I grow more and more frustrated with Rod Marinelli

[Stash]

After reflecting on yesterday's Jamal Adams trade deadline scramble, several things occurred to me.

1. The idea that the Cowboys were willing to give up next year's 1st rounder as well as a 4th or 5th rounder for a safety represents a huge shift in prior thinking going back to the draft, when they passed on Juan Thornhill for everyone's favorite gameday inactive, Trysten Hill.
2. Tyrone Crawford - after a poor start - is now on IR, along with the $10 million that the decision to keep him cost this team. His Cowboys career and NFL career entirely, likely over. And yet we heard and continue to hear how "valuable" and irreplaceable the guy was? Meanwhile, the defensive line continues to perform better when the guy isn't on the field?
3. Taco Charlton. Exactly how many 2017 1st round picks have been released to this point without suspensions or injury being the reason? And again, who was it that overruled the scouts on draft day to draft Taco over TJ Watt.

With every one of these moves, and counter-moves needed as a result, I grow more and more frustrated with Rod Marinelli. I connect every one of this team's biggest faults, failings, and issues directly to decisions he was instrumental in making. And those are just the 'big three". We can also look at all of the disappointments that have come and go during his time here as well, like Cedric Thornton, Stephen Paea, Henry Melton, and plenty more.

I've simply had it with the guy and he's gone from being a top defensive line coach to a serious liability for this organization. They need to stop looking at the distant past and look at what this guy is doing now, and has done over the past several years here. Don't tell me about "Tampa and Chicago", tell me about "Dallas", that's the team I care about.

Like his mentor Monte Kiffin before him, this guy needs to go.

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

FIRE ROD MARINELLI !!!

 

[Ranched]

After reflecting on yesterday's Jamal Adams trade deadline scramble, several things occurred to me. Like his mentor Monte Kiffin before him, this guy needs to go.

This one occurred to me first.

FIRE ROD MARINELLI !!!

He's brutal isn't he lol.

 

[shabazz]

Its cheaper than a hotel

 

[Tangle_Foot]

Damn Stash, I believe you gave me goosebumps

 

[ShiningStar]

im afraid this is starting a new trend of getting rid of our first round picks to take players in positions we should have selected in the first place when the draft falls our way

 

[OmerV]

After reflecting on yesterday's Jamal Adams trade deadline scramble, several things occurred to me.

1. The idea that the Cowboys were willing to give up next year's 1st rounder as well as a 4th or 5th rounder for a safety represents a huge shift in prior thinking going back to the draft, when they passed on Juan Thornhill for everyone's favorite gameday inactive, Trysten Hill.
2. Tyrone Crawford - after a poor start - is now on IR, along with the $10 million that the decision to keep him cost this team. His Cowboys career and NFL career entirely, likely over. And yet we heard and continue to hear how "valuable" and irreplaceable the guy was? Meanwhile, the defensive line continues to perform better when the guy isn't on the field?
3. Taco Charlton. Exactly how many 2017 1st round picks have been released to this point without suspensions or injury being the reason? And again, who was it that overruled the scouts on draft day to draft Taco over TJ Watt.

With every one of these moves, and counter-moves needed as a result, I grow more and more frustrated with Rod Marinelli. I connect every one of this team's biggest faults, failings, and issues directly to decisions he was instrumental in making. And those are just the 'big three". We can also look at all of the disappointments that have come and go during his time here as well, like Cedric Thornton, Stephen Paea, Henry Melton, and plenty more.

I've simply had it with the guy and he's gone from being a top defensive line coach to a serious liability for this organization. They need to stop looking at the distant past and look at what this guy is doing now, and has done over the past several years here. Don't tell me about "Tampa and Chicago", tell me about "Dallas", that's the team I care about.

Like his mentor Monte Kiffin before him, this guy needs to go.

I don't know that the team called Crawford "irreplaceable", but rather just a quality part of the D-Line. Not that I necessarily agree - I believe they definitely overrated (and overpaid) him. To me he was nice to have as versatile depth along the D-Line, but not at $10 million/year. If we were paying him $3 million/year my attitude about him would be different. I don't know that the line has actually played better with him on IR though. Seems it's been pretty porous all season.

 

[zrinkill]

I agree

 

[big dog cowboy]

1. Tyrone Crawford - after a poor start - is now on IR, along with the $10 million that the decision to keep him cost this team. His Cowboys career and NFL career entirely, likely over. And yet we heard and continue to hear how "valuable" and irreplaceable the guy was? Meanwhile, the defensive line continues to perform better when the guy isn't on the field?

I will never understand the Cowboys fascination with Crawford. Is it because he is position flexible? He should have been dealt for a 4th or 5th rounder a couple of years ago. Very overrated by this organization.

 

[Stash]

I don't know that the team called Crawford "irreplaceable", but rather just a quality part of the D-Line. Not that I necessarily agree - I believe they definitely overrated (and overpaid) him. To me he was nice to have as versatile depth along the D-Line, but not at $10 million/year. If we were paying him $3 million/year my attitude about him would be different.

So would mine. But any suggestion that the team should have even considered releasing Crawford (or at least forcing a huge paycut) were met with incredulousness and often-times derision at the 'suggestion'. Who was right and who was wrong? The people that kept him around at $10 million given the offseason issues and injuries look like bumbling buffoons. And they deserve to.

I don't know that the line has actually played better with him on IR though. Seems it's been pretty porous all season.

You can look it up. Their best performances this season have come without Crawford. But even now, they'll connect the Bennett acquisition with somehow need to 'replace Crawford'. They still don't get it. Marinelli most of all.

 

[Stash]

I will never understand the Cowboys fascination with Crawford. Is it because he is position flexible? He should have been dealt for a 4th or 5th rounder a couple of years ago. Very overrated by this organization.

It was one miss after another with him. First they missed by drafting a 3-4 DE and then changing to a 4-3 defense. They should have traded or released him back then. Instead, they compounded the mistake by trying to make a 3T out of him, and paying him like their version of Warren Sapp. They followed that up by reworking his contract and getting stuck into it even further. And then they refused to make the tough decision out of feelings when they should have, millions wasted as a result.

 

[OmerV]

You can look it up. Their best performances this season have come without Crawford. But even now, they'll connect the Bennett acquisition with somehow need to 'replace Crawford'. They still don't get it. Marinelli most of all.

Their 2 best performances against the run were in games 2 and 6, both of which Crawford played in. Of course, their worst performance against the run was in week 1, which Crawford also played in. In all, I think the good and bad were just situational, and did not hinge on Crawford at all. He's depth - not the catalyst for the better performances, nor the cause of the lesser performances.

 

[Stash]

Their 2 best performances against the run were in games 2 and 6, both of which Crawford played in. Of course, their worst performance against the run was in week 1, which Crawford also played in.

And week 5 against Green Bay, which Crawford also played in.

In all, I think the good and bad were just situational, and did not hinge on Crawford at all. He's depth - not the catalyst for the better performances, nor the cause of the lesser performances.

I'm speaking more of their pass rush actually, but as you've said, he's not a positive factor regardless.. They've had better sack numbers without him than with him. Of course a lot of that has to do with getting Quinn in at RDE while getting Crawford out at RDE.

 

[Jake]

After reflecting on yesterday's Jamal Adams trade deadline scramble, several things occurred to me.

1. The idea that the Cowboys were willing to give up next year's 1st rounder as well as a 4th or 5th rounder for a safety represents a huge shift in prior thinking going back to the draft, when they passed on Juan Thornhill for everyone's favorite gameday inactive, Trysten Hill.
2. Tyrone Crawford - after a poor start - is now on IR, along with the $10 million that the decision to keep him cost this team. His Cowboys career and NFL career entirely, likely over. And yet we heard and continue to hear how "valuable" and irreplaceable the guy was? Meanwhile, the defensive line continues to perform better when the guy isn't on the field?
3. Taco Charlton. Exactly how many 2017 1st round picks have been released to this point without suspensions or injury being the reason? And again, who was it that overruled the scouts on draft day to draft Taco over TJ Watt.

With every one of these moves, and counter-moves needed as a result, I grow more and more frustrated with Rod Marinelli. I connect every one of this team's biggest faults, failings, and issues directly to decisions he was instrumental in making. And those are just the 'big three". We can also look at all of the disappointments that have come and go during his time here as well, like Cedric Thornton, Stephen Paea, Henry Melton, and plenty more.

I've simply had it with the guy and he's gone from being a top defensive line coach to a serious liability for this organization. They need to stop looking at the distant past and look at what this guy is doing now, and has done over the past several years here. Don't tell me about "Tampa and Chicago", tell me about "Dallas", that's the team I care about.

Like his mentor Monte Kiffin before him, this guy needs to go.

“They just kind of did what they do. They do it every single week." - Sam Darnold talking about Dallas' defense (checkers)

"I'm seeing ghosts." - Sam Darnold a week later talking about the Patriots' defense (chess)

Yesterday's pursuit of Adams was the icing on the cake. I'd fire Rod today. He's not the key to winning anything of significance.

 

[Kaiser]

I don't know that the team called Crawford "irreplaceable", but rather just a quality part of the D-Line. Not that I necessarily agree - I believe they definitely overrated (and overpaid) him.

What the NFL said about Tyrone Crawford:

"Good versatility and leadership, definitely overpaid"



What CBZ posters said about Tyrone Crawford:

 

[reddyuta]

lets not forget the other dlinemen we drafted under his watch who barely made it to the PS,we continue to hamstring ourselves by listening to this old foggy during draft time.

 

[Dallasfann]

Maybe the team plane will just fall out of the sky and we won't have to worry about anything anymore.

Let's be honest then there will be 100 threads about how ****** the Cowboys pilot is.

 

[Kaiser]

I will never understand the Cowboys fascination with Crawford. Is it because he is position flexible? He should have been dealt for a 4th or 5th rounder a couple of years ago. Very overrated by this organization.

Its like the 6th man in basketball, there is a lot of value in having a starting caliber player who can back up every position. He was way overpaid from his one good 3T season but a 4th round pick is very unlikely to be a starting caliber player - much less one who can start at any of the four DL positions.

 

[darthseinfeld]

After reflecting on yesterday's Jamal Adams trade deadline scramble, several things occurred to me.

1. The idea that the Cowboys were willing to give up next year's 1st rounder as well as a 4th or 5th rounder for a safety represents a huge shift in prior thinking going back to the draft, when they passed on Juan Thornhill for everyone's favorite gameday inactive, Trysten Hill.
2. Tyrone Crawford - after a poor start - is now on IR, along with the $10 million that the decision to keep him cost this team. His Cowboys career and NFL career entirely, likely over. And yet we heard and continue to hear how "valuable" and irreplaceable the guy was? Meanwhile, the defensive line continues to perform better when the guy isn't on the field?
3. Taco Charlton. Exactly how many 2017 1st round picks have been released to this point without suspensions or injury being the reason? And again, who was it that overruled the scouts on draft day to draft Taco over TJ Watt.

With every one of these moves, and counter-moves needed as a result, I grow more and more frustrated with Rod Marinelli. I connect every one of this team's biggest faults, failings, and issues directly to decisions he was instrumental in making. And those are just the 'big three". We can also look at all of the disappointments that have come and go during his time here as well, like Cedric Thornton, Stephen Paea, Henry Melton, and plenty more.

I've simply had it with the guy and he's gone from being a top defensive line coach to a serious liability for this organization. They need to stop looking at the distant past and look at what this guy is doing now, and has done over the past several years here. Don't tell me about "Tampa and Chicago", tell me about "Dallas", that's the team I care about.

Like his mentor Monte Kiffin before him, this guy needs to go.

I was thinking yesterday, they really seemed to want a Safety in the draft last year. They had some guys they seemed to really like fall to them in the 2nd, and passed for Marinelli's guy. And now they are pretty hot on getting a Safety. I wonder if that killed any credibility Marinelli had left

Honestly I think he " retires" after the season

 

[CouchCoach]

It is beyond time for a change but performance is not a requirement of continued employment with this team. They give up 270 yards rushing and get gutted by a backup RB in LA and let the OC go but doesn't that sound like par for the course with this FO? Marinelli and maybe, Richard, should have been fired the day after that game. Hell, why not the entire D staff and send a message of what is acceptable.

There's a phrase many use here "we like our guys". That relates to coaches first and foremost and the requirement is that every coach, just like the HC, knows their primary job, keep the GM happy. That was never more evident in that All or Nothing segment when Booger was addressing Elliott should get a pass for his performance because "he's been through a lot". If you get the chance, take a good look at the coaches faces around that table, that wasn't a request.

Most NFL franchises are about the business of winning. This franchise is not, it's already won and is about the business of making sure the owner is comfortable and happy. He likes Marinelli and Marinelli likes him and doesn't make waves. Things are just fine.