It seems that Trysten Hill belongs on a milk carton

[Risen Star]

One of the weakest areas of the team and our 2nd round pick can't suit up for the game.

Nothing to see here!

 

[doomsday9084]

The defensive line stuck out like a sore thumb as far as it being the worst performing unit. I didn't think the LB's or DB's played that bad. Part of the yardage surrendered was just the soft *** defense Dallas played for the last quarter and a half. That said, they knew that NY was throwing every down and they couldn't get near Eli for the most part. On run plays, the holes were huge. If you saw DLaw's description of the defense, there were some people completely blowing their hole assignments.

Getting specifically to Hill, its funny how often the general media is right on a pick. When virtually everyone pans a pick like they did with Hill, the odds of it working out tend to be slim. Sure, there are anecdotal examples where that isn't true but for the most part the consensus on a pick is right when its a strong consensus.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Me too.

Of course this is not Marinelli's belief and it does not fit his system. They need to keep that guy out of the war room.

And Trysten Hill is the ultimate definition of a project by NFL standards. I watched him literally get pushed backwards about 30 yards from where the play eventually ended up this preseason. That typically does not happen to second round picks but hopefully the light will come on and the team will get some production out of him.

The only light that may come on is McLay recognizing the error and trying to salvage a draft pick by duping another team into trading for him.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Giants to do NOT have a good Oline. Quinn I can agree with, but right now hes not here. Collins has never done much of anything but impress in TC.

Give me Quinn and Gregory back and we can start to talk. Our DT's, however, are a collection of JAGS.

Don’t know how you can say the NYG do not have a good OL. They added an all pro RG in Zeitler (and once the highest paid G in NFL) and a very good RT in Remmers to a budding all pro LG in Will Hernandez and a former pro bowl LT in Solder.

 

[atlantacowboy]

He's making me miss Nick Hayden.

 

[BigTimeBlues]

I tried to find a hit/miss success rate for DTs out of the drafts..I wasn't very successful.

At this point, it's just a wait and see, but I wouldn't be surprised if (barring any major injury)Dallas doesn't take some juicy DT prospect in the upcoming draft.

 

[IndianaCowboys1994]

It's funny that people will now try to call defensive tackle a 'developmental position' in an effort to cover for the fact that ours was inactive. Some fans will tell themselves anything.

Here's an interesting tidbit. Two of our three top draft picks over the past three drafts were inactive on Sunday while our defensive line played poorly, 2017 1st rounder Taco Charlton, and 2019 2nd rounder Hill. Both Rod Marinelli decisions.

Exactly. I don't really value DT as much as most do. I'd rather have edge rushers instead of a stable of DT's. Only a few of them are true game changers (Donald, Cox)

 

[BigD_95]

1 game.

I think the posters point is he didnt even make the active roster as a top pick. One game or not. How many 2nd round picks over the last 10 years didnt make the active roster their first game? I tend to agree it doesnt look good. Not to mention the guy wasnt even a starter in college. Not sure what they were thinking drafting him in the second round.

 

[bsbellomy]

Hill wasn't suppose to be a plug and play day 1 starter, hopes for year 1 is to become a quality rotational player. Right now he is a developmental prospect playing at a position that has a steep leaning curve. Revisit him later in the season to see if he progresses, way too early to say to say the pick was good or not!

That's not the type of players you should be using your 2nd round picks on.

 

[Sydla]

You really shouldn't be surprised if this thing goes south and Hill never really develops.

This is the penalty you pay when you let your DL/DC coach pick guys based on his gut feeling about a guy. Throw in some desperation during the draft because you didn't use FA wisely at DT (and DE when we picked Charlton), it's how you end up forcing a pick on a toolsy guy with little college production to back up the hype.

When you base a draft pick on the whims of your DL coach and his ability to just turn anyone into a quality DL, you end up making mistakes. Charlton is pretty much a mistake pick at this point and Hill, unfortunately, is starting on the exact same path. At least Charlton was active in his first game.

 

[Sydla]

Hill wasn't suppose to be a plug and play day 1 starter, hopes for year 1 is to become a quality rotational player. Right now he is a developmental prospect playing at a position that has a steep leaning curve. Revisit him later in the season to see if he progresses, way too early to say to say the pick was good or not!

This is revisionist history. Nowhere was it said when he was drafted that he was going to be a draft and stash type player for the future. All indications was they thought he was a guy who could come in and, at the very least, provide depth at the 3T. This whole, "he was a raw prospect and we drafted him for the future years, not right now" is people struggling to make excuses for a 2nd round pick that isn't cutting it to date.

Now, should we trade him or dump him? Of course not. I don't think anyone is saying that. But the reality is, it's clear the front office and, more specifically Marinelli, overestimated this kid and are now stuck hoping they can develop him for down the road. But that's basically what happened with Charlton and as it stands now, Charlton can't get active himself in Year 3.

I just hope we don't look back 2-3 years from now and realize what a colossal mistake we made taking Hill over another need - S - when Thornhill was sitting there.

 

[Bobhaze]

It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

It’s obviously too early to call him a busy and he may still end up setting the world on fire, but it seems like an indictment of this pick sincerely Taco was essentially forced on the 46 man roster.

Based on what we have seem so far, the team either doesn’t know how to evaluate interior DL players or is looking for the wrong traits in said players.

So many of us have been begging for a trash can full of dirt at the 1 Tech, and the team will have none of it.

Marinelli’s “Rushmen” are not getting to the QB and putting much pressure on opposing QBs. We are also not solid against the run at times even when we should be.

What do you guys thing about this fact?

I think Marinelli should be chopped and we should find a DL coach that knows how to make the most out of the DL players and we should change what we are looking for in the DL, especially at the 1 Tech.

It’s too early to declare anything about Trysten Hill. Yes, the early returns from preseason games weren’t great. But this guy was always drafted as a project, and the day he was drafted I don’t think the team penciled him in as an immediate starter.

I am concerned that a second round pick is set to have no impact this year, but it’s too early to make the determination that he’s a bust. Time will tell.

 

[Sydla]

Giants to do NOT have a good Oline. Quinn I can agree with, but right now hes not here. Collins has never done much of anything but impress in TC.

Give me Quinn and Gregory back and we can start to talk. Our DT's, however, are a collection of JAGS.

Their OL is not bad. Is it ours or Phillys? No.

But it's not a terrible OL by any stretch. They invested money and picks into that OL and it's at least average to above average now.

But I do agree our DTs are just JAGs. It's why I was banging the drum for Gerald McCoy.

 

[davey999]

Other than Lawrence, there is little of quality on the Dline.

I agree. Where are we getting this idea that we are stacked on d line? Because we kept like 14 guys? They just aren't that good.

 

[morat1959]

It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

It’s obviously too early to call him a busy and he may still end up setting the world on fire, but it seems like an indictment of this pick sincerely Taco was essentially forced on the 46 man roster.

Based on what we have seem so far, the team either doesn’t know how to evaluate interior DL players or is looking for the wrong traits in said players.

So many of us have been begging for a trash can full of dirt at the 1 Tech, and the team will have none of it.

Marinelli’s “Rushmen” are not getting to the QB and putting much pressure on opposing QBs. We are also not solid against the run at times even when we should be.

What do you guys thing about this fact?

I think Marinelli should be chopped and we should find a DL coach that knows how to make the most out of the DL players and we should change what we are looking for in the DL, especially at the 1 Tech.

Marinelli was a has been when he got here.

 

[Sydla]

He's making me miss Nick Hayden.

Whew boy!

 

[Sydla]

The way I look at it..............

When Quinn gets back, we have two NFL quality starting DEs and we have pretty good DE depth, with Armstrong and Hyder. I also like Jackson, but he's a rookie late round pick.

Conversely, we have mostly backup types at DT. Collins is the best of the bunch and has shown flashes but has battled injuries and inconsistency. The rest are just blah. The franchise's compete ignoring of quality DTs in FA is mindnumbing.

And as said, the fact we only had 3 DTs active and Hill isn't one of them? Ugh.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Don’t know how you can say the NYG do not have a good OL. They added an all pro RG in Zeitler (and once the highest paid G in NFL) and a very good RT in Remmers to a budding all pro LG in Will Hernandez and a former pro bowl LT in Solder.

Wow, 5 all pros, who knew?

Definitely improved from two years ago, but still not a great line.

 

[RodeoJake]

It’s too early to declare anything about Trysten Hill. Yes, the early returns from preseason games weren’t great. But this guy was always projected as a project, and the day he was drafted I don’t think the team penciled him in as an immediate starter.

I am concerned that a second round pick is set to have no impact this year, but it’s too early to make the determination that he’s a bust. Time will tell.

What we ain't looking at is he was taken at the tail end of the 2nd. Chances ain't good finding an instant impact player there. So what if he was inactive? He's probably gonna be inactive several times this year while he learns the NFL game. If he's still inactive several games into the season, then it might be time for concern.

 

[davey999]

Was jealous watching Danny Shelton on the Pats. They picked him (and a 5th) up from the Browns for a 3rd. Great deal.