Got stats or tape on the drops?

[Vtwin]

Might have been. I just don't think from what we've seen that Cooper is very good if he has to reach toward his back shoulder. Might be fine on designed back-shoulder throws, but when he has to adjust, he has trouble with them. Probably an eye-hand coordination thing. He has his eyes/mind on what he's going to do after catching the ball and fails to look it in first.

It does seem that way. I always had problems if I had to adjust to the degree of reversing my hands like you often have to do when reaching back.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Drops are only relevant when it's wentz' passes that are dropped.

 

[Sydla]

A gif is posted in this thread. Not the best angle.

It was definitely in the “should have been caught” column.

Not the best angle. Looks like it was a good throw but I was hoping there was one of those end zone camera angles.

 

[LandryFan]

It is Dak's fault that players can't catch balls that hit them in the hands?

Fascinating.

I've noticed that a good number of the "drops" were balls that Dak certainly could have thrown better, but still should have been caught (especially considering they're professional receivers), so one could argue that blame goes to both the receiver and Dak. There have been a fair number of others that were just flat out drops.

 

[OmerV]

Probably. The ones that really make a QB look bad are almost always considered bad throws — passes to where the receiver is supposed to be but he ran the wrong route or didn't run it right.

True. It can be hard to know when that happens, so the QB gets the blame because that's how it appears on the surface..

 

[Vtwin]

They don't assign a drop to every pass that a receiver gets a hand on.

Many are judged as not the receiver's fault. It is the same process that goes into determining errors in baseball.

But hey, thanks for your "contribution"

For such a super smart guy you seem to struggle to comprehend the obvious point.

Thanks for yet another sermon.

 

[LandryFan]

Drops are drops, not bad throws. The QB is responsible for bad throws, but if it is a drop, it's on the receiver, not the QB.

I get what you're saying, but there is a gray line there on a number of them that could logically be argued either way, especially on balls thrown behind a receiver, IMO.

 

[LandryFan]

Some drops are likely thought by some as bad throws too. I think of "drops" as balls that can be caught without an extraordinary effort. The throw doesn't have to be perfect, and as long as the receiver can get both hands on the throw without the need to dive or for a dramatic contortion of the body, it has to be considered a ball that should be caught.

Absolutely agree.

 

[OmerV]

I get what you're saying, but there is a gray line there on a number of them that could logically be argued either way, especially on balls thrown behind a receiver, IMO.

I think people can tell on that for the most part though. There is a notable difference between a receiver who can turn back a little and the ball hits him in both hands versus one that is moving full speed and is lucky to even get a hand on the ball. I think most of Dak's are in the first category - still very catchable, although yardage gained may be cut short by the receiver not being able to catch the ball in full stride. Occasionally the second category applies though. I really didn't see much of either in last night's game though.

 

[LandryFan]

I think people can tell on that for the most part though. There is a notable difference between a receiver who can turn back a little and the ball hits him in both hands versus one that is moving full speed and is lucky to even get a hand on the ball. I think most of Dak's are in the first category - still very catchable, although yardage gained may be cut short by the receiver not being able to catch the ball in full stride. Occasionally the second category applies though. I really didn't see much of either in last night's game though.

No argument from me. I have the same idea of what constitutes a reasonably catchable ball.

 

[Number1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This was a dime by Dak Prescott that Amari Cooper has to catch. <a href="https://t.co/wgzSQuGFEG">pic.twitter.com/wgzSQuGFEG</a></p>&mdash; Marcus Mosher (@Marcus_Mosher) <a href="">November 5, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

it was a dime, nice route and great throw under pressure, bad drop

note, Conner and Tyrone were not on the same page

 

[catiii]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This was a dime by Dak Prescott that Amari Cooper has to catch. <a href="https://t.co/wgzSQuGFEG">pic.twitter.com/wgzSQuGFEG</a></p>&mdash; Marcus Mosher (@Marcus_Mosher) <a href="">November 5, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now THAT Was an extremely difficult pass to throw and well done dak !!! but easily catch-able for a pro WR - Lots of others NFL no-name receivers make that catch. What's wrong with YOU Cooper????????????????????????????????????

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Drops are drops, not bad throws. The QB is responsible for bad throws, but if it is a drop, it's on the receiver, not the QB.

That’s way too simplistic.

Bad throws raise the level of difficulty of making a catch.

 

[OmerV]

That’s way too simplistic.

Bad throws raise the level of difficulty of making a catch.

If the level of difficulty is raised to the point that it takes extraordinary effort to make the catch, then it is a bad throw rather than a drop, but if not, it is a drop. WRs aren't only expected (or paid) to catch perfect passes.

 

[percyhoward]

QB Drop Percentage
2019 (from PFF)
1 Prescott 7.7%
2 Mariota 7.5%
3 Wentz 6.6%
4 Watson 6.3%
5 Bridgewater 6.2%

Prescott's Previous Ranks
2016 27th
2017 9th
2018 23rd

Probably not a Dak thing. He's had two seasons when his receivers were among the league's most sure-handed.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

If the level of difficulty is raised to the point that it takes extraordinary effort to make the catch, then it is a bad throw rather than a drop, but if not, it is a drop. WRs aren't only expected (or paid) to catch perfect passes.

QBs (at least the good ones) are not only expected to just throw it in the vicinity of a WR.

I don’t think most outlets (e.g. Washington Post) that track drops account for the precision of the pass. Some advance metrics factor that in but the stat isn’t simply called “drops.”

 

[OmerV]

QBs (at least the good ones) are not only expected to just throw it in the vicinity of a WR.

I don’t think most outlets (e.g. Washington Post) that track drops account for the precision of the pass. Some advance metrics factor that in but the stat isn’t simply called “drops.”

And Dak doesn’t just do that either. You are trying to twist this into a different discussion. The discussion is about receivers dropping balls that should be caught, but you want to make it a discussion about how Dak isn’t perfect with every throw. But nobody is saying he is.

 

[AbeBeta]

I get what you're saying, but there is a gray line there on a number of them that could logically be argued either way, especially on balls thrown behind a receiver, IMO.

A grey line on some is very different from half being Dak's fault.

 

[Number1]

A grey line on some is very different from half being Dak's fault.

over statement on my part when starting the thread - but I want to see the tape ... again

for example, a replay of the misconnection to Cobb at the goal line last night, how catch-able was that throw?

 

[Runwildboys]

I've seen some of that in the past, but I didn't notice it being a problem last night.

Agreed.