Everyone has it wrong about Garrett

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He inherited a prime Romo, Ware, Witten, Dez, and Lee....people who say say he had no talent dont know what the hell they are talking about. I expect that from you tho. Look at the rosters the Seahawks and Panthers coaches inherited if you wanna see a real rebuild.

Now tell us who was on the OL.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Current NFL Head coaches with 9+ years TENURE & their records for each National Football League (NFL) team.

Bill Belichick 2000 225 79 0 .740 261 123 0 .680 6 Super Bowl Championships
9 AFC Championships
16 AFC East Championships
16 Playoff Berths
3 AP Coach of the Year Awards [36][1]

Sean Payton 2006 118 74 0 .615 118 74 0 .615 1 Super Bowl Championship
1 NFC Championship
5 NFC South Championships
7 Playoff Berths
1 AP Coach of the Year Award [37][38]

Mike Tomlin 2007 125 66 1 .654 125 66 1 .654 1 Super Bowl Championship
2 AFC Championships
6 AFC North Championships
8 Playoff Berths [47][48]

John Harbaugh 2008 104 72 0 .591 104 72 0 .591 1 Super Bowl Championship
1 AFC Championship
3 AFC North Championships
7 Playoff Berths [5][6]

Pete Carroll 2010 89 54 1 .622 121 85 1 .587 1 Super Bowl Championship
2 NFC Championships
4 NFC West Championships
7 Playoff Berths [51][52]


Jason Garrett 2010 77 59 0 .566 77 59 0 .566 3 NFC East Championships
3 Playoff Berths
1 AP Coach of the Year Award [15][16]



Garrett is a failure in every sense .

 

[TheDude]

Now tell us who was on the OL.

basically the same line from 2009 that won the NFC East

 

[JBell]

He absolutely deserves credit for the foundation of the team and wanting to strengthen the trenches. Also deserves all the credit for his RKG philosophy and building a positive team culture.

But as a head coach, he doesn't give you an advantage schematically on either side of the ball, which is what the elite coaches do (Belichick - Defense, McVay - Offense, Payton - Offense).

He's better suited for a Front Office role than he is Head Coach.

 

[BHendri5]

When Garrett took over in 2010 as the head coach he inherited a listless 1-7 team lacking talent. He followed that with 3 8-8 seasons with teams again lacking in talent and unable to do much about it because of salary cap issues. Everyone seems to blame him for the lack of a Super Bowl but in fact he’s the one who turned this organization around. Jones put a lot of faith in Garrett because of his pedigree and intelligence. He had a plan and a vision on how to build a football team. He first focused on getting the right kind of players. I promise you he wanted nothing to do with Greg Hardy. Secondly he focused on building the team from the trenches out which is something you can’t do in one year with the salary cap issues he inherited. He stuck to his guns and build a solid team improving it every year. There were some bumps along the way with time management but you haven’t seen those in recent years. You can nick pick a time here or there but they can be argued both ways. He still needs to prove it in the playoffs but its obvious he’s put together a young team, built from the trenches out and wins. Let’s see what happens this year.

Finally someone that knows football

 

[BHendri5]

He absolutely deserves credit for the foundation of the team and wanting to strengthen the trenches. Also deserves all the credit for his RKG philosophy and building a positive team culture.

But as a head coach, he doesn't give you an advantage schematically on either side of the ball, which is what the elite coaches do (Belichick - Defense, McVay - Offense, Payton - Offense).

He's better suited for a Front Office role than he is Head Coach.

Yes, he does, he showed that as the OC, and he shows that everyone he approves the offensive and defensive game plan. Especially on offense, the offense has as his inputs as well as Moore’s, Kitna’s and Dak’s, even the offensive line coach has input Colombo

Do you not understand all the things that coaching Entails

 

[BHendri5]

I've defended Garrett way more than I've criticized him, but your post is NOT remotely how things have transpired.

Will McClay and Stephen Jones have built the roster.

Partly true.!! Wil McClay and Stephen went out and found the type of players that Garret told them he wanted playing for him. So in essence he built the team

 

[DandyDon52]

When Garrett took over in 2010 as the head coach he inherited a listless 1-7 team lacking talent. He followed that with 3 8-8 seasons with teams again lacking in talent and unable to do much about it because of salary cap issues. Everyone seems to blame him for the lack of a Super Bowl but in fact he’s the one who turned this organization around. Jones put a lot of faith in Garrett because of his pedigree and intelligence. He had a plan and a vision on how to build a football team. He first focused on getting the right kind of players. I promise you he wanted nothing to do with Greg Hardy. Secondly he focused on building the team from the trenches out which is something you can’t do in one year with the salary cap issues he inherited. He stuck to his guns and build a solid team improving it every year. There were some bumps along the way with time management but you haven’t seen those in recent years. You can nick pick a time here or there but they can be argued both ways. He still needs to prove it in the playoffs but its obvious he’s put together a young team, built from the trenches out and wins. Let’s see what happens this year.

So your saying garrett planned all this the last 9 years, and has done all the draft boards, and made all the draft picks, and all the fa pickups except hardy.
The OL guys were all handpicked and drafted by JG ?
He has built this team all according to his brilliant plan? LOL.

And you post this right after they have 1 really good game.

Well I have to disagree, there was no plan, things just developed to lead to what they have now, and the jones boys and mclain are bigger parts of it
than JG. JG is part of the 4 main guys that have built the team over last 9 years. No plans, just ad libing each year.

The other thing is even though dallas looked great against the giants, and may continue against wash and miami, lets wait and see what happens
when they play teams that actually have a defense and coaches.
Wash benched AP in favor of the 2 younger backs lol , I found that shocking, then with no run game phil dominated them in 2nd half sunday.
So I have changed my mind on them giving dallas a tough game.
After that it is the miami mess lol.
Have to wait for NO.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

basically the same line from 2009 that won the NFC East

wrong.

2009: Flozell Kosier Gurode Davis Columbo

by 2011 Flo, Colombo, Davis and Gurode retired plus Kosier hurt his leg and was a corpse of his former self. Which left us with:

Free who was awful at LT
Holland who was average at best.
Costa who was weak and sluggish.
Kosier who lost all his power and mobility.
Smith who was a rookie.

Romo was slaughtered the next 3 years which led to back surgeries and ultimately retirement. But hey he had Felix Jones and Miles Austin!

In 2012 the defense imploded. Ratliff quit, Spencer tore his meniscus, Ware kept tearing his quad and hamstring. Spears left. NICK HAYDEN TIME!

So basically in his first two years Garrett had to completely rebuild the lines on both sides of the ball.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So your saying garrett planned all this the last 9 years, and has done all the draft boards, and made all the draft picks, and all the fa pickups except hardy.
The OL guys were all handpicked and drafted by JG ?
He has built this team all according to his brilliant plan? LOL.

And you post this right after they have 1 really good game.

Well I have to disagree, there was no plan, things just developed to lead to what they have now, and the jones boys and mclain are bigger parts of it
than JG. JG is part of the 4 main guys that have built the team over last 9 years. No plans, just ad libing each year.

The other thing is even though dallas looked great against the giants, and may continue against wash and miami, lets wait and see what happens
when they play teams that actually have a defense and coaches.
Wash benched AP in favor of the 2 younger backs lol , I found that shocking, then with no run game phil dominated them in 2nd half sunday.
So I have changed my mind on them giving dallas a tough game.
After that it is the miami mess lol.
Have to wait for NO.

All or nothing eh?

Garrett takes over and the team drafts Smith Frederick and Martin his first four years while constantly telling the press the importance of line play. that was before McClay showed up and the Joneses had already been here.

And you want to pretend there was no plan.

 

[xwalker]

Partly true.!! Wil McClay and Stephen went out and found the type of players that Garret told them he wanted playing for him. So in essence he built the team

That is nonsense.

 

[DandyDon52]

All or nothing eh?

Garrett takes over and the team drafts Smith Frederick and Martin his first four years while constantly telling the press the importance of line play. that was before McClay showed up and the Joneses had already been here.

And you want to pretend there was no plan.

Romo wanted and needed
a left tackle to protect his blindside, so they got smith for that. It was planned.
Frederick was on their board they needed a better center, they had so many bad snaps, so he was still there when they picked at the bottom of round,
and they had him in for visit and really liked him, so they jumped on it and took him.
Then everyone thought the giants would take martin , their pick was before the cowboys, who had another player picked, who I dont think was a lineman.
Then giants didnt pick him, and cowboys had him rated high, so again they jumped on it and took the highest rated player.
After that they didnt pick another rd one lineman. They didnt plan it , it just worked out that way.

And the jones boys did the drafting before McClay, so give them the credit over JG, who had a say but that is all.
Right now and this is my opinion, it is Jerry his boy, McClay, and JG that all do the draft as a team and that order is in relation to how much say they have, and they give marinelli say on DL and they may all listen
to scouts and other coaches, so it isnt any one person that is drafting for the cowboys, and the Jones boys still make the picks, either who they want, or
if others want them they still have to approve all picks.

 

[AmericanCowboy]

Garrett sucks. It is cool to have a team of good guys who do good work in the community.

It is nice to know our players, for the most part, aren’t acting stupid and getting arrested.

But ultimately his tenure is a massive failure. I haven’t read the whole thread, but Garrett is terrible as a game day manager. The list of games he has botched due to his conservative approach or his lack of time management is probably approaching 25-30 at this point.

I mean for years the guy would constantly score ASAP before the half to allow the other team more time with the ball? Who remembers when Garrett was going to call a timeout with like 50 seconds left when the cowboys had the ball at the 2 and Romo is running over and yelling at him begging him to stop?

He is a TERRIBLE game day coach and that is putting it nicely!

 

[Pokefan1]

I truly enjoy reading comments about the players and coaches. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What I do not enjoy reading about are the insults between posters. If I wanted that the Iggles board is full of that. Please be be respectful of each other’s opinion. From a fan of over 50 years.

 

[cern]

Garrett is the NFL's Timothy Leary. He's on the outside looking in.

 

[DogFace]

I’ve often given credit to Garrett for building this team.

What I haven’t liked is the clock management and insistence not to adjust. Rather, he used the “we do what we do” philosophy.

It looks like that’s changed so I’m ok with him. Moore’s gameplan was brilliant.

 

[rynochop]

but compared to many other NFL Head Coaches he has not been that good.

How many is many?.there's a short list of coaches with a better winning percentage. I'd rather not roll the dice on the hot new coordinator or college coach that could be the next chip kelley..who a lot of folks around here dreamed of having

 

[Brax]

When Garrett took over in 2010 as the head coach he inherited a listless 1-7 team lacking talent. He followed that with 3 8-8 seasons with teams again lacking in talent and unable to do much about it because of salary cap issues. Everyone seems to blame him for the lack of a Super Bowl but in fact he’s the one who turned this organization around. Jones put a lot of faith in Garrett because of his pedigree and intelligence. He had a plan and a vision on how to build a football team. He first focused on getting the right kind of players. I promise you he wanted nothing to do with Greg Hardy. Secondly he focused on building the team from the trenches out which is something you can’t do in one year with the salary cap issues he inherited. He stuck to his guns and build a solid team improving it every year. There were some bumps along the way with time management but you haven’t seen those in recent years. You can nick pick a time here or there but they can be argued both ways. He still needs to prove it in the playoffs but its obvious he’s put together a young team, built from the trenches out and wins. Let’s see what happens this year.

No way to spin it, Garrett is a terrible terrible head coach and is employed because he is a Jerry yes man. "It's a process", yes "Mr. Jones what ever you say". Jerry and Jason deserve each other one who thinks he knows everything one who knows nothing of coaching.

 

[noshame]

I hate to break it to Rockbrain but if Jason worked for any other owner he be coaching a High School team now and about ready to move to JUCO.

 

[Rockport]

No way to spin it, Garrett is a terrible terrible head coach and is employed because he is a Jerry yes man. "It's a process", yes "Mr. Jones what ever you say". Jerry and Jason deserve each other one who thinks he knows everything one who knows nothing of coaching.

Your hate is blinding to you what’s been going on right in front of you. No one said he doesn’t have issues but he’s addressed those with improvement in clock management and conservative play. Do you remember last year when they went for it on 4th and short so many times? He hasn’t had clock management issues in the last 2-3 years. He was 2016 Coach of the Year, he’s had some bad luck with the “catch” and key injuries, suspensions but with all of that he’s kept the team together and now has a team with enough talent to go a long way.