Let’s clarify what passing accuracy really means

[RodeoJake]

Here’s a simple definition of QB passing accuracy I really like: The QB’s passes are where the receiver can catch them.

I don’t know about you, but the Dak critics that continually point out that his passes don’t look pretty enough or he missed this throw or that throw are either not paying attention or will never accept Dak’s abilities. He may never be a top 5 QB in this league but if your QB helps you win, who cares? Dak will have a bad game at some point this year as he has had in the past. Happens to every QB. But he has had and will have a lot more good ones than bad IMO.

NFL history is littered with QBs who threw beautiful tight spirals in tight windows...and were perennial losers. How about the much ballyhooed (in his day) Jeff George, who had a great arm and an ego to match. He played and lost for multiple NFL teams and will fade from memory quicker than many QBs with less ability. Who could forget the canon arm of JeMarcus Russell? Or our former backup and former Browns #1 pick Brandon Weeden who Jerry said threw the prettiest pass?

What I care about are QBs that can throw the ball accurate enough for our receivers to catch it. I’m not that impressed with how tight the spiral is. That’s cool and all but just get it there so the receivers can catch it. Be a leader and don’t kill us with turnovers.

Remember the Bears’ Jim McMahon? He didn’t throw the prettiest ball but he will show you his super bowl ring if you point that out. And he was a great leader who just won. Or Joe Kapp of the Vikings or Billy Kilmer of the skins who both threw more wounded ducks than anyone I can remember. But somehow they both took teams to SBs.

Accuracy= The receiver can catch it. Dak is an accurate QB by that metric.

I agree with most of what you say, but there's more to accuracy than the pass just being catchable. However, Dak was considerably more accurate than just throwing catchable passes yesterday. He threw balls that led to a lot of YAC. He threw balls that only our guys could catch. He might not have thrown every pass in a perfect location, but he threw them well enough.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

Dak is going to be our franchise QB for years to come, he has an opportunity to get us a SB Ring this year, but he will never be a top 5 QB. He has all the amazing qualities of a Hall of Fame QB, except consistency and accuracy.

This isn't backyard football or even college. You are expected to do better than just get the ball in the vicinity of the player. The giants defense sucks. They were in the bottom 10 of the league last year and the bottom 10 of the league in passing yards allowed. Dak did what he was supposed to do, dominate an inept team. He had almost no pressure the entire game and now he has tons of offensive weapons.

Take all 32 starting QBs, give them the same offensive talent with the "genius" new Offensive Coordinator, place them in yesterdays exact circumstances, and i stand by the opinion that Dak finishes anywhere from 10-20, right in the middle of the pack.

The cowboys built a juggernaut around him, this team will do well and might even win the SB. However, when they play tight defenses that requires tight accuracy and consistency, HE WILL FAIL. Screenshot the post, it will come up time and again in the future.

 

[kskboys]

Dak is going to be our franchise QB for years to come, he has an opportunity to get us a SB Ring this year, but he will never be a top 5 QB. He has all the amazing qualities of a Hall of Fame QB, except consistency and accuracy.

This isn't backyard football or even college. You are expected to do better than just get the ball in the vicinity of the player. The giants defense sucks. They were in the bottom 10 of the league last year and the bottom 10 of the league in passing yards allowed. Dak did what he was supposed to do, dominate an inept team. He had almost no pressure the entire game and now he has tons of offensive weapons.

Take all 32 starting QBs, give them the same offensive talent with the "genius" new Offensive Coordinator, place them in yesterdays exact circumstances, and i stand by the opinion that Dak finishes anywhere from 10-20, right in the middle of the pack.

The cowboys built a juggernaut around him, this team will do well and might even win the SB. However, when they play tight defenses that requires tight accuracy and consistency, HE WILL FAIL. Screenshot the post, it will come up time and again in the future.

Giants were 23rd against the pass last season. They were the top of the bottom 10. Huge difference between bottom of league 23rd. That's what you call cherry picking stats. And if you have to do that to try and prove a point, I'd have to conclude the point wasn't all that valid to begin w/. !!!!!

 

[fansince68]

I'm not a Dak "hater". But I will admit, his accuracy, pocket awareness, and ability to throw a receiver open were suspect last season. I suggested he employ a qb "guru" to hone his craft and improve. It appears that he has done just that. I saw huge improvement in all areas of his game. I hope Dak can continue his improvement and growth. I hope the offense has a few "hidden " wrinkles to keep our future heavy opponents off guard.

 

[DogFace]

That is your opinion, others who watched it within the media even some who are big critics of Dak saw it different. You are entitled to your opinion

That’s very diplomatic.

I vote to take away his entitlement.

 

[DogFace]

A pass with a slight wobble is a lot easier to catch than a tight spiral.

Most football fans will never be able to comprehend what I just said.

From experience I’ve always felt that way.

 

[Pantone282C]

A pass with a slight wobble is a lot easier to catch than a tight spiral.

Most football fans will never be able to comprehend what I just said.

Yeah, I have thrown a few and caught a few. Usually easier.

 

[jaythecowboy]

old Dak to me... will rip a great pass right into the thick of things, then throw 3 or 4 in a row all over the place, causing defenders to have to reach and stop.
As for footwork, I will reserve my judgment to next week to see if the

Why is it considered to be a a different standard when alot of us look at things like QBR . QBR takes into account primary and ancillary measurables to rate a QB's performance. Rayne Dakota ranked #17 last year. Whats so different about that?

That isn't taking scheme into account. Dak could be higher on that list with an offense that made better use of the personnel.

 

[DogFace]

Completion percentage =/= Accuracy. He looked like the same old Dak to me... will rip a great pass right into the thick of things, then throw 3 or 4 in a row all over the place, causing defenders to have to reach and stop.
As for footwork, I will reserve my judgment to next week to see if the Commanders can actually make him have to move an inch...

3 or 4 in a row?

How many incompletions did he have? How many of those were drops?

I give you credit for showing up to not make your case again. Maybe it’s time to admit you weren’t correct?
Pretty sure you said he’s terrible or something close to that. Terrible QB’s don’t set franchise records and have perfect passer ratings.

 

[alicetooljam]

3 or 4 in a row?

How many incompletions did he have? How many of those were drops?

I give you credit for showing up to not make your case again. Maybe it’s time to admit you weren’t correct?
Pretty sure you said he’s terrible or something close to that. Terrible QB’s don’t set franchise records and have perfect passer ratings.

They were mostly in the first quarter...

I dont understand the sensitivity of a critique with everyone that "loved Dak first"...
I dont think anyone has tried to say Dak had a bad or even an OK day or that they wouldnt take that every week.

 

[DogFace]

They were mostly in the first quarter...

I dont understand the sensitivity of a critique with everyone that "loved Dak first"...
I dont think anyone has tried to say Dak had a bad or even an OK day or that they wouldnt take that every week.

Well, I’d say the “sensitivity” comes from months/years of people ignoring stats(like wins and records) and insisting despite evidence that he’s not very good and that’s annoying.

It’s enjoyable to know we have a very good QB. When people insist they are right and in a rude way they deserve that backlash.IMO.

@PAPPYDOG is wrong, but civil. Others like this guy are not.

 

[doomsday9084]

Well, I’d say the “sensitivity” comes from months/years of people ignoring stats(like wins and records) and insisting despite evidence that he’s not very good.

It’s enjoyable to know we have a very good QB. When people insist they are right and in a rude way they deserve that backlash. @PAPPYDOG is wrong, but civil. Others like this guy are not.

I think that a lot of people are offended by the win record comment like its all Dak. The team went 12-4 (75%) two years before Dak got to Dallas and then went 3-1 (75%) with Romo the year before Dak was drafted. They also added the best RB in football to that 75% win team when Dak arrived. The Cowboys have drafted fantastically over that period and added one of the best WR's in football with a 1st rounder.

What has Dak done with that 75% win team + Zeke + other good players? Won 67% of his games.

There are two very distinct anti-Dak crowds:
1. Dak sucks
2. Dak doesn't suck but isn't a superduperstar so he shouldn't be treated as such

I firmly disagree with the "Dak sucks" crowd but when the pro-Dak group starts parading his record around like he is a stud and deserves mucho dinero, I have to pipe in. I strongly suspect that the "Dak sucks" crowd is much smaller than you think. They just make up for it with volume.

 

[CouchCoach]

Before any poster that is opposed to Prescott can accept this, they must accept that a QB can improve in an off season of working to do that. Some have not accepted that; therefore, they cannot give him credit for improving.

It is going to take more than one game to allow some to open their mind to the possibility he can improve.

 

[Kevinicus]

Here’s a simple definition of QB passing accuracy I really like: The QB’s passes are where the receiver can catch them.

I don’t know about you, but the Dak critics that continually point out that his passes don’t look pretty enough or he missed this throw or that throw are either not paying attention or will never accept Dak’s abilities. He may never be a top 5 QB in this league but if your QB helps you win, who cares? Dak will have a bad game at some point this year as he has had in the past. Happens to every QB. But he has had and will have a lot more good ones than bad IMO.

NFL history is littered with QBs who threw beautiful tight spirals in tight windows...and were perennial losers. How about the much ballyhooed (in his day) Jeff George, who had a great arm and an ego to match. He played and lost for multiple NFL teams and will fade from memory quicker than many QBs with less ability. Who could forget the canon arm of JeMarcus Russell? Or our former backup and former Browns #1 pick Brandon Weeden who Jerry said threw the prettiest pass?

What I care about are QBs that can throw the ball accurate enough for our receivers to catch it. I’m not that impressed with how tight the spiral is. That’s cool and all but just get it there so the receivers can catch it. Be a leader and don’t kill us with turnovers.

Remember the Bears’ Jim McMahon? He didn’t throw the prettiest ball but he will show you his super bowl ring if you point that out. And he was a great leader who just won. Or Joe Kapp of the Vikings or Billy Kilmer of the skins who both threw more wounded ducks than anyone I can remember. But somehow they both took teams to SBs.

Accuracy= The receiver can catch it. Dak is an accurate QB by that metric.

You may like that definition, but it is not a good one. There is a lot more to accuracy than that.

 

[Bobhaze]

You may like that definition, but it is not a good one. There is a lot more to accuracy than that.

Ok....what’s your definition?

 

[Doomsday101]

Before any poster that is opposed to Prescott can accept this, they must accept that a QB can improve in an off season of working to do that. Some have not accepted that; therefore, they cannot give him credit for improving.

It is going to take more than one game to allow some to open their mind to the possibility he can improve.

True, this was 1 of 16, he has 15 games to go in reg season and he will have down games and what you hope is those game that are less than great that he can manage to overcome them and put his team in a position to win. Hell guys like Roger and Romo did not have all the come from behind wins because they played great for 4 qrts, sometimes you have poor stat days but you keep fighting and you do all you can to put your team in a position to win. Yesterday was great, I got to relax and had a stress free game with the game pretty much in control late in the 3rd qrt but I know not every weekend will be like that and some days you say to hell with the stats lets just win

 

[Kevinicus]

Ok....what’s your definition?

Ball placement to maximize the effectiveness of a play. Putting it in a position where the WR "can" (even awful passes can sometimes be caught) is just scratching the surface. Accuracy includes placing it so the WR can keep running, so the defender can't make a play, so the chances of a deflection are minimized, so defenders aren't allowed to catch up or regain position to make a play, etc.

 

[Diehardblues]

I loved what Troy said” I’m not sure why they call it perfect QB rating, he didn’t complete all of his passes”. Lol

 

[Diehardblues]

Before any poster that is opposed to Prescott can accept this, they must accept that a QB can improve in an off season of working to do that. Some have not accepted that; therefore, they cannot give him credit for improving.

It is going to take more than one game to allow some to open their mind to the possibility he can improve.

We’ve seen Dak have some great games similar to this before . It’s his inconsistency which has been criticized.

Obviously Dak has had much success in his 3 years as only the Patriots have won more games in same time frame.

But it’s his performances against the more Elite defenses and teams which have been more in question. Ultimately down the stretch and in January is what he’ll be judged by or he’ll be another regular season great QB like Romo.

Having said that, I’m encouraged after Game 1. We soundly beat a bad team. That’s a good sign.

 

[Bobhaze]

Ball placement to maximize the effectiveness of a play. Putting it in a position where the WR "can" (even awful passes can sometimes be caught) is just scratching the surface. Accuracy includes placing it so the WR can keep running, so the defender can't make a play, so the chances of a deflection are minimized, so defenders aren't allowed to catch up or regain position to make a play, etc.

Ok, thanks. Looks like Dak did a good job yesterday according to your definition.