It seems that Trysten Hill belongs on a milk carton

[Stash]

It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

It’s obviously too early to call him a busy and he may still end up setting the world on fire, but it seems like an indictment of this pick sincerely Taco was essentially forced on the 46 man roster.

Based on what we have seem so far, the team either doesn’t know how to evaluate interior DL players or is looking for the wrong traits in said players.

So many of us have been begging for a trash can full of dirt at the 1 Tech, and the team will have none of it.

Marinelli’s “Rushmen” are not getting to the QB and putting much pressure on opposing QBs. We are also not solid against the run at times even when we should be.

What do you guys thing about this fact?

I think Marinelli should be chopped and we should find a DL coach that knows how to make the most out of the DL players and we should change what we are looking for in the DL, especially at the 1 Tech.

Line forms behind me.

 

[John813]

Bit disappointing he couldn't be active. Covington may be fine depth, but he's a journeyman level player.

Hoping he'll be active in a few weeks and actually show something.

 

[Cowboyny]

It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

It’s obviously too early to call him a busy and he may still end up setting the world on fire, but it seems like an indictment of this pick sincerely Taco was essentially forced on the 46 man roster.

Based on what we have seem so far, the team either doesn’t know how to evaluate interior DL players or is looking for the wrong traits in said players.

So many of us have been begging for a trash can full of dirt at the 1 Tech, and the team will have none of it.

Marinelli’s “Rushmen” are not getting to the QB and putting much pressure on opposing QBs. We are also not solid against the run at times even when we should be.

What do you guys thing about this fact?

I think Marinelli should be chopped and we should find a DL coach that knows how to make the most out of the DL players and we should change what we are looking for in the DL, especially at the 1 Tech.

Hill wasn't suppose to be a plug and play day 1 starter, hopes for year 1 is to become a quality rotational player. Right now he is a developmental prospect playing at a position that has a steep leaning curve. Revisit him later in the season to see if he progresses, way too early to say to say the pick was good or not!

 

[Hennessy_King]

Hill wasn't suppose to be a plug and play day 1 starter, hopes for year 1 is to become a quality rotational player. Right now he is a developmental prospect playing at a position that has a steep leaning curve. Revisit him later in the season to see if he progresses, way too early to say to say the pick was good or not!

Hes got a long way to catch up cuz my boy juan thornhill had a good game Sunday

 

[IndianaCowboys1994]

Dallas' line is pretty good and I think Hill is basically a guy to take over some DTs that have contracts coming up in a year or two. Not necessarily a player to come in right away.

I totally agree with what you said. However, use a 4th, 5th ,6th, or 7th round pick on a guy like that. There were 2nd rounders Dallas could have selected that could have made an impact this year. I hope Trysten has a nice career in Dallas, but he isn't worth a 2nd round pick. Maybe a 4th. If you are picked in the first three rounds of the NFL Draft you should be able to contribute from day 1.

Side note to anyone: Do not compare Trysten Hill to Jaylon Smith's situation. Jaylon was a top 5 talent with a bad injury. That was worth a risk in the 2nd round. Trysten Hill was an okay DT in college...

 

[sbark]

Just a couple years ago, in the same scheme we used to watch s. Lee knife thru gaps and cut runners down methodically.

The will lb is actually designed to be protected behind the singled up 3 tech.

Have teams found a way to get the center out on him due to a un dominate 1 tech, or is our will lb the half step slow....or as someone said overrunning plays

The 3 tech job is to get upfield....a.donald

 

[mrmojo]

Hill may eventually come around, but as a 2nd round pick expectations are higher... he should have been a 3rd or 4th round pick....if that.....then I could justify patience and him being a project. He just looked so out of place out there in preseason.

 

[Kingofholland]

That safety in the 2nd round looks even better now. But to be fair, dline is hard for a rookie out of the gates so can't rush to judgement this season on Hill.

 

[Brax]

Marinelli and richard should have been left in LA.

could we add Garrett to your list also????

 

[Stash]

I totally agree with what you said. However, use a 4th, 5th ,6th, or 7th round pick on a guy like that. There were 2nd rounders Dallas could have selected that could have made an impact this year. I hope Trysten has a nice career in Dallas, but he isn't worth a 2nd round pick. Maybe a 4th. If you are picked in the first three rounds of the NFL Draft you should be able to contribute from day 1.

Do not compare Trysten Hill to Jaylon Smith's situation. Jaylon was a top 5 talent with a bad injury. That was worth a risk in the 2nd round. Trysten Hill was an okay DT in college...

It's funny that people will now try to call defensive tackle a 'developmental position' in an effort to cover for the fact that ours was inactive. Some fans will tell themselves anything.

Here's an interesting tidbit. Two of our three top draft picks over the past three drafts were inactive on Sunday while our defensive line played poorly, 2017 1st rounder Taco Charlton, and 2019 2nd rounder Hill. Both Rod Marinelli decisions.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think Maleik Collins and Robert Quinn would disagree. Just wait, it’s coming. NYG have a sneaky good OL.

Giants to do NOT have a good Oline. Quinn I can agree with, but right now hes not here. Collins has never done much of anything but impress in TC.

Give me Quinn and Gregory back and we can start to talk. Our DT's, however, are a collection of JAGS.

 

[Bullflop]

I suspect Hill has strength issues -- something that's never a fast cure.

It might possibly take him a season or two before he's suitable to play.

 

[HanD]

Marinelli needs to go. He sucks at drafting players for his Dline or scheme.......ect....ect......

well then just don't let him "help" draft players.

i think part of the problem is that he's good at coaching guys up and so he's always looking so much at the potential and what he could mold a player into and disregards other aspects of the prospect. Seeing potential is great but only seeing potential is also a problem.

 

[Stash]

well then just don't let him "help" draft players.

i think part of the problem is that he's good at coaching guys up and so he's always looking so much at the potential and what he could mold a player into and disregards other aspects of the prospect. Seeing potential is great but only seeing potential is also a problem.

He needs to be told who he's getting for his defensive line, not asked.

 

[TheGoat73]

It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

It’s obviously too early to call him a busy and he may still end up setting the world on fire, but it seems like an indictment of this pick sincerely Taco was essentially forced on the 46 man roster.

Based on what we have seem so far, the team either doesn’t know how to evaluate interior DL players or is looking for the wrong traits in said players.

So many of us have been begging for a trash can full of dirt at the 1 Tech, and the team will have none of it.

Marinelli’s “Rushmen” are not getting to the QB and putting much pressure on opposing QBs. We are also not solid against the run at times even when we should be.

What do you guys thing about this fact?

I think Marinelli should be chopped and we should find a DL coach that knows how to make the most out of the DL players and we should change what we are looking for in the DL, especially at the 1 Tech.

It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

It’s obviously too early to call him a busy and he may still end up setting the world on fire, but it seems like an indictment of this pick sincerely Taco was essentially forced on the 46 man roster.

Based on what we have seem so far, the team either doesn’t know how to evaluate interior DL players or is looking for the wrong traits in said players.

So many of us have been begging for a trash can full of dirt at the 1 Tech, and the team will have none of it.

Marinelli’s “Rushmen” are not getting to the QB and putting much pressure on opposing QBs. We are also not solid against the run at times even when we should be.

What do you guys thing about this fact?

I think Marinelli should be chopped and we should find a DL coach that knows how to make the most out of the DL players and we should change what we are looking for in the DL, especially at the 1 Tech.

I think we should have already made Richard our DC and let him pick his DL coach. I would think it wouldn’t be too hard to land the coach Richard wants in the off season with the depth/potential we are working with.

Hill is listed at 308. Reasonable to think he might come into camp next year at 325 (an in-shape 325). That’s trash can full of dirt territory isn’t it? I know Gilbert Brown played around 345 (365 depending on who you asked), but he was toward the end of the bell curve.

 

[John813]

I totally agree with what you said. However, use a 4th, 5th ,6th, or 7th round pick on a guy like that. There were 2nd rounders Dallas could have selected that could have made an impact this year. I hope Trysten has a nice career in Dallas, but he isn't worth a 2nd round pick. Maybe a 4th. If you are picked in the first three rounds of the NFL Draft you should be able to contribute from day 1.

Side note to anyone: Do not compare Trysten Hill to Jaylon Smith's situation. Jaylon was a top 5 talent with a bad injury. That was worth a risk in the 2nd round. Trysten Hill was an okay DT in college...

Some can say well the coach didn't like him, but to me that's BS. It's college football, the best talent starts. Coaches can overlook a lot to win win games. Especially for a team like UCF who has had top 25 success over the past few years. This isn't FAU or FIU.

Hoping his potential is scratched but yea he looked like a day 3/UDFA type talent in pre-season.

 

[CowboyRoy]

well then just don't let him "help" draft players.

i think part of the problem is that he's good at coaching guys up and so he's always looking so much at the potential and what he could mold a player into and disregards other aspects of the prospect. Seeing potential is great but only seeing potential is also a problem.

He is an overblown DL coach. DL has been is main task and he has failed at it. I dont think the guy is good at anything to be honest. And we have seen the differences that Richards has made in the secondary right off the bat.

He seems to do well coaching jouneymen in his scheme, but then is bad at getting great players for his scheme. Lawrence being the only home run he has ever hit.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Hill is a... starts with a "B."

And I knew that when they drafted him. Top heavy and short legs is not going to get it done. Ever!

His physic is his down fall.

 

[CATCH17]

I think the move is just to forget about him this year.

You don't have to be the first guy to claim bust.

He's certainly a project and his pre-season was not good but he's got some athleticism so all we can do is hope is that he stays healthy, learns, and comes into next season as a contributor.

I hated the draft pick too.. It seemed like a pre determined pick but they were locked in and not budging.

Just give McClay the benefit of the doubt and come back next year.

 

[Risen Star]

just let willie make all the personnel moves without rod's input. we'd be even more stacked with talent at this point.

Even more stacked than we are now? Is that even possible?