The straw that will break the camel's back

[817Gill]

We have literally seen Dak take a huge step forward this offseason and by all accounts there is better coaching on the way. Why do we want him not to improve? It seems like it’s a foregone conclusion to everyone that this is what he is, just like it was foregone in 2017 & 2018.

Dudes gonna get better Idk why no one wants to believe that

 

[NumOneQB]

You’ve got a good QB. You sign the QB and build around him. Not rocket science. Now if you’re debating if this franchise has the right people at the top to get the right supporting cast, that’s a whole other topic.

 

[Diehardblues]

He convinced Jerry to do it because he doesn't have a scheme that works without an elite OL.

The Frederick selection was also as much about the fact that the entire 2013 draft was pretty bad.

That’s debatable . Besides the stupid pick of Escobar Frederick has become a perineal Pro Bowl center.

And Terrence Williams was a starter for what 4 or 5 years. His production and value decreased significantly after Romo retired. Wilcox contributed in nickel for several years and is still playing with Atlanta. Randel was a contributor until his off field behavior derailed his career.

I’d argue it was an average to slightly above average draft.

 

[Future]

That’s debatable . Besides the stupid pick of Escobar Frederick has become a perineal Pro Bowl center.

And Terrence Williams was a starter for what 4 or 5 years. His production and value decreased significantly after Romo retired. Wilcox contributed in nickel for several years and is still playing with Atlanta.

I’d argue it was an average to slightly above average draft.

It was average for the Cowboys, but it wasn't a good draft overall. Like, there weren't better players to take at 31, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't have preferred something besides a C. I'm talking about the draft as a whole.

 

[Diehardblues]

You’ve got a good QB. You sign the QB and build around him. Not rocket science. Now if you’re debating if this franchise has the right people at the top to get the right supporting cast, that’s a whole other topic.

That’s a reasonable argument. This organization failed in surrounding Romo with enough until it was too late in his career. Not sure why we’d have confidence they will fare better with Dak?

I’ve felt this franchise has been talent dependent and need a QB great enough without all of this supporting cast on and off the field. That’s wasn’t fair to Romo and probably not to Dak.

 

[cowboyec]

Sign him.
we drafted a good one.
he's gotten better every year he's been here.
sign the man.

 

[BoysForLife]

You're attempting to discount Prescott by comparing him to one player on another team.

And yet legions of his backers have emphasized Dak's "won/loss" record to prop him up vs a variety of other quarterbacks, all of whom are just "one player on another team".

 

[Diehardblues]

It was average for the Cowboys, but it wasn't a good draft overall. Like, there weren't better players to take at 31, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't have preferred something besides a C. I'm talking about the draft as a whole.

You said it was bad. And why I responded . Surely can agree it was more like average.

And there were probably better players to take at 31 but remember we traded down to pick up the 3rd round pick for Williams . I think a perineal Pro Bowl center is arguably a sound selection at 31.

 

[BoysForLife]

I see a lot of fans that say that finding a new QB will hard to do. It is based on the fear of the unknown. The team has been playing scared, but there is no reason why the fans should fear dumping Dak and drafting a new QB. Sure it is a roll of the dice, but it is a roll that they shouldn’t fear taking. Some times you have to make aggressive moves to improve the team.

Exactly right, paying $40 million for the mediocrity you know because you're afraid it might "get worse" if you don't pony up.

What, we don't pay Dak and so we're 5-7 or 4-8 at the 12 game mark, instead of 6-6?

We pay Dak $40 million a year, we're going to be at those records anyways because we won't be able to surround him with the gold mine of talent he currently has at his disposal if he's making that kind of money.

 

[BatteryPowered]

I see a lot of fans that say that finding a new QB will hard to do. It is based on the fear of the unknown. The team has been playing scared, but there is no reason why the fans should fear dumping Dak and drafting a new QB. Sure it is a roll of the dice, but it is a roll that they shouldn’t fear taking. Some times you have to make aggressive moves to improve the team.

I'm not convinced Dak's shortcomings aren't OC driven. Everyone was beating up the OC last season for the play calling...and rightfully so. Kellen is a noticeable improvement, but he calls an inconsistent game (if we are to believe he calls all the plays)...and I believe that is because it is his first year to call plays at this level, and it appears he is getting very little to no help from the HC. I also think they should move Dak around more. Bottom line, I don't think it's time to toss Dak aside and hope you get lucky. Dallas will be picking somewhere around 20 in the next draft. There are three options;

1 - Tag Dak and draft a QB...puts a huge cap hit on the QB position. You would either need to split playing time split between them or give the rookie the job with Dak as the backup. If that is your approach, Dak may flip you the bird and not sign the tender, so don't miss on the pick or you just closed the SB window.

2 - Let Dak walk, draft a QB and sign a veteran backup. Again, back to the "don't miss" thing.

3 - Tag/sign Dak and draft quality at other positions of need.

People don't want to hear it or admit it, but the Cowboys have made their QB decision by not drafting someone in the last two years and not signing a decent backup. It is now up to the front office and coaching staff to get quality players around him, use him correctly based on what he does best and improve the overall coaching ability in the franchise.

 

[G2]

And yet legions of his backers have emphasized Dak's "won/loss" record to prop him up vs a variety of other quarterbacks, all of whom are just "one player on another team".

Take that up with them. You posted nonsense and I called it. No biggie.

 

[BoysForLife]

And they fell behind in the 3rd quarter, and had to play catch up.

the problem with this argument is they quit the run after the 1st quarter when this game was still very close.

Not sure why, but they did.

 

[Future]

You said it was bad. And why I responded . Surely can agree it was more like average.

And there were probably better players to take at 31 but remember we traded down to pick up the 3rd round pick for Williams . I think a perineal Pro Bowl center is arguably a sound selection at 31.

I think you're missing my point.

Yes, Frederick was a good pick there. But I don't think I'd put him in the same conversation as Tyron where it's a clear decision to prefer the OL. The draft as a whole lacked talent, which moved Fred up more than any philosophy would hav.e

 

[BatteryPowered]

Exactly right, paying $40 million for the mediocrity you know because you're afraid it might "get worse" if you don't pony up.

What, we don't pay Dak and so we're 5-7 or 4-8 at the 12 game mark, instead of 6-6?

We pay Dak $40 million a year, we're going to be at those records anyways because we won't be able to surround him with the gold mine of talent he currently has at his disposal if he's making that kind of money.

Either this team doesn't have a "gold mine of talent", the coaching staff doesn't know a football from a basketball, or both.

 

[BoysForLife]

Take that up with them. You posted nonsense and I called it. No biggie.

That has nothing to do with the performances by Allen and Darnold.
you weren't impressed by those guys?

Allen made Beasely look like a super star against us.
Same guy that was chased out of Dallas because he "couldn't get open anymore" and "wasn't worth what he was asking".

What gives?
How come Cole was a scapegoat for Dak's backers near the end of his tenure here in Dallas, and ate our lunch?

 

[BoysForLife]

Either this team doesn't have a "gold mine of talent", the coaching staff doesn't know a football from a basketball, or both.

I have no problem admitting our coaching stinks.

You think most QB's in the NFL wouldn't love to be playing behind our O line, handing off to the leading rusher in the league 2 of the last 3 years, and throwing passes to Cooper, Gallup, Cobb, etc?

 

[starfan1]

You are exactly correct. However, I would add that you never stop looking for a great QB unless you already have a bona fide star. Maybe not even then. It's clear that people's views of Dak are very divided as to where he should rank and what his ceiling is. In and of itself, that tells you that you don't have a clear cut guy. So, you gotta keep trying to find a better one.

This fan base has been divided at their view of QB potential and ceiling for years but you are correct but Cowboys have never done due diligence in that fashion. The cowboys should have been looking at QBs since Romo was here and there lack of doing so got them stuck behind the 8 ball when he went down. I'm trying to remember but I think Stephen McGee was the only QB they drafted in that era. They had Orton for a couple years and kitna but they have not done that well

The other problem is they have other needs that are greater at the moment. There's 2 positions they have not addressed that absolutely need to be a priority in DT and S and now with Leighton (neck) and Jaylon (regression) LB may be another spot that needs attention and the o-line is not looking the force it once was but maybe that will improve next year all these things are bigger issues right now than a QB.

all this discussion is fun but its going to be Dak

 

[Diehardblues]

I think you're missing my point.

Yes, Frederick was a good pick there. But I don't think I'd put him in the same conversation as Tyron where it's a clear decision to prefer the OL. The draft as a whole lacked talent, which moved Fred up more than any philosophy would hav.e

Of course not but Tyron was picked much higher.

Frederick IMO has turned out much better than originally thought at that pick. The fact we lucked out made the pick better.

And I’d agree overall and why it was considered one of our weaker drafts under Garrett. But still even at the time ranked about a C. Average but bad for Garrett. How’s that .

 

[Flamma]

That's 20 first round picks...I would take none of them over Dak. If picking an above average (forget great) QB was easy, all 32 teams would have at least one.

I agree with you. I like Dak. I don't even blame him for this season anymore than I would blame Romo for that 1-7 start in 2010. Dak is probably one of the few players going all out. But if Dallas is going to pay out 30-35 Mil a year, basically Russel Wilson money, I want Russel Wilson talent.

 

[Future]

Of course not but Tyron was picked much higher.

Frederick IMO has turned out much better than originally thought at that pick. The fact we lucked out made the pick better.

And I’d agree overall and why it was considered one of our weaker drafts under Garrett. But still even at the time ranked about a C. Average but bad for Garrett. How’s that .

Lol. Yea it was an average draft for Dallas.

But I'm saying that the draft in its entirety, including 31 other teams, was bad. There was a lot less talent to choose from, so it's easier to take a C in that spot than other years. They might not even have had a first-round grade on Frederick.