All-22 of Flag Being Thrown on 2nd Tripping Call

[percyhoward]

Watch this in real time. The timing is off, like the umpire is a couple of beats slow to react.

Note how he doesn't reach for the flag until he sees #70 Adam Butler give Zeke a free release at the line of scrimmage, leaving Zeke uncovered.

 

[Jake]

Watch this in real time. The timing is off, like the umpire is a couple of beats slow to react.

Note how he doesn't reach for the flag until he sees #70 Adam Butler give Zeke a free release at the line of scrimmage, leaving Zeke uncovered.

 

[ghosttown cowboy]

That's as bad as the PI no call in last years NFC champ game...absurd...

 

[CWR]

Watch this in real time. The timing is off, like the umpire is a couple of beats slow to react.

Note how he doesn't reach for the flag until he sees #70 Adam Butler give Zeke a free release at the line of scrimmage, leaving Zeke uncovered.

Its pretty clear he was only going to call it if our play looked like it was going to convert. Smh. Sickening.

 

[Beaker42]

That's as bad as the PI no call in last years NFC champ game...absurd...

That fatass ref should be fired

 

[CPanther95]

I don't think he was waiting to see that it was an impact play before throwing it (I believe that's what you are suggesting)... but almost as bad, it kinda looks once he saw the defender go to the ground, THEN he determined that it must have been tripping after all.

 

[percyhoward]

I don't think he was waiting to see that it was an impact play before throwing it (I believe that's what you are suggesting)... but almost as bad, it kinda looks once he saw the defender go to the ground, THEN he determined that it must have been tripping after all.

100% true. We can't read his mind to explain the delayed reaction, and we can only guess at what he was thinking.

 

[MarcusRock]

See what I mean @OmerV about CONSPIRACY!?

Rile 'em up and then step back like "Oh heaven's no." LOL.

 

[CPanther95]

100% true. We can't read his mind to explain the delayed reaction, and we can only guess at what he was thinking.

I'm only basing that on what appears to be the direction of his focus.

But there doesn't seem to be any reaction at all at the moment when the "trip" (or what normal people would call a "step") occurs.

 

[AbeBeta]

Its pretty clear he was only going to call it if our play looked like it was going to convert. Smh. Sickening.

There is nothing wrong with that.

If the play goes incomplete, don't throw the flag as it slows the game down. The Pats would have declined the penalty anyway if it was incomplete to get to 4th down.

I expect refs get some direction to do that to keep the game flowing and more watchable.

 

[percyhoward]

There is nothing wrong with that.

If the play goes incomplete, don't throw the flag as it slows the game down. The Pats would have declined the penalty anyway if it was incomplete to get to 4th down.

The issue then is obviously what to do if Zeke doesn't come open, and the ref has to wait until after Dak scrambles for the first down to throw the flag.

 

[CPanther95]

The vast majority of these guys aren't going to sacrifice a great gig to manipulate the outcome of a game.

They know every play will be scrutinized.

I could see a case here where (just speculating) someone like Belichick tells them before game to keep an eye on tripping . Refs think "he watches a hell of a lot more tape than we do, so probably something to it"

Now they're all looking for it. One gets called.

Now this poor schlub in the video is not just looking for it, but has a previous call fresh in his head that was already called in this game.

It's a rare penalty, so it stands out even more. Now he's wondering if the Cowboys do actually have a habit of tripping ... and starts wondering how many he may have missed.

So he catches Frederick's leg go a little high but it didn't seem like a trip. However when the defender hits the ground he thinks maybe it was so he throws the flag .

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

He was looking for a holding call but panicked when nothing materialized and so he went with tripping.

 

[Kaiser]

expect refs get some direction to do that to keep the game flowing and more watchable.

That's true, but its true for obviously penalties. Tripping is rarely called and this Ref had a clear view of a play that was very clearly not tripping.

And it happened twice and at critical points in the game. That is going to raise questions no matter what, especially when the League immediately says neither play was a penalty.

 

[Kaiser]

I could see a case here where (just speculating) someone like Belichick tells them before game to keep an eye on tripping . Refs think "he watches a hell of a lot more tape than we do, so probably something to it"

I think that is clearly part of the dynamic. Jason Verlander gets a wider strike zone than rookie pitchers in MLB.

But Verlander can't roll the ball up the plate and get a strike call, which is basically what happened on these two calls.

 

[Beaker42]

If I had been HC of the Cowboys Sunday, I’d have called timeout, gathered the entire team, and then proceeded to leave the field while giving all of that stadium the ol’ double single-digit salute.

 

[percyhoward]

That's true, but its true for obviously penalties. Tripping is rarely called and this Ref had a clear view of a play that was very clearly not tripping.

And it happened twice and at critical points in the game. That is going to raise questions no matter what, especially when the League immediately says neither play was a penalty.

I don't think that's true for any penalty. If they want to speed up the game, they can just pick up the flag and say there is no foul for tripping.

But so many penalties get declined and so many flags get picked up, that I don't think there's anything to the idea that officials are instructed to wait to know the outcome of a play before throwing a flag.

That's not to mention that it looks fishy as hell anyway.

 

[Kaiser]

That's not to mention that it looks fishy as hell anyway.

Its really fishy in a league known for being fishy. Its like the stretch of non-holding calls in 2017. There are plenty of arguments to be made that it was just a string of really, really bad luck. But it started the week Jerry challenged Goodell's contract extension and it ended the week Godell's contract situation resolved.

It could all be a coincidence but all the coincidences have been in favor of the league office.

 

[Silver N Blue]

The fact that it was called twice in the same game is all I need to know. Chalk it up with the other's.....removing your helmet after a TD celebration, horse collar, and implementing the current FA structure after 92 when the team was stacked 4 starters deep. In the end Tom got his team over the hump and Dak didn't.

 

[AbeBeta]

The issue then is obviously what to do if Zeke doesn't come open, and the ref has to wait until after Dak scrambles for the first down to throw the flag.

You throw the flag as soon as he breaks the pocket in that case.

I don't mind a ref keeping the game flowing.