Audio: Mickey and Shan got into it on the radio today

[Whyjerry]

I see hate all over youtube threads too. Nothing new.

I would react to this but I would need to understand what the heck you are talking about.

 

[CWR]

LOL, wrong. Defending that clown Shan just makes you a clown too.

Must be having a bad day huh Joe? Straight to name calling. Either that or its your uncle Mickey lol.

 

[JoeKing]

"Adult" and Mickey Spagnola have probably never been used in the same sentence before.

Mickey insulted Shan for bringing up Dez (which is a valid talking point, btw), and then completely dismissed the question about analytics.

Shan is right, Mickey does have a very antiquated and prehistoric view of football. And it is very rude/arrogant to try and dictate content on SOMEONE ELSE'S show.

Must be having a bad day huh Joe? Straight to name calling. Either that or its your uncle Mickey lol.

“serious football guy like Mickey”

We obviously disagree on this so you are just picking a fight. If you can't handle a different opinion than your own, then cry home to your mommy about it because I don't care. I care nothing about changing your opinion and you sure as hell aren't going to change mine so what is your point? You either want to fight or just be a punk, which is it?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Shan is the clown for even bringing up the name Dez Bryant to a serious football guy like Mickey. He's wasting Mickey's time with that crap. Then Shan just got rude to his guest(Mickey). Then after Mickey was off air Shan threw a childish temper tantrum because the adult in the conversation(Mickey) wasn't having any of his BS. This is very common with Shan's generation. Shan's day is coming when he is disrespectful to the wrong older gentlemen.

“serious football guy like Mickey”

 

[jwooten15]

We obviously disagree on this so you are just picking a fight. If you can't handle a different opinion than your own, then cry home to your mommy about it because I don't care. I care nothing about changing your opinion and you sure as hell aren't going to change mine so what is your point? You either want to fight or just be a punk, which is it?

You're the one who's name calling because you disagree with the majority's opinion of Mickey. Nobody is picking a fight with you so quit being so sensitive.

None of us have done anything other than disagree with you and call it as we see it - Mickey is a Cowboy's corporate mouthpiece, and lives in fairy land.

 

[Rayman70]

I would buy a ticket to see Mickey Spagnola punched in the face.

I 2nd that

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Tone policing aside, Mickey is wrong on substance. He begins with a logical fallacy (anecdotal evidence), and it goes downhill from there.

 

[Rayman70]

mickey is kin to the sidekick midget from Austin powers. He is just a useful idiot.

 

[JoeKing]

You're the one who's name calling because you disagree with the majority's opinion of Mickey. Nobody is picking a fight with you so quit being so sensitive.
None of us have done anything other than disagree with you and call it as we see it - Mickey is a Cowboy's corporate mouthpiece, and lives in fairy land.

So it's mob rules with you? The popular vote is the right vote? I don't operate that way, I think for myself and have my own opinion and will never shy away or apologize for it. When you go out of your way to tell me you don't like that, then you have earned being called a punk. Don't like that? Then you are the one being sensitive. I expressed an opinion, if you don't like it don't cry to me about it. There is no point in waste either of our time about it. So why the reply? Accomplishing nothing with this.

 

[Playmaker247]

I know Spagnola, he's a homer for the Cowboys, but I don't disagree with him in this case. I don;t know who the other guy arguing is.

But analytics are not perfect. They give you probabilities with a degree of error. I'd have to see what those numbers are and where they came from but Spagnola is right, there are factors during a game that you have to take into consideration. Garrett normally is bad at that. He struggles assessing the flow of a game and too often makes decisions that go against the flow. A great example is going for it on 4th down against the Jets, down 7-3 choosing a play where Dak runs to the left to pick of 2 yards. He failed.

We can debate this forever, but I still think taking the FG was the right decision on 4th and 7. There was still 6 minutes left in the game. Remember, the Cowboys were down 7 points. Even if the got the TD to tie it up, they still would have needed to stop the Patriots to get the ball back and hopefully kick the game winning FG. Garrett just took the FG first. And think about it. They stopped the Patriots and got the ball back with plenty of time. Then they moved the ball until the ridiculous tripping call negated a first down and ended the drive. Even then, had they stopped the Patriots with the game on the line, they could have gotten the ball back with a minute and 30 seconds. But this defense, knowing the Patriots would run the ball, gave up 12 yards on 2 carries. Of all the things that happened on Sunday, Garrett's decision in that situation was the least of their mistakes. There were so many others by the Cowboys and the refs that the FG decision was nothing.

The point of analytics isn’t necessarily the results. Which is what Mickey doesn’t understand. It’s about making the decision that statistically gives you the best odds at winning. Mickeys reasoning for not using analytics is because “it’s not always right”. It’s like saying well the weather forecast isn’t 100% accurate so therefore we must completely ignore it. See how dumb that sounds

 

[Rayman70]

SOUNDS LIKE THE MICKSTER LOVES HIM SOME JERRY SACK. It was kinda gross and disgusting listening to him defend losing. I do agree with Mick one 1 thing.. the penalties changed the outcome. THAT IS FACT. Like him or not..we may have won the game if not for that. We would be discussing how good Jason was last week had we won lol..

 

[Rayman70]

Tone policing aside, Mickey is wrong on substance. He begins with a logical fallacy (anecdotal evidence), and it goes downhill from there.

^^^this^^^ ITS CALLED COMPLICIT SERVITUDE combined with ineptitude.

 

[CWR]

We obviously disagree on this so you are just picking a fight. If you can't handle a different opinion than your own, then cry home to your mommy about it because I don't care. I care nothing about changing your opinion and you sure as hell aren't going to change mine so what is your point? You either want to fight or just be a punk, which is it?

You started off by calling me a clown. Calm down.

 

[HungryLion]

I know Spagnola, he's a homer for the Cowboys, but I don't disagree with him in this case. I don;t know who the other guy arguing is.

But analytics are not perfect. They give you probabilities with a degree of error. I'd have to see what those numbers are and where they came from but Spagnola is right, there are factors during a game that you have to take into consideration. Garrett normally is bad at that. He struggles assessing the flow of a game and too often makes decisions that go against the flow. A great example is going for it on 4th down against the Jets, down 7-3 choosing a play where Dak runs to the left to pick of 2 yards. He failed.

We can debate this forever, but I still think taking the FG was the right decision on 4th and 7. There was still 6 minutes left in the game. Remember, the Cowboys were down 7 points. Even if the got the TD to tie it up, they still would have needed to stop the Patriots to get the ball back and hopefully kick the game winning FG. Garrett just took the FG first. And think about it. They stopped the Patriots and got the ball back with plenty of time. Then they moved the ball until the ridiculous tripping call negated a first down and ended the drive. Even then, had they stopped the Patriots with the game on the line, they could have gotten the ball back with a minute and 30 seconds. But this defense, knowing the Patriots would run the ball, gave up 12 yards on 2 carries. Of all the things that happened on Sunday, Garrett's decision in that situation was the least of their mistakes. There were so many others by the Cowboys and the refs that the FG decision was nothing.

mickey is not right.

The argument isn’t that the coaches need to go with the analytics every time they make a decision.

the argument is that the coach should at least take analytics into consideration when making those decisions. As of right now, the coach doesn’t even take that important date into his decision making process.

Nobody is saying the coach shouldn’t also consider the opponent and match ups and conditions. They absolutely should. But they should also consider other data available to them.

There really is no valid argument for the coach being willfully ignorant and choosing to not have as much information as possible available when making decisions.

 

[LifetimeBoysFan]

I would buy a ticket to see Mickey Spagnola punched in the face.

Now that would probably sell out AT&T Stadium. Does Bryan Broaddus get the first punch? Can we make it a lineup ala the movie “Airplane!”

 

[JoeKing]

You started off by calling me a clown. Calm down.

No, you started out earning being called a clown by defending a clown. Take responsibility for your own actions and there won't be any problems here.

 

[JoeKing]

I would react to this but I would need to understand what the heck you are talking about.

Reading is fundamental.

 

[percyhoward]

"Are they always right?" Every dinosaur resistant to any new sources or theories asks that question.

Are draft measurables "always right?"

Is the 2-point conversion chart "always right?"

Does that justify ignoring these resources and strictly going with your gut? Of course not.

Mickey isn't "always right," so what's the use of him?

 

[HungryLion]

No, you started out earning being called a clown by defending a clown. Take responsibility for your own actions and there won't be any problems here.

 

[dagreat1_87]

That was wonderful