This is a week for Dak to shine

[shabazz]

According to some here he is a Franchise 35 million $ QB.
We'll enough of the excuses as Franchise QB win games even in a Not perfect scenario...

......and that 35 Million Dollar man should be able to feast against the Eagles 29th ranked pass defense......but We have receiver and line issues, as if no other teams do,...... so blah blah blah, lets the excuses start now

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

Franchise QBs don't need everything around them functioning to work. "Everyone coming for his head" - uh, that is on Dak then. If you are having all-out blitzes on you, it's on the QB to recognize this and do some pre-snap adjustments. We tend to leave that out when criticizing Dak.

So I guess everyone besides Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, Mahomes(a generational, rare talent), and Brady are not franchise QB's. I have yet to see any other QB than these succeed with garbage around them. Dak, like any other QB gets blitzed and sometimes misses the read, maybe Dak more than others. Do not put this double standard on Dak without applying it to other "franchise" QB's (Watson, Stafford, Cousins, Garoppolo,Brissett/Luck, Care for me to go on?) I hope you know it's hard to find a QB like Mahomes and Rodgers.

 

[mattjames2010]

So I guess everyone besides Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, Mahomes(a generational, rare talent), and Brady are not franchise QB's. I have yet to see any other QB than these succeed with garbage around them. Dak, like any other QB gets blitzed and sometimes misses the read, maybe Dak more than others. Do not put this double standard on Dak without applying it to other "franchise" QB's (Watson, Stafford, Cousins, Garoppolo,Brissett/Luck, Care for me to go on?) I hope you know it's hard to find a QB like Mahomes and Rodgers.

There is no "double standard" on Dak, Dak isn't comparable to Watson or even Stafford. A bad contract to Cousins DOES NOT EXCUSE SETTLING FOR MEDIOCRITY! I already provided stats a couple weeks ago, Dak since his second season compares most to players like Dalton and Mariota and Smith. I don't want to be strapped to a player like Dalton for freakin' years waiting for everything to "click" - if we just get him "this" and we just get him "that" THEN he will be THE guy. No, franchise QBs elevates the players around them. Franchise QBs get through adversity. Franchise QBs don't need all-pros all around them to perform at a high level.

The denial on this board needs to end and fans saying crap like this needs to be shamed. We're the Dallas Cowboys, we've Super Bowl winning QBs in the past. We don't settle for middling around him and you should demand more.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

There is no "double standard" on Dak, Dak isn't comparable to Watson or even Stafford. A bad contract to Cousins DOES NOT EXCUSE SETTLING FOR MEDIOCRITY! I already provided stats a couple weeks ago, Dak since his second season compares most to players like Dalton and Mariota and Smith. I don't want to be strapped to a player like Dalton for freakin' years waiting for everything to "click" - if we just get him "this" and we just get him "that" THEN he will be THE guy. No, franchise QBs elevates the players around them. Franchise QBs get through adversity. Franchise QBs don't need all-pros all around them to perform at a high level.

The denial on this board needs to end and fans saying crap like this needs to be shamed. We're the Dallas Cowboys, we've Super Bowl winning QBs in the past. We don't settle for middling around him and you should demand more.

 

[blueblood70]

......and that 35 Million Dollar man should be able to feast against the Eagles 29th ranked pass defense......but We have receiver and line issues, as if no other teams do,...... so blah blah blah, lets the excuses start now

first off you have to be able to BLOCK longer then 2 secs to throw downfield...

secondly you have to sell the run for PA/RPOs, so Run first needs to be a point of emoahiss as Run blocking is supposed to be easier on the fill ins..


Latly the defense , can we please not get 3 scores down before we buck up? its kind of hard to any of the above if your offense all of suden is playing from 3 scores down in the first freakin half!!

so the TEAM its time to shine.. this is a turning point of the season and a must win at home for the outright divsion lead..

we need a clean(free of penalties and Tos) , well executed gameplan to win..

Its nice to shuv it all on Dak but he needs help.. No startingtackles, 2 starting WRs gone and defense that wait until the second half to start playing is tough to overcome..

 

[PAPPYDOG]

first off you have to be able to BLOCK longer then 2 secs to throw downfield...

secondly you have to sell the run for PA/RPOs, so Run first needs to be a point of emoahiss as Run blocking is supposed to be easier on the fill ins..


Latly the defense , can we please not get 3 scores down before we buck up? its kind of hard to any of the above if your offense all of suden is playing from 3 scores down in the first freakin half!!

so the TEAM its time to shine.. this is a turning point of the season and a must win at home for the outright divsion lead..

we need a clean(free of penalties and Tos) , well executed gameplan to win..

Its nice to shuv it all on Dak but he needs help.. No startingtackles, 2 starting WRs gone and defense that wait until the second half to start playing is tough to overcome..

Then Dak should take 15 million a year so we can get more talent around him!

 

[PAPPYDOG]

going to be tough to run against that line.

The defensive backfield is straight trash though. If Dak lays an egg in this game, then you have to really worry and be looking for another QB

Our Franchise QB is facing the 29th passing defense in the NFL.
He should pass all night long if in fact, he is a FRANCHISE QB.

 

[blueblood70]

Then Dak should take 15 million a year so we can get more talent around him!

we know your distain for Dak but it borderlines on ridiculous, no starter with his record will take that or be offered it.. how about ales dramatic contract suggestion with fact based reality behind it..

Im not a dak apologist or hater , hes good starter at worse hes top 15 at his best top 10, hes next man up at the QB postion and we all know that hovering around 30mil minimum. he will get that at minimum..

this is the reality of the QB postion for good starters.. buckle up he will get more then you are hoping for and most likely be here another 4 years lol like it or hate it its the QB market now.. im hoping Jerry and Co dont give him the 34 with 111 guaranteed to slightly go more then wentz and goff, its possible.. that would be bad but what can we as fans do..? NOTHING

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

There is no "double standard" on Dak, Dak isn't comparable to Watson or even Stafford. A bad contract to Cousins DOES NOT EXCUSE SETTLING FOR MEDIOCRITY! I already provided stats a couple weeks ago, Dak since his second season compares most to players like Dalton and Mariota and Smith. I don't want to be strapped to a player like Dalton for freakin' years waiting for everything to "click" - if we just get him "this" and we just get him "that" THEN he will be THE guy. No, franchise QBs elevates the players around them. Franchise QBs get through adversity. Franchise QBs don't need all-pros all around them to perform at a high level.

The denial on this board needs to end and fans saying crap like this needs to be shamed. We're the Dallas Cowboys, we've Super Bowl winning QBs in the past. We don't settle for middling around him and you should demand more.

(Sorry for formatting, kinda hard to format on this site)
Anyways, Let's compare QB's, mkay? I want no excuses FOR ANY QB'S LISTED BELOW SINCE DAK GETS NO EXCUSES EITHER.

Russell Wilson Stats (First 3 Season with No Jerry Jones or Jason Garrett Present):

2012: 2013 2014
Games:16 l Games:16 l Games: 16 l
Attempts: 393 l Attempts: 407 l Attempts: 452 l
Completions: 252 l Completions: 257 l Completions: 285 l
Completion Percentage: 64.1 l Completion Percentage: 63.1 l Completion Percentage: 63.1 l
Att/G: 24.6 l Att/G: 25.4 l Att/G: 28.2 l
Yards: 3,118 l Yards: 3,357 l Yards: 3,475 l
Average yards per throw: 7.9 l Average yards per throw: 8.2 l Average yards per throw: 7.7 l
Yards per game: 194.9 l Yards per game: 209.8 l Yards per game: 217.2 l
Touchdowns: 26 l Touchdowns: 26 l Touchdowns: 20 l
TD%: 6.6 l TD%: 6.4 l TD %: 4.4 l
Interceptions: 10 l Interceptions: 9 Interceptions 7 l
Interception %: 2.5 l Interception %: 2.2 Interception %: 1.5
Lng: 67 l Lng: 80T l Lng: 80T l
20+: 42 l 20+: 49 l 20+: 54 l
40+: 11 l 40+: 10 l 40+: 8 l
Sacks: 33 l Sacks: 44 l Sacks: 42 l
Rate: 100.0 l Rate: 101.2 l Rate: 95.0 l

Dak's First 3 Season's
2016: 2017: 2018:
Games:16 l Games:16 l Games: 16 l
Attempts: 459 l Attempts: 490 l Attempts: 526 l
Completions: 311 l Completions: 308 l Completions: 356 l
Completion Percentage: 67.8 l Completion Percentage: 62.9 l Completion Percentage: 67.7 l
Att/G: 28.7 l Att/G: 30.6 l Att/G: 32.9 l
Yards: 3,667 l Yards: 3,324 l Yards: 3,885 l
Average yards per throw: 8.0 l Average yards per throw: 6.8 l Average yards per throw: 7.4 l
Yards per game: 229.2 l Yards per game: 207.8 l Yards per game: 242.8 l
Touchdowns: 23 l Touchdowns: 22 l Touchdowns: 22 l
TD%: 5.0 l TD%: 4.5 l TD %: 4.2 l
Interceptions: 4 l Interceptions: 13 l Interceptions 8 l
Interception %: 0.9 l Interception %: 2.7 l Interception %: 1.5
Lng: 83T l Lng: 81T l Lng: 90T l
20+: 38 l 20+: 34 l 20+: 39 l
40+: 8 l 40+: 8 l 40+: 9 l
Sacks: 25 l Sacks: 32 l Sacks: 56 l
Rate: 104.9 l Rate: 86.6 l Rate: 96.9 l

Marcus Mariota:
2015: 2016: 2017:
Games:12 l Games: 15 l Games: 15 l
Attempts: 370 l Attempts: 451 l Attempts: 453 l
Completions: 230 l Completions: 276 l Completions: 281 l
Completion Percentage: 62.2 l Completion Percentage: 61.2 l Completion Percentage: 62.0 l
Att/G: 30.8 l Att/G: 30.6 l Att/G: 30.2 l
Yards: 2,818 l Yards: 3,426 l Yards: 3,232 l
Average yards per throw: 7.6 l Average yards per throw: 7.6 l Average yards per throw: 7.1 l
Yards per game: 234.8 l Yards per game: 228.4 l Yards per game: 215.5 l
Touchdowns: 19 l Touchdowns: 5.8 Touchdowns: 13 l
TD%: 5.1 l TD%: 2.6 TD %: 2.9 l
Interceptions: 10 l Interceptions: 9 Interceptions: 15 l
Interception %: 2.7 l Interception %: 2.0 Interception %: 3.3 l
Lng: 61T l Lng: 60 l Lng: 75T l
20+: 40 l 20+: 50 l 20+: 39 l
40+: 4 l 40+: 7 l 40+: 6 l
Sacks: 38 l Sacks: 23 l Sacks: 27 l
Rate: 91.5 l Rate: 95.6 l Rate: 79.3 l

Andy Dalton
2011: 2012: 2013:
Games: 16 l Games: 16 l Games: 16 l
Attempts: 516 l Attempts: 528 l Attempts: 586 l
Completions: 300 l Completions: 329 l Completions: 363 l
Completion Percentage: 58.1 l Completion Percentage: 62.3 l Completion Percentage: 61.9 l
Att/G: 32.2 l Att/G: 33.0 l Att/G: 36.6 l
Yards: 32.2 l Yards: 3,669 l Yards: 4,293 l
Average yards per throw: 6.6 l Average yards per throw: 6.9 l Average yards per throw: 7.3 l
Yards per game: 212.2 l Yards per game: 229.3 l Yards per game: 268.3 l
Touchdowns: 20 l Touchdowns: 27 l Touchdowns: 33 l
TD%: 3.9 l TD%: 5.1 l TD %: 5.6 l
Interceptions: 13 l Interceptions: 16 l Interceptions: 20 l
Interception %: 2.5 l Interception %: 3.0 l Interception %: 3.4 l
Lng: 84 l Lng: 59T l Lng: 82T l
20+: 48 l 20+: 37 l 20+: 56 l
40+: 10 l 40+: 12 l 40+: 15 l
Sacks: 24 l Sacks: 46 l Sacks: 29 l
Rate: 80.4 l Rate: 87.4 l Rate: 88.8 l

So yes. Dak is very similar to Mariota and Dalton. Moreso than Wilson, wouldn't ya say? Don't say incompetent stuff unless you have the stats to back it up. Dak is closer to Russell's first 3 seasons than anything. I want no excuses for these QB's either since Dak doesn't get any. Good day.​

 

[shabazz]

first off you have to be able to BLOCK longer then 2 secs to throw downfield...

secondly you have to sell the run for PA/RPOs, so Run first needs to be a point of emoahiss as Run blocking is supposed to be easier on the fill ins..


Latly the defense , can we please not get 3 scores down before we buck up? its kind of hard to any of the above if your offense all of suden is playing from 3 scores down in the first freakin half!!

so the TEAM its time to shine.. this is a turning point of the season and a must win at home for the outright divsion lead..

we need a clean(free of penalties and Tos) , well executed gameplan to win..

Its nice to shuv it all on Dak but he needs help.. No startingtackles, 2 starting WRs gone and defense that wait until the second half to start playing is tough to overcome..

I don't normally shove it all on Dakota, but this is a Dak thread.

Other non Dakota threads get not Dakota comments

 

[blueblood70]

I don't normally shove it all on Dakota, but this is a Dak thread.

Other non Dakota threads get not Dakota comments

no its a thread thats dumping ridiculous expectations on a QB without mentioning the TEAM concept of all stepping up to win against the eagles.. Dak being part of team, being on offense missing KEY pieces etc , its a necessary reminder to mention the 3 game slide is a team issue , not a dak issue..

so ill post whatever, wherever, and however I choose... its free country even in CZ..

 

[PAPPYDOG]

we know your distain for Dak but it borderlines on ridiculous, no starter with his record will take that or be offered it.. how about ales dramatic contract suggestion with fact based reality behind it..

Im not a dak apologist or hater , hes good starter at worse hes top 15 at his best top 10, hes next man up at the QB postion and we all know that hovering around 30mil minimum. he will get that at minimum..

this is the reality of the QB postion for good starters.. buckle up he will get more then you are hoping for and most likely be here another 4 years lol like it or hate it its the QB market now.. im hoping Jerry and Co dont give him the 34 with 111 guaranteed to slightly go more then wentz and goff, its possible.. that would be bad but what can we as fans do..? NOTHING

30 Million is not the minimum wage for QB bud. That kinda money is given to FRANCHISE QB which Dak has yet to prove he is.
Now all those wins you can thank Zeke as Dak is 1-9 when he is under 75 yards for the game.
Where is that contract by the way, nowhere as Jerry and Son also have doubts as this would have been a done deal in the Spring?
We are America's Team bud understand the significance of those words and then you will understand that Dak has no business leading this team as his shoulders simply cannot carry the load!!!!!!
Let's see how many FG we kick on Sunday night and how many excuses you will find for another poor offensive showing.

 

[shabazz]

Our Franchise QB is facing the 29th passing defense in the NFL.
He should pass all night long if in fact, he is a FRANCHISE QB.

....and hes getting better as we face tougher teams. True sign of a franchise 35 million dollar man. Putting the team on his back and getting wins through intangibles like, commanding the huddle and community outreach and commercials

 

[shabazz]

no its a thread thats dumping ridiculous expectations on a QB without mentioning the TEAM concept of all stepping up to win against the eagles.. Dak being part of team, being on offense missing KEY pieces etc , its a necessary reminder to mention the 3 game slide is a team issue , not a dak issue..

so ill post whatever, wherever, and however I choose... its free country even in CZ..

never told you not to. Just told you how I chose to post in this Free Country forum. Post yourself silly; this isn't China, ( oops I mean the NBA)

 

[blueblood70]

30 Million is not the minimum wage for QB bud. That kinda money is given to FRANCHISE QB which Dak has yet to prove he is.
Now all those wins you can thank Zeke as Dak is 1-9 when he is under 75 yards for the game.
Where is that contract by the way, nowhere as Jerry and Son also have doubts as this would have been a done deal in the Spring?
We are America's Team bud understand the significance of those words and then you will understand that Dak has no business leading this team as his shoulders simply cannot carry the load!!!!!!
Let's see how many FG we kick on Sunday night and how many excuses you will find for another poor offensive showing.

Dak is a FQB just because hes not elite, not top 5 doesnt mean hes not Franchise.. sorry that is not how this works.. they have proven they can win with him, thats a franchise starter.. there are at minimum 17-20 starting qbs hes better then, some are already making 28 mil per year, inflation says he is due 30, ie going rate for affront line starter regardless of whether hes Elite or not..its the state of the QB market..

again odd you think if you hope it to reality that it will happen, no he will sign for 30 minimum or get the FT at close to the same number..

we as fans cant control that..

 

[mattjames2010]

(Sorry for formatting, kinda hard to format on this site)
Anyways, Let's compare QB's, mkay? I want no excuses FOR ANY QB'S LISTED BELOW SINCE DAK GETS NO EXCUSES EITHER.

Russell Wilson Stats (First 3 Season with No Jerry Jones or Jason Garrett Present):

2012: 2013 2014
Games:16 Games:16 Games: 16
Attempts: 393 Attempts: 407 Attempts: 452
Completions: 252 Completions: 257 Completions: 285
Completion Percentage: 64.1 Completion Percentage: 63.1 Completion Percentage: 63.1
Att/G: 24.6 Att/G: 25.4 Att/G: 28.2
Yards: 3,118 Yards: 3,357 Yards: 3,475
Average yards per throw: 7.9 Average yards per throw: 8.2 Average yards per throw: 7.7
Yards per game: 194.9 Yards per game: 209.8 Yards per game: 217.2
Touchdowns: 26 Touchdowns: 26 Touchdowns: 20
TD%: 6.6 TD%: 6.4 TD %: 4.4
Interceptions: 10 Interceptions: 9 Interceptions 7
Interception %: 2.5 Interception %: 2.2 Interception %: 1.5
Lng: 67 Lng: 80T Lng: 80T
20+: 42 20+: 49 20+: 54
40+: 11 40+: 10 40+: 8
Sacks: 33 Sacks: 44 Sacks: 42
Rate: 100.0 Rate: 101.2 Rate: 95.0

Dak's First 3 Season's
2016: 2017: 2018:
Games:16 Games:16 Games: 16
Attempts: 459 Attempts: 490 Attempts: 526
Completions: 311 Completions: 308 Completions: 356
Completion Percentage: 67.8 Completion Percentage: 62.9 Completion Percentage: 67.7
Att/G: 28.7 Att/G: 30.6 Att/G: 32.9
Yards: 3,667 Yards: 3,324 Yards: 3,885
Average yards per throw: 8.0 Average yards per throw: 6.8 Average yards per throw: 7.4
Yards per game: 229.2 Yards per game: 207.8 Yards per game: 242.8
Touchdowns: 23 Touchdowns: 22 Touchdowns: 22
TD%: 5.0 TD%: 4.5 TD %: 4.2
Interceptions: 4 Interceptions: 13 Interceptions 8
Interception %: 0.9 Interception %: 2.7 Interception %: 1.5
Lng: 83T Lng: 81T Lng: 90T
20+: 38 20+: 34 20+: 39
40+: 8 40+: 8 40+: 9
Sacks: 25 Sacks: 32 Sacks: 56
Rate: 104.9 Rate: 86.6 Rate: 96.9

Marcus Mariota:
2015: 2016: 2017:
Games:12 Games: 15 Games: 15
Attempts: 370 Attempts: 451 Attempts: 453
Completions: 230 Completions: 276 Completions: 281
Completion Percentage: 62.2 Completion Percentage: 61.2 Completion Percentage: 62.0
Att/G: 30.8 Att/G: 30.6 Att/G: 30.2
Yards: 2,818 Yards: 3,426 Yards: 3,232
Average yards per throw: 7.6 Average yards per throw: 7.6 Average yards per throw: 7.1
Yards per game: 234.8 Yards per game: 228.4 Yards per game: 215.5
Touchdowns: 19 Touchdowns: 5.8 Touchdowns: 13
TD%: 5.1 TD%: 2.6 TD %: 2.9
Interceptions: 10 Interceptions: 9 Interceptions: 15
Interception %: 2.7 Interception %: 2.0 Interception %: 3.3
Lng: 61T Lng: 60 Lng: 75T
20+: 40 20+: 50 20+: 39
40+: 4 40+: 7 40+: 6
Sacks: 38 Sacks: 23 Sacks: 27
Rate: 91.5 Rate: 95.6 Rate: 79.3

Andy Dalton
2011: 2012: 2013:
Games: 16 Games: 16 Games: 16
Attempts: 516 Attempts: 528 Attempts: 586
Completions: 300 Completions: 329 Completions: 363
Completion Percentage: 58.1 Completion Percentage: 62.3 Completion Percentage: 61.9
Att/G: 32.2 Att/G: 33.0 Att/G: 36.6
Yards: 32.2 Yards: 3,669 Yards: 4,293
Average yards per throw: 6.6 Average yards per throw: 6.9 Average yards per throw: 7.3
Yards per game: 212.2 Yards per game: 229.3 Yards per game: 268.3
Touchdowns: 20 Touchdowns: 27 Touchdowns: 33
TD%: 3.9 TD%: 5.1 TD %: 5.6
Interceptions: 13 Interceptions: 16 Interceptions: 20
Interception %: 2.5 Interception %: 3.0 Interception %: 3.4
Lng: 84 Lng: 59T Lng: 82T
20+: 48 20+: 37 20+: 56
40+: 10 40+: 12 40+: 15
Sacks: 24 Sacks: 46 Sacks: 29
Rate: 80.4 Rate: 87.4 Rate: 88.8

So yes. Dak is very similar to Mariota and Dalton. Moreso than Wilson, wouldn't ya say? Don't say incompetent stuff unless you have the stats to back it up. Dak is closer to Russell's first 3 seasons than anything. I want no excuses for these QB's either since Dak doesn't get any. Good day.​

Russel Wilson had 393 pass attempts and 26 TDs in his rookie season. Dak had 459 pass attempts for 23 TDs. Russel Wilson had a 101.2 rating with 26 TD passes on 407 passing attempts and a Super Bowl win his sophomore year, Prescott had a an 86.6 rating, 22 passing TDs on 490 attempts. The only comparable year between Prescott was Wilson's third season, but even then, Wilson tore it up on the ground with over 118 rushing attempts 800+ yards and 6 rushing TDs. Prescott is now in his 4th season, at this point, Wilson went from a great QB to an elite. Dak has not done this this year.

You're not factoring in pass attempts. Prescott has a low average of TD passes on the number of time he throws the ball compared to Wilson. Again, he compares far more to Smith and Mariota

 

[blueblood70]

never told you not to. Just told you how I chose to post in this Free Country forum. Post yourself silly; this isn't China, ( oops I mean the NBA)

good one..

 

[mattjames2010]

Dak is a FQB just because hes not elite, not top 5 doesnt mean hes not Franchise.. sorry that is not how this works.. they have proven they can win with him, thats a franchise starter.. there are at minimum 17-20 starting qbs hes better then, some are already making 28 mil per year, inflation says he is due 30, ie going rate for affront line starter regardless of whether hes Elite or not..its the state of the QB market..

again odd you think if you hope it to reality that it will happen, no he will sign for 30 minimum or get the FT at close to the same number..

we as fans cant control that..

He's not asking for just "good money" - he is asking for money comparable to Wilson who is the frountrunner to be NFL MVP. Your argument is garbage because teams overpaid for a QB like Cousins.

You don't have to imitate bad franchises, that's the brilliance of contracts and FA.

 

[NorthoftheRedRiver]

I'll be happy if Dak's not running for his life as soon as the ball is snapped to him.

 

[mattjames2010]

I'll be happy if Dak's not running for his life as soon as the ball is snapped to him.

Then he needs to learn how to identify a freakin' blitz.