USAToday: How Dak Prescott's limitations hindered Moore's play-calling

[superonyx]

There's a coaching problem if, in 4 years in the NFL, Dak hasn't been properly taught & comfortable enough to throw passes after taking snaps under center. That's pretty sad.

Well apparently he can. But only if he fakes the handoff on his way back from Center.

this makes no sense.

If this is what they are selling then I am not buying it.

 

[mahoneybill]

The issues was the Saints defense out performed the offense on ALL 3 LEVELS. The OL got their butt handed to them. Zeke could not run through clog lanes. The WRs and TEs struggled all night to get separation. The Saints did a great job disguising the coverage schemes and constantly bailed out to Cover 2 specifically designed to take away the deep ball. Dak did not have anywhere to throw. Add in Zeke not having holes or unable to produce much makes for a low scoring game.

Great summary. New Orleans would shift defenses whenever we audibled. Someone scouted our tendency on that and where our running plays go as they were there to stop Zeke on more than one occasion or limit it to his body lean extra couple of yards...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

you wanted NEW and the first 3 games was Moores view of the offense disguising runs and certain pass plays coming out of the shotgun.. its the new way of the NFL..they are not just passing on shotgun snaps and are not running the same plays each time from the same look..

Id say NO not he issue, predictability comes from when you run plays out of what formations against what defense alignments..

we lost last week because the players didnt execute well.. made many mistakes… thats it..

if 90% of the time you are under center, you run "run" plays, then it makes you predictable.

it didn't say you don't run from shot gun.....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Read it already.

So we are to believe that Garrett, Moore and Kitna worked all offseason and summer on Dak's mechanics, footing & throwing motion, but they never worked on Dak taking 5 - 7 standard dropbacks and throwing from under Center?

What a bunch of baloney with the red string still wrapped around it.

no one said they didn't...it talks about predictability of plays from under center, with numbers from last 4 games and last 4 years....

 

[America's Cowboy]

no one said they didn't...but we have run 9 plays from under center this year in 4 games....

Is that on Dak or Moore?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This is the fault of the coaches if you ask me.

Unless I can see numbers that show Dak is less effective under center when he does pass.

To me this screams that the offense could use play action with him under center and really have some success if the coaches would make it happen.

I also think that’s being under center is a bit of a dying art. More and more offenses are operating almost strictly out of the shotgun. For better or worse....

I thought the same thing....there was no numbers about passing success from under center...its just that we pass less....

 

[Proof]

Solid thread and conversation point. Lost all credibility with the Dak lovers nonsense though.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Is that on Dak or Moore?

I was incorrect...we ran more plays from under center, we passed 9 times from under center, that's the predictability of the offense. if Dak is under center, just play the run....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Solid thread and conversation point. Lost all credibility with the Dak lovers nonsense though.

sorry, had to throw that in there.....

 

[ItzKelz]

So when things go well it is because of Moore and when things don't go well it's because of Dak..... that's original

 

[cheyennes]

We ran some play action pass under center.
With shoot formations we gain qb option to run, pass, rb play or qb run. Defense need one player with the qb.
The big problem for me was, only ran in the box, no play action, no rpo, no screens, no read options, the NO defense was to happy.

 

[Bigdog]

Read it already.

So we are to believe that Garrett, Moore and Kitna worked all offseason and summer on Dak's mechanics, footing & throwing motion, but they never worked on Dak taking 5 - 7 standard dropbacks and throwing from under Center?

What a bunch of baloney with the red string still wrapped around it.

I was thinking the same thing. Peyton Manning would work on this all the time.

 

[kumizi]

I have no idea if this is true. I'm going to assume it is. "In 44 games, he has never dropped back and passed after taking the snap from under center more than three or four times in game. When he was a rookie, it was sometimes never and often only once a game...…"

That is mind blowing.

 

[OmerV]

There might be a small bit to be learned from this, but mostly it seems to be overa. First, much of the time they run a play with Dak under center it is a short yardage situation anyway, so of course they will run or throw a quick short yardage pass most of the time. Second, it's illogical to take it as certainty that because the team chooses to use the shotgun as its primary passing formation it means Dak cannot execute a 5 or 7 step drop.

 

[mmohican29]

The issues was the Saints defense out performed the offense on ALL 3 LEVELS. The OL got their butt handed to them. Zeke could not run through clog lanes. The WRs and TEs struggled all night to get separation. The Saints did a great job disguising the coverage schemes and constantly bailed out to Cover 2 specifically designed to take away the deep ball. Dak did not have anywhere to throw. Add in Zeke not having holes or unable to produce much makes for a low scoring game.

The nonsense of all this. Had Witten not fumbled, Zeke not "fumbled", and the refs had a modicum of objectivity re: Amari vs Lattimore:

These articles aren't written because we probably beat the Saints by 10+.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I was incorrect...we ran more plays from under center, we passed 9 times from under center, that's the predictability of the offense. if Dak is under center, just play the run....

Yep. Dak needs to pass more often from under Center.

 

[Tommy]

There's a coaching problem if, in 4 years in the NFL, Dak hasn't been properly taught & comfortable enough to throw passes after taking snaps under center. That's pretty sad.

So this could never be a talent issue?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So when things go well it is because of Moore and when things don't go well it's because of Dak..... that's original

see, I knew a dak supporter would be offended. no where in the article does it say Dak can't do anything or he is not good...but hey...

it just presented the cowboys offensive tendencies....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

There might be a small bit to be learned from this, but mostly it seems to be overa. First, much of the time they run a play with Dak under center it is a short yardage situation anyway, so of course they will run or throw a quick short yardage pass most of the time. Second, it's illogical to take it as certainty that because the team chooses to use the shotgun as its primary passing formation it means Dak cannot execute a 5 or 7 step drop.

that's a good point, I think down and distance impacts the play call.....dak under center with one yard to go is a threat for him to try and sneak in....

 

[PAPPYDOG]

I wonder if this is true? if yes, then that makes the offense predictable and limits what you can do.

no, this is not a Dak bash thread, but I am sure DakLovers will take it that way...but it may explain some of the predictability of our offense....

"....
allas quarterback Dak Prescott took 18 snaps from under center and 39 in the shotgun. Prescott has been in the shotgun more snaps than under center in every game so far this season, but there has been much more balance in previous games (32-34 against the Giants, 32-36 in Washington, and 32-39 versus the Dolphins.)

The real issue with how the formations are utilized is not so much whether they are in the shotgun more than under center, or vice-versa, but whether it becomes obvious that the offense is going to run from under center and pass from the shotgun.

Former offensive coordinator Scott Linehan was justly criticized for being too predictable. He almost always called passing plays from the shotgun and called mostly running plays when the quarterback was under center...…

...
The most glaring trend detected is that Prescott is rarely asked to drop back and pass after taking the snap from under center.

In 44 games, he has never dropped back and passed after taking the snap from under center more than three or four times in game. When he was a rookie, it was sometimes never and often only once a game...…"


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