It seems that Trysten Hill belongs on a milk carton

[Verdict]

That's not at all what they did. They took him hoping what they saw on tape would materialize quickly but knowing that it might take time, which it does for some players. The idea wasn't to get someone "serviceable" in a few years, but to get someone who could eventually be the type of 3-tech this defense needs. Hill was not a second-round pick based on what he accomplished at Central Florida but because of the explosiveness and power he showed at his size. It's a long way from Central Florida to the NFL, especially for a player who had some trouble on that level as far as getting where the coaches wanted him to be.

Maybe. But you don’t take a gamble on a late around talent in the second round. If you are going to gamble you gamble on a top player like (Jaylon —or even Gregory) in the second if you are going to gamble.

Hill wasn’t on the radar like Jaylon or even Gregory.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Stop.

Covington and Hyder are basically journeyman type DL. They aren't good enough that they would block a 2nd round pick who played well in preseason from making the active roster.

Hill isn't on the active roster for one reason - he showed in camp and preseason games he was overmatched by NFL talent at this point in his development. It wasn't that Covington, for example was so good, that he kept Hill off the active list. Frankly, Covington was just blah in preseason himself. But Hill was simply raw and overmatched by back up OL in the preseason.

The fact a 2nd round DT can't get active in his first game is pretty disappointing and I suspect that wasn't the plan the Cowboys had in mind when they used the 58th pick on him when there were safeties on the board they also liked.

Barkley probably had a little bit to do with it. You miss one or two assignments in the middle and Barkley is gone.

 

[Bullflop]

Let's just say Hill wasn't a steal. Nevertheless, it remains to be seen if he just needs time for development or what.

It takes time to determine that! That is a precious something that we aren't especially prone to afford!

 

[davidariust24]

It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

It’s obviously too early to call him a busy and he may still end up setting the world on fire, but it seems like an indictment of this pick sincerely Taco was essentially forced on the 46 man roster.

Based on what we have seem so far, the team either doesn’t know how to evaluate interior DL players or is looking for the wrong traits in said players.

So many of us have been begging for a trash can full of dirt at the 1 Tech, and the team will have none of it.

Marinelli’s “Rushmen” are not getting to the QB and putting much pressure on opposing QBs. We are also not solid against the run at times even when we should be.

What do you guys thing about this fact?

I think Marinelli should be chopped and we should find a DL coach that knows how to make the most out of the DL players and we should change what we are looking for in the DL, especially at the 1 Tech.

Hill has a lot of competition to overcome. I think people underestimate the talent level we already have. Hill, in my opinion is a POTENTIAL pick; meaning he was not bought in for instant impact but for future impact. He is raw and needs refining. He will be better by the end of the season.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So the top two defensive linemen of your last three drafts can't dress out on game day.

That defines the word 'bust'.

FACT!!!

Is there any wonder why people want Merinelli gone? He keeps blowing the Dline draft picks which are supposed to be his forte.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Let's just say he wasn't a steal. Nevertheless, it remains to be seen if he just needs time for development or not. It takes time to determine that!

Yep, but there is ANOTHER side to this equation. We have a bigger need or similar need at safety and these guys passed on two very good prospects that fell into our lap.

Which indicates one of two things:

1. They had decided to take Hill no matter what if he was there regardless of who was on the board

or

2. They thought Hill was SUCH A GOOD prospect that he was better then everyone on the board at the time.

If its 1, then its a bad draft strategy. This is where you get into trouble reaching. See Taco.

If its 2 then up to this point it was poor analysis. Because the guy isn't showing much.

 

[Bullflop]

Yep, but there is ANOTHER side to this equation. We have a bigger need or similar need at safety and these guys passed on two very good prospects that fell into our lap.

Which indicates one of two things:

1. They had decided to take Hill no matter what if he was there regardless of who was on the board

or

2. They thought Hill was SUCH A GOOD prospect that he was better then everyone on the board at the time.

If its 1, then its a bad draft strategy. This is where you get into trouble reaching. See Taco.

If its 2 then up to this point it was poor analysis. Because the guy isn't showing much.

Agreed. I was in favor of drafting the S that most of us had in mind but, as you know, we're famous for drafting for need. And so it goes.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Agreed. I was in favor of drafting the S that most of us had in mind but, as you know, we're famous for drafting to fill a need. And so it goes.

Just think how good this defense would be if you subtract heath and put in a budding young center fielder with talent and ball hawking skills? Maybe we will get lucky with that 6th rounder S that looked so good in preseason.

 

[Bullflop]

Just think how good this defense would be if you subtract heath and put in a budding young center fielder with talent and ball hawking skills? Maybe we will get lucky with that 6th rounder S that looked so good in preseason.

So far, he's performed well, up until he got hurt. I'm also hoping it works out, as well.

We haven't seen the last of Donovan Wilson, I'm sure. Let's see where that takes us.

 

[gmoney112]

I think Hill actually becomes pretty good. He's 21, and athleticism + hustle was never a problem. Explosivr first step, etc. He's a very athletic 300+ pound dude, young, and everything I read on him said he had a great motor. Even the stuff about him "mentally", was just a 20 year old dude more pissed about his role and not being able to transfer with his old coach, the best Coach in UCF history, and someone I'm sure ended up somewhat a legend there after what he did for that team.

Maybe he just ends up being too impulsive to learn, I don't know. But, there were plenty of questions about Taco, I actually preferred Watt too and imagining him on this team gives me heartburn so I just avoid it, but I don't really have the same concerns for Hill that I did for Taco.

He has the upper percentile attributes that Taco didn't have, he was widely regarded as having an explosive step and a great motor. His ability to be patient and apply teaching while doing the necessary training will be most important, but we can work with that.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think Hill actually becomes pretty good. He's 21, and athleticism + hustle was never a problem. Explosivr first step, etc. He's a very athletic 300+ pound dude, young, and everything I read on him said he had a great motor. Even the stuff about him "mentally", was just a 20 year old dude more pissed about his role and not being able to transfer with his old coach, the best Coach in UCF history, and someone I'm sure ended up somewhat a legend there after what he did for that team.

Maybe he just ends up being too impulsive to learn, I don't know. But, there were plenty of questions about Taco, I actually preferred Watt too and imagining him on this team gives me heartburn so I just avoid it, but I don't really have the same concerns for Hill that I did for Taco.

He has the upper percentile attributes that Taco didn't have, he was widely regarded as having an explosive step and a great motor. His ability to be patient and apply teaching while doing the necessary training will be most important, but we can work with that.

He definitely needs a year. Upper body appears small and weak for the NFL. He needs good coaching as well to work on the raw technique.

 

[Alexander]

I will just leave this here.

 

[Mr_437]

I think Hill was drafted as a project because all we heard were his traits like he was a 5th rounder. At that point in the draft, there's guys who have traits, production, proper attitude...the whole 9, I mean some decorated guys. Instead they draft a guy who didn't start and had poor stats/production.

So we have to wait for this project to improve...best thing to do imo is to forget about dude until he active, which, should be mid-season.

 

[Whyjerry]

Yes. That’s the point. It was a huge reach. Maybe it will pay off, maybe it won’t.

So many urged patience with Taco and so far that patience has been misplaced. The dude has bust written all over him at this point.

This could be more of the same. It’s sure not looking good. Yeah, Hill could end up being all that and a bag of chips. But so far, it’s not looking like a good pick. Most of us were like *** when he was picked. Very few were on the Hill bandwagon. And probably rightly so.

Especially after watching Heath flail around Sunday. That was another embarrassing performance.

 

[gimmesix]

Maybe. But you don’t take a gamble on a late around talent in the second round. If you are going to gamble you gamble on a top player like (Jaylon —or even Gregory) in the second if you are going to gamble.

Hill wasn’t on the radar like Jaylon or even Gregory.

I have not seen anything to indicate that Hill is a late-round talent. There may have been some draft pundits who had him down as one, but a few years ago, they also had Travis Frederick as a third-rounder.

Value is always debatable, along with whether any other team would have taken the player that high. Here's what one draft site had to say about Hill's value:

Trysten Hill is flying up draft boards, and it really is difficult to know where his draft stock will land. In the past couple seasons, the players to have their stock skyrocket have been Tyus Bowser and Marcus Davenport. They were drafted 47th and 14th, respectively. Bowser’s landing spot is more likely where we will see Hill get drafted, but he would be of good value in the late second round to third round. He is also a scheme specific player, and he could very well be worthy of an earlysecond-round selection to the right team.

Also, it was pretty clear during the draft that he was who we wanted to take in the second round, so Dallas' attention was squarely on him just like it was on LVE in the first round the previous year.

 

[Rockport]

Way too early for you yahoos to give up on a rookie.

 

[Rayman70]

Hill is right where I expected him to be at this point. Its delusional for fans to think he was gonna walk in here and start and be all pro day 1. That's not how this works typically. The 1 and 3 tech is one of the hardest positions for a rook to re-learn if you will. I say that because in the pro's, everyone you face is good...no cream puffs. So he has to learn what works,what doesn't. He is learning and getting stronger. Gonna take him 2 years...then that 3rd year I see him making huge strides. We need to be real.

 

[Rayman70]

Way too early for you yahoos to give up on a rookie.

^that^

 

[Rayman70]

I will just leave this here.

what did he do week 1? that's ALL I CARE ABOUT.

 

[Rayman70]

BTW...WE have a rookie safety in Donovan Wilson that grades out nearly as well thank you. He will likely see plenty of PT soon. So I didn't mind drafting Hill after I saw Wilson. That guy can be a stud and just needs reps in a game. He will be a very nice upgrade from Heath.