Zeke Overrated and Over Paid?

[Toruk_Makto]

Best blocking RB in the league, top 3 at running the ball, and top 5 at catching the ball out of the back field. I don't really know what else you could ask for in a running back...

In yards per route run Zeke was 24th as a rookie, didn't qualify his 2nd year due to missed games and finished 19th last year. He is far from a top 5 RB out of the backfield.

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

 

[simplycowboys210]

to the boards for starters. You'll find out more down the road that you will talk yourself blue in the face to all the haters. You'll also be able to identify them as well.

After awhile, you'll just get tired of seeing/reading the same posters, post the same hate. Makes one ask themselves if they're even Dallas Cowboys fans or just trolls baiting.

The Zone has a wonderful option. It's in my signature. Once you apply the "ignore" option, you'll never have to see the haters, typo police, know it all's, nor ignorant posters ever again and enjoy the Zone for what it's for. Enjoyment!

thanks bro, I think me and the block button will get familiar very soon LOL. Go Cowboys!

 

[Clove]

Zeke is signed for multiple years, so none of our criticism's or any other commentary matters. He here to stay for now.

 

[StuckMojo]

Zeke is the most complete well rounded back in the league

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Can we revisit this question in Three, four or five years. It’s ludicrous to try to give an opinion on such short sample rate. He was paid as the best because he has demonstrated over the last three years that he is the best. If your just looking at this year then he is top 5 maybe. So can we wait!

 

[simplycowboys210]

Zeke is the most complete well rounded back in the league

PREACH.

 

[simplycowboys210]

Can we revisit this question in Three, four or five years. It’s ludicrous to try to give an opinion on such short sample rate. He was paid as the best because he has demonstrated over the last three years that he is the best. If your just looking at this year then he is top 5 maybe. So can we wait!

I agree. My whole point was he got paid for what he already produced. Now in a couple of years if he doesn’t stay on top of the stats obviously don’t pay him top dollar.

 

[CoachD]

I'm a huge fan of Zeke going all the way back to his last year at Ohio St. where I watched every one of his games and I'll say this he's not breaking off those long runs like we're used to seeing him do. Look at his rookie year, always breaking off at least one big run per game taking it to the house, now we might see him break off say a 15 yard run here and there. No don't get me wrong I still think he's awesome but I need more of those explosive runs to put him back into that dominate category!

 

[CoachD]

PREACH.

And I totally agree with that!

 

[CoachD]

Zeke isn’t better than Barkley.

I disagree, he's the better all-around back. Just like when I tell people I'm taking Emmitt over Barry Sanders every damn day for the same reason!

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Better than the usual.....team sucks, Dak sucks, Garrett sucks, Jerry sucks, everything sucks. last 23 years suck....threads.

LLLOOOLLL

 

[Sarge]

You wrote this as if it were a fact.

Next time a need an opinion (fact) on a player I will know where to go. Being a mod must give you a super power or something really neat-o like that.

Great thanks.

 

[Playmaker3128]

So in a "poor year" he's 7th in rushing. On pace for 1500 yards and 12 touchdowns, and thats bad? Yes his long is only 27 yards, but who cares that just proves my next point.

Zeke has elite vision, change of direction, can hit the hole and punish defenders. He can catch and he can block. Oh and he hasn't missed a game (because of injury) in his career. He is durable... for a RB that is huge. Guys like saquon, fournette, dalvin cook have all been injured already in their careers for multiple games.

This guy is going to have 5500 yards in four career years. If he does that again he's a top 20 rb of all time. Anything more than that he's a sure fire hall of famer.

 

[CouchCoach]

Any RB at that % of the cap is overpaid. But on a team with 4 OL in the top 6 and the top 4/3 DE, that's a luxury item and it will cost the D side of the ball.

I do not think he's overrated, he's a top 5 RB.

He is not a home run hitter, he's a power back and built for the dirty yards. He is also a good blocking back and receiver.

 

[TwoDeep3]

All Zeke threads about overrated and over paid have:

 

[Thomas82]

I hear you.

Allow me add two additional points.

The common perception to being a great back typically combines speed and ability to break tackles. Zeke's detractors point out that Zeke is often through the line before he is even touched. They further claim that Zeke has "lost a step".

It never seems to occur to them that perhaps the greatest RB's, the ones that last a lot longer, have the ability and patience to take a few tenths of a second to determine the best route through a hole and that is why they don't have to break tackles at the line. Rather than concluding that a RB has lost a step, perhaps it is experience that has taught them to allow things to develop.

The best way to illustrate this is the tired old Emmitt/Barry debate. Look, Sanders got the kryp beat out of him, he got tired of it, flat quit, end of story. Emmitt's "vision", that is, ability to find the right hole, kept him healthier, allowed to let him to stay in the game longer. True, he didn't look as dynamic, exciting, all he did was set the all time record. He didn't need the physical gift of elite speed or size like Herchel and Bo, he basically doubled both their careers with football intelligence.

RB's and offensive lines are "chicken and egg" debates when it comes to reason for a RB's success. It is a symbiotic relationship. But what good is a great run offense if the RB can't figure out where to go? Tell me again about the success of Joseph Randle a year after Murray set the all time Cowboy season record with the same line.

The second point involves the basic concept of football, the team with the most points after 60 minutes of play is the winner. This is accomplished by a combination of scoring points and preventing other teams from scoring points.

Zeke is a valuable asset in both of these concepts.

His ability to get every kind of yardage in a consistent manner extends drives, eats up the time of possession, and keeps the opponent offense on the bench. This ability should never, but often is, underestimated.

I'll bet of the Cowboy defense doesn't underestimate it.

These quicker elusive type RB's aren't consistant enough when it comes to extending drives and controllng the TOP

Very well said!!

 

[DandyDon52]

The second person behind him is Todd Gurley, and look how he's performing?? CMC and Cook will get bigger contracts than Gurley 100% next year but I bet you they don't lead the league in rushing two times in three years. I'd bet on that.

Ok first leading the league in rushing is an outdated and over rated stat for a RB. Winning the title doesnt mean much, except that RB gets a lot of carries,
and has a pretty good line.
The title should go to the guy with the highest run average , with x # of carries to qualify. ( I am using 100 carries minimum)
Right now there are 7 guys in front of zeke in run average per carry, and that eliminates the 1 less game you mentioned.
He said he was the best, but here he is # 8 in run average for each carry.
There are 9 RB that have 6 or more TD's like elliot, he is # 5 tied with some other guys with 6 td's
He doesnt have any long runs , 11 guys have longer runs.

Lamar jackson is 637 yds, 6.4 avg, which is # 1, but he has 99 carries lol, so after this next game he may be the # 1 rusher !
Amazing for a QB.

But to me these stats, dont tell the real story, like pretty much no team with the leading rusher most yds has ever won a SB, maybe denver in 99.
And to me it is what a RB does in each game to help his team win, and what do they do in the big games and playoffs.
Elliot sputtered to I think 38 yds in the ram playoff game where opposing backs had over 100 each.
He sputtered again early in year and in the 3 losses, then inflates his stats against the weak nyg.
Not all of it is his fault, he doesnt design or call the plays, but there are some things that make him not so great.

one is his vision, he seems to run into guys instead of making a cut, and cut the wrong way on many runs this year.
He hasnt been reliable on 3rd or 4th and short, he gets some, but at key times in big games he doesnt get it.

His main qualitys are he has power if he gets past the DL, and he has been durable, but has lost his speed and stamina, taking himself out
of games due to out of breath, and that is just not being in proper shape.
He has been catching his breath on sideline when a important 3rd down play is happening.

So is he a good power back? yes
He is the best all around back in the league?....... no this changes all the time, right now CMC is and Chubb 2nd, Cook 3rd, and Ingram 4th.

Was he worth the big contract? no he wasnt
Is he over rated? well that depends on who u ask lol , I think he is over rated but still a good RB.
My other issues with elliot, is his off field issues and character which are both kinda seedy, and his ego is just way out of control, and he
really isnt a team player, he is more out to play for and glorify himself.

 

[DandyDon52]

Aaron Jones

@KC W 31-24 7 159 22.7 avg 2td 67 long receiving yds
KC W 31-24 13 67 5.2 0 9 rushing

@DAL W 34-24 19 107 5.6 avg 4td 18 long rushing yds
receiving 7 75 10.7 0 22
These are 2 games where jones was a huge factor in his team winning a game, and that is more important than overall stats or a rushing title.
if you just look at rushing he doesnt look that great for KC game but if you look at the receiving too it is amazing.
So total yds by a RB is way more important than just a total rush yards deal like a rushing title.
elliot has 827 total yds
jones has 850
I think cmc would still lead in total yds, need to find a site that lists total yds.

 

[jay94]

Were all cowboys fans

we have a running back that gets you 4 yards everytime he touches the ball

About every back in the league averages over 4 ypc, now you get a trophy for that? He's no where near the best back in the league, best oline sure.

 

[CCBoy]

I would like to further discuss this, since I've joined I have seen so many post about "Zeke overrated", "Zeke overpaid", "Zeke is average". Can someone demonstrate to me a person who has two rushing titles(would of had three if it wasn't for bs), and is currently 7th in rushing(game behind some people in front of him), and that makes him AVERAGE? By being 7th in the league that means there are roughly 25 starting RB who have less yards than him. Thats above average by definition people. You know whose getting paid that isn't producing, Todd Gurley.

Long Runs- "We need the home run hitter", "Someone like Saquon that got that speed". Another person said that "Home run RB's win games". LOL, lets examine that shall we. Among the top runners with Zeke, Nick Chubb has the longest run so far, it it was ONLY about that home run hitter, than his team would be winning more games, people were saying that they would trade Aaron Jones for Zeke, his longest run is 15.

The fact of it is, Zeke is top 5 running back, and to me the best in the league but im bias, so my unbiased right now CMC is, and Zeke is next. But in no way shape or form will I say I would trade CMC for Zeke. And the people that say, "Zeke only has yards because the offense opens holes", yeah DUH thats the point of the game. Cook, McCaffrey, Fournette lines also block very well on the run, they NEED them too. Don't be hypocrites please. He may not be home run threat, but he plays physical football and runs hard every down; there will always be someone better at something, we just need to be happy we have a back who has been at the top for every season he's been in the league.

Zeke is top shelf in the NFL...as to posters, at work I put up a wall note that reads: Don't be the one who always leaves a mess behind, for someone else to have to clean up!!