the red zone.

I somehow think Moore will find a way to score with Witten.

Just a hunch. I could be wrong, like many times before.

But I see Witten as a scoring machine in 2019.

It certainly stands up to the light of reasoned scrutiny ,tho,I was liking yer' previously opined envisioned prediction of 11 t.d.'s ,personally

* whenever a players age is bandied about? My thoughts harken back to that Superbowl the Fecals stumbled into, where Tom Brady was running down the sideline in the pass catcher mode for a guaranteed T.D. & he'd executed his "jump ball " ability with all the athletic efforted aplomb of that displayed by a 50 y.o. washwoman who'd sideline as a fish monger down on the warf during the weekends,,,SHEESE,,,did he even clear 8" in height when going after that ball?

 

[LACowboysFan1]

True. Jason Witten absolutely knows more about playing TE than Kellen Moore could ever teach him. He was drafted in 2003. Kellen Moore was 14 years old! Do you honestly think Moore has any insight that Witten doesn't about the position?

So what are the ways to use a guy who is slower than every player who covers him and can't jump? There's a reason Witten has never scored much - it's becuase he doesn't have the physical tools of Gronk, Gonzalez, Gates.

No he doesn't, but the Cowboys' red zone targets were Dez, in his prime, and other receivers. But I will say, with Jarwin's 3 tds in one game, think we might see more passes to the tight ends into the end zone.

That's what makes this season even more interesting, what will Moore do?

 

[Tabascocat]

We’ll know after a few games if he can still contribute. If not, get the young guys more involved and phase out Witten and let him retire again.

 

[Pass2Run]

He was implying you can't lose a step as a blocker.

 

[Pass2Run]

We’ll know after a few games if he can still contribute. If not, get the young guys more involved and phase out Witten and let him retire again.

I promise, he'll contribute.

 

[Pass2Run]

It certainly stands up to the light of reasoned scrutiny ,tho,I was liking yer' previously opined envisioned prediction of 11 t.d.'s ,personally

* whenever a players age is bandied about? My thoughts harken back to that Superbowl the Fecals stumbled into, where Tom Brady was running down the sideline in the pass catcher mode for a guaranteed T.D. & he'd executed his "jump ball " ability with all the athletic efforted aplomb of that displayed of a 50 y.o. washwoman who'd sideline as a fish monger down on the warf during the weekends,,,SHEESE,,,did he even clear 8" in height when going after that ball?

I'm hoping to see Witten's career extended, by using him mostly in scoring or short yardage situations.

As far as between the 20s, give the other guys the reps.

That's how I'd handle Witten from here on out.

I want him fresh in the red zone.

We need the brains down there. And we need to preserve the depth at the position while developing the younger guys.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I'm hoping to see Witten's career extended, by using him mostly in scoring or short yardage situations.

As far as between the 20s, give the other guys the reps.

That's how I'd handle Witten from here on out.

I want him fresh in the red zone.

We need the brains down there. And we need to preserve the depth at the position while developing the younger guys.

Me too, I just hope the young guys will learn something

 

[Pass2Run]

Me too, I just hope the young guys will learn something

That's the plus of having him around.

Witten eats, breathes and just lives the tight end position.

Anyone willing will learn from him.

 

[jsb357]

And what he lacks now from age, he makes up for with wisdom.

Wisdom?

like jumping off-sides and holding and other penalties.

wisdom won't help him break a tackle.

he's consistently taken down dead in his tracks by DB's 40lbs lighter than him.

He was a great player at one time.

 

[Pass2Run]

True. Jason Witten absolutely knows more about playing TE than Kellen Moore could ever teach him. He was drafted in 2003. Kellen Moore was 14 years old! Do you honestly think Moore has any insight that Witten doesn't about the position?

So what are the ways to use a guy who is slower than every player who covers him and can't jump? There's a reason Witten has never scored much - it's becuase he doesn't have the physical tools of Gronk, Gonzalez, Gates.

No, no.. That's not what I'm saying.

I"m saying Witten has always been so great; he just does what he's told.. plays his role to a tee.

I'm saying Kellen Moore can have a slightly different role for Witten this year, than the one he's played before.

And that role [theoretically] involves being a focal point to score TDs in the red zone.

Please don't confuse what I'm saying, although I can say this.

Anyone willing to learn can usually learn something from somebody else..

 

[Pass2Run]

Wisdom?

like jumping off-sides and holding and other penalties.

wisdom won't help him break a tackle.

he's consistently taken down dead in his tracks by DB's 40lbs lighter than him.

He was a great player at one time.

Right.

If he's standing in the end zone with the ball in his hand, the play is over.

That's six points.

Witten does one thing well. He gets open, and catches the ball.

So . . . back to my point.

If he's still effective at getting open, but due to age he can no longer drag two defenders down the field, then it just makes more sense to find a different role: one that suits his current abilities better.

And,basically, that's what I'm saying in this thread.

It's all hypothesis,but I can see it playing out like this, given certain factors.

That is, Witten's role could be modified some this year under Moore.

Maybe it won't be.

I just have a feeling it will be.

That's all.

 

[Future]

No, no.. That's not what I'm saying.

I"m saying Witten has always been so great; he just does what he's told.. plays his role to a tee.

I'm saying Kellen Moore can have a slightly different role for Witten this year, than the one he's played before.

And that role [theoretically] involves being a focal point to score TDs in the red zone.

Please don't confuse what I'm saying, although I can say this.

Anyone willing to learn can usually learn something from somebody else..

I get what you are saying. But what I am saying is that there is nothing else to do with Witten because of his limited physical tools. He can only beat man coverage on option routes. This is known, and has been for a long time. As such, there's nothing else to do with him in the red zone. Is he good at finding soft spots against zones, sure, but that's always been true. It's not like Moore can split him out wide to throw fades or expect him to win on a slant.

Jason Witten is absolutely willing to learn and absolutely nothing to learn from Moore.

 

[Pass2Run]

I get what you are saying. But what I am saying is that there is nothing else to do with Witten because of his limited physical tools. He can only beat man coverage on option routes. This is known, and has been for a long time. As such, there's nothing else to do with him in the red zone. Is he good at finding soft spots against zones, sure, but that's always been true. It's not like Moore can split him out wide to throw fades or expect him to win on a slant.

Jason Witten is absolutely willing to learn and absolutely nothing to learn from Moore.

I'm going to disagree with you some.

Witten can read a defense and gets open because he finds the hole or opening and runs his route accordingly. We are basically saying the same thing.

I just disagree that you can't scheme around him and do things to get him open to get him the ball.

I say this particularly because of the other guys on the team, which you have to tend to as a defense.

With Zeke in there now, you have to deal with Cooper, Gallup and whoever else we throw at you.. So Witten can find himself with more opportunities.

Naturally.

The key is to capitalize on them.

If we're to be a different team this year, we should expect different things.

 

[jsb357]

Where does anyone get that he has lost a step? He played one preseason game.

see 2016 and 2017

 

[zrinkill]

see 2016 and 2017

I saw him still wide open 8 yards down the field.

 

[stilltheguru]

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