A new paint job is not enough

[Bobhaze]

IMO, When fans say, “Jerry owns the team...he can do whatever he wants with it”, they are perpetuating this ongoing problem with this team which has led to nearly a quarter century of playoff failure. Yes, we all know Jerry paid $147 mil for the Cowboys in ‘89, so technically he can drive this franchise off a cliff if he wants to. In fact, that’s exactly what he’s done.

But shouldn't we also say that’s stupid? There’s a reason 30 of the 32 owners in this league hire real football people to run their organizations. It’s why the last 23 Super Bowls have been won by owners who hire football people. It doesn’t work anymore, and we have over two decades of evidence to prove it.

Jerry is THE BIGGEST PROBLEM. He’s created this culture and lack of accountability. Sure Garrett is a bad coach. But without changing how this franchise is run and just turning around and hiring another coach with the same culture and lack of accountability...it’s like a new paint job on The Titanic. There will always be an iceberg. Hiring Urban Meyer, Lincoln Riley or even Bill Belechick without changing the fundamentals of how this team is run will not save this team.

We’ve had nearly a quarter century of icebergs with 6 different coaches. And ONE GM. I know Jerry “has the right” to do what he wants, but shouldn’t we also recognize that If he doesn’t change, the results won’t either?

 

[Parcells4Life]

IMO, When fans say, “Jerry owns the team...he can do whatever he wants with it”, they are perpetuating this ongoing problem with this team which has led to nearly a quarter century of playoff failure. Yes, we all know Jerry paid $147 mil for the Cowboys in ‘89, so technically he can drive this franchise off a cliff if he wants to. In fact, that’s exactly what he’s done.

But shouldn't we also say that’s stupid? There’s a reason 30 of the 32 owners in this league hire real football people to run their organizations. It’s why the last 23 Super Bowls have been won by owners who hire football people. It doesn’t work anymore, and we have over two decades of evidence to prove it.

Jerry is THE BIGGEST PROBLEM. He’s created this culture and lack of accountability. Sure Garrett is a bad coach. But without changing how this franchise is run and just turning around and hiring another coach with the same culture and lack of accountability...it’s like a new paint job on The Titanic. There will always be an iceberg. Hiring Urban Meyer, Lincoln Riley or even Bill Belechick without changing the fundamentals of how this team is run will not save this team.

We’ve had nearly a quarter century of icebergs with 6 different coaches. And ONE GM. I know Jerry “has the right” to do what he wants, but shouldn’t we also recognize that If he doesn’t change, the results won’t either?

His teams have won the division how many times in the last 5 years? His teams have had the #1 seed.

Those are significant milestones that say he’s not just running this thing into the ground. Most playoff losses have been because one play happens due to lack of detail. A DeMarco fumble, a Crayton drop, a Jeff Heath not accounting for Goffs legs.

If the team went 8-8 every year I’d agree it’s just Jerry’s fault. But he’s not in every meeting room every day or on the sidelines in the huddle during games where these things need to be corrected.

The problem this year has been the defense has been awful. Last year the same defensive staff across the board was considered one of the best in the league.

Offensively turnovers by the best players on the team have killed at inoppprtune times. Those same players are all pros which Jerry brought in.

It’s a coaching problem that doesn’t stress attention to detail on every play or if it does, the message isn’t getting through.

 

[Bobhaze]

His teams have won the division how many times in the last 5 years? His teams have had the #1 seed.

Those are significant milestones that say he’s not just running this thing into the ground. Most playoff losses have been because one play happens due to lack of detail. A DeMarco fumble, a Crayton drop, a Jeff Heath not accounting for Goffs legs.

If the team went 8-8 every year I’d agree it’s just Jerry’s fault. But he’s not in every meeting room every day or on the sidelines in the huddle during games where these things need to be corrected.

The problem this year has been the defense has been awful. Last year the same defensive staff across the board was considered one of the best in the league.

Offensively turnovers by the best players on the team have killed at inoppprtune times. Those same players are all pros which Jerry brought in.

It’s a coaching problem that doesn’t stress attention to detail on every play or if it does, the message isn’t getting through.

Hey if you like the way Jerry runs this thing, you should be happy. If divisional “championships” are evidence of accomplishment, I’m not going to try to argue with that kind of thinking. If that makes you happy, cool.

That’s not enough for me. Jerry is the biggest problem this team has and it’s as clear as can be. Until he changes his ways, how can we expect changes in results?

 

[silvrNblue]

Jerry Frign Jones is the poster child for the definition of insanity... nuff said.

 

[acr731]

His teams have won the division how many times in the last 5 years? His teams have had the #1 seed.

Those are significant milestones that say he’s not just running this thing into the ground. Most playoff losses have been because one play happens due to lack of detail. A DeMarco fumble, a Crayton drop, a Jeff Heath not accounting for Goffs legs.

If the team went 8-8 every year I’d agree it’s just Jerry’s fault. But he’s not in every meeting room every day or on the sidelines in the huddle during games where these things need to be corrected.

The problem this year has been the defense has been awful. Last year the same defensive staff across the board was considered one of the best in the league.

Offensively turnovers by the best players on the team have killed at inopportune times. Those same players are all pros which Jerry brought in.

It’s a coaching problem that doesn’t stress attention to detail on every play or if it does, the message isn’t getting through.

Assuming you have had a long career, how many awards did you receive over the years for 'almost getting the job done'? I'm about to start the 30th year of my career and I can easily tell you how many awards I received for almost completing a task or almost getting the job done - that would be a big fat zero.

The NFL is a business where you are judged on results. Spin it any way you want, the Cowboys haven't accomplished squat since 1996. I have no idea how many times they have won the NFC East in that time, but they have been the #1 seed only twice, and both times were within the past 12 years. Don't forget that both times they got there they squandered their opportunity in epic fashion.

If you want to give Jerry a pass for almost getting there then more power to you. Most of us here at CZ don't feel the same way.

 

[Creeper]

I don't think anyone is condoning Jerry's shoddy management of the team. We are just acknowledging a reality that is not going to change no matter how much we complain about it. Jerry is a meddling owner and he would rather meddle than win. I think most fans wish he would step away from the day-to-day management of the team. I think we all agree with you that he is the biggest problem. Of course we can stop being Cowboys fans, but then we wouldn't care about what the Cowboys do or don't do.

I am frustrated by the situation but I hold out a sliver of hope that Jerry will hire a coach who can at least game plan, manage games, and get more out of his players than Garrett. He may still be a puppet and that will hurt the team, but he just needs to do the little things a little better and this team would not be an embarrassment.

The irony about this for Jerry is that he supposedly got rid of Jimmy Johnson because he felt Johnson was taking too much credit for the Cowboys Super Bowls. But the longer this team goes without winning another Super Bowl, or even NFC championship, the more it looks like it really was all Jimmy and that Jerry did not deserve the credit for those Super Bowls. I hope one day this occurs to Jerry so that he finally makes the hard decision to get another Jimmy Johnson and win regardless of who gets the credit.

 

[ArtClink]

Agree 100% Hazey. Jerry acts like he is dumbfounded with why this team can't win in the post season (and get to the post season in many of the past 24 years). Jerry doing things "the Jones Way" (i.e., complete playoff futility) for over 2 decades is a longtime Cowboys fans worst nightmare. The most powerful owner in the league runs this franchise into the ground for 24 years and still refuses to model the Cowboys after ELITE, SUCCESSFUL (meaning deep playoff runs) organizations where the GM and head coach are empowered to do their job!

#fjerry

 

[Bobhaze]

I don't think anyone is condoning Jerry's shoddy management of the team. We are just acknowledging a reality that is not going to change no matter how much we complain about it. Jerry is a meddling owner and he would rather meddle than win. I think most fans wish he would step away from the day-to-day management of the team. I think we all agree with you that he is the biggest problem. Of course we can stop being Cowboys fans, but then we wouldn't care about what the Cowboys do or don't do.

I am frustrated by the situation but I hold out a sliver of hope that Jerry will hire a coach who can at least game plan, manage games, and get more out of his players than Garrett. He may still be a puppet and that will hurt the team, but he just needs to do the little things a little better and this team would not be an embarrassment.

The irony about this for Jerry is that he supposedly got rid of Jimmy Johnson because he felt Johnson was taking too much credit for the Cowboys Super Bowls. But the longer this team goes without winning another Super Bowl, or even NFC championship, the more it looks like it really was all Jimmy and that Jerry did not deserve the credit for those Super Bowls. I hope one day this occurs to Jerry so that he finally makes the hard decision to get another Jimmy Johnson and win regardless of who gets the credit.

Well, I guarantee things won’t change if people stop asking for it. I’m a Cowboys fan. Which is exactly why I will continue to call Jerry out over and over. I understand what you’re saying about “acknowledging a reality” but isn’t is also a reality to say Jerry is the main problem?

 

[Parcells4Life]

To put in business terms: Football is a week to week process that is just longer or shorter dependent on the success of the first 16 projects.

so if you’ve had success during the first 16 projects and you get the same exact project (opponent) when the year is extended and the owner of the company isn’t telling the manager he needs to change the details of how he works on the project (Jerry interfering), how can you blame the owner of the company?

the manager and personnel got the projects done at a high level and by all accounts have best personnel in the industry which the owner provided the resources to get.

so how is it the owners fault they didn’t do well on the same project when the year was extended? Seems like a manager problem to me.

 

[Bobhaze]

Agree 100% Hazey. Jerry acts like he is dumbfounded with why this team can't win in the post season (and get to the post season in many of the past 24 years). Jerry doing things "the Jones Way" (i.e., complete playoff futility) for over 2 decades is a longtime Cowboys fans worst nightmare. The most powerful owner in the league runs this franchise into the ground for 24 years and still refuses to model the Cowboys after ELITE, SUCCESSFUL (meaning deep playoff runs) organizations where the GM and head coach are empowered to do their job!

#fjerry

But Art...”he owns the team, and he has the right to do with it whatever he wants...” LOL! The insanity of defending Jerry Jones despite his “results on the field” never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s a hopeless situation Cowboy fans. I guess 25 years and 6 coaches hasn’t been enough evidence since Jimmy left. We’ll see how another 10-15 years of this dysfunction might convince you.

Or are we just hopeless romantic fans from championship eras?

Pick a puppet . Any puppet. And why I was content with this one. Lol

 

[ArtClink]

To put in business terms: Football is a week to week process that is just longer or shorter dependent on the success of the first 16 projects.

so if you’ve had success during the first 16 projects and you get the same exact project (opponent) when the year is extended and the owner of the company isn’t telling the manager he needs to change the details of how he works on the project (Jerry interfering), how can you blame the owner of the company?

the manager and personnel got the projects done at a high level and by all accounts have best personnel in the industry which the owner provided the resources to get.

so how is it the owners fault they didn’t do well on the same project when the year was extended? Seems like a manager problem to me.

Glad you are happy with 0 div playoff wins in 24 yrs. Jerry has been the only constant during that time. I wonder who's to blame for 2+ decades of playoff futility?

 

[ArtClink]

It’s a hopeless situation Cowboy fans. I guess 25 years and 6 coaches hasn’t been enough evidence since Jimmy left. We’ll see how another 10-15 years of this dysfunction might convince you.

Or are we just hopeless romantic fans from championship eras?

Pick a puppet . Any puppet. And why I was content with this one. Lol

Jerry is lucky us die hard fans still care.

 

[Diehardblues]

Jerry is lucky us die hard fans still care.

You’re assuming I still do care.

I’m an apathetic fan who watches from a distance still rooting the team on. I’m a hopeless romantic. But I’ve detached myself financially and emotionally.

Latest ratings show less than 25% home viewership rating in DFW area. Most home markets carry over 40%.

There’s markets across the state and country which have a higher percentage viewership of the Cowboys than its home market. Jerry doesn’t care. He doesn’t need the hometown fans to fill his stadium , watch on TV or buy the merchandise.

While Jerry is the most hated sports personality in Dallas the Cowboys are still most popular. It’s a most unusual love/hate relationship.

 

[Jake]

His teams have won the division how many times in the last 5 years? His teams have had the #1 seed.

When did winning the division become the goal of the Dallas Cowboys?

Of the first 30 Super Bowls, the Cowboys played in the NFC/NFL title game 15 times and reached the SB 8 times. Over the 23 SBs, the numbers are zero and zero.

But keep on defending Jerry. He, the one constant with his meddling ways, couldn't be the problem. It has to be the half dozen coaches during that time.

 

[john van brocklin]

IMO, When fans say, “Jerry owns the team...he can do whatever he wants with it”, they are perpetuating this ongoing problem with this team which has led to nearly a quarter century of playoff failure. Yes, we all know Jerry paid $147 mil for the Cowboys in ‘89, so technically he can drive this franchise off a cliff if he wants to. In fact, that’s exactly what he’s done.

But shouldn't we also say that’s stupid? There’s a reason 30 of the 32 owners in this league hire real football people to run their organizations. It’s why the last 23 Super Bowls have been won by owners who hire football people. It doesn’t work anymore, and we have over two decades of evidence to prove it.

Jerry is THE BIGGEST PROBLEM. He’s created this culture and lack of accountability. Sure Garrett is a bad coach. But without changing how this franchise is run and just turning around and hiring another coach with the same culture and lack of accountability...it’s like a new paint job on The Titanic. There will always be an iceberg. Hiring Urban Meyer, Lincoln Riley or even Bill Belechick without changing the fundamentals of how this team is run will not save this team.

We’ve had nearly a quarter century of icebergs with 6 different coaches. And ONE GM. I know Jerry “has the right” to do what he wants, but shouldn’t we also recognize that If he doesn’t change, the results won’t either?

Sad state of affairs.
At this point we just wait, and hope that Stephen is better.

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s been a sad state of affairs for a generation.

But when we have some good fortune we have fans who pat Jerry on the back thinking he’s turned the corner. Or delegating, taking a lesser role ,etc...

Isn’t it interesting how all of these fans have been arguing Stephen is more in control now but when it goes South where are they ?

Notice how Stephens been silent too. It reminds us all who’s still in charge. Stephen is even quoted several times recently to ask Jerry.

 

[Parcells4Life]

When did winning the division become the goal of the Dallas Cowboys?

Of the first 30 Super Bowls, the Cowboys played in the NFC/NFL title game 15 times and reached the SB 8 times. Over the 23 SBs, the numbers are zero and zero.

But keep on defending Jerry. He, the one constant with his meddling ways, couldn't be the problem. It has to be the half dozen coaches during that time.

Division is never the goal but when you win the division and get home field you clearly have the right amount of talent which is the GMs problem.

How does the GM factor into an individual playoff matchup? Especially if the team beat that opponent in the regular season.

If someone can point out what Jerry is doing in those 1-2 weeks between the end of the regular season, wild card and divisional round I’m all ears. I would just think that a GMs problem would manifest itself more during the regular season like teams such as the Commanders, Lions, Browns and Bengals do.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

IMO, When fans say, “Jerry owns the team...he can do whatever he wants with it”, they are perpetuating this ongoing problem with this team which has led to nearly a quarter century of playoff failure. Yes, we all know Jerry paid $147 mil for the Cowboys in ‘89, so technically he can drive this franchise off a cliff if he wants to. In fact, that’s exactly what he’s done.

But shouldn't we also say that’s stupid? There’s a reason 30 of the 32 owners in this league hire real football people to run their organizations. It’s why the last 23 Super Bowls have been won by owners who hire football people. It doesn’t work anymore, and we have over two decades of evidence to prove it.

Jerry is THE BIGGEST PROBLEM. He’s created this culture and lack of accountability. Sure Garrett is a bad coach. But without changing how this franchise is run and just turning around and hiring another coach with the same culture and lack of accountability...it’s like a new paint job on The Titanic. There will always be an iceberg. Hiring Urban Meyer, Lincoln Riley or even Bill Belechick without changing the fundamentals of how this team is run will not save this team.

We’ve had nearly a quarter century of icebergs with 6 different coaches. And ONE GM. I know Jerry “has the right” to do what he wants, but shouldn’t we also recognize that If he doesn’t change, the results won’t either?

That pretty much covers it. I want Jerry to hire a new coach who knows his stuff, but I also want him to hire a real GM and get out of both their ways. I don't have confidence that he'll do that. If he just hires another puppet, then he might as well just keep Garrett. We don't need another stinkin' puppet. A new puppet may even do worse than Garrett.

 

[CPanther95]

His teams have won the division how many times in the last 5 years? His teams have had the #1 seed.

Those are significant milestones that say he’s not just running this thing into the ground.

Milestones are only significant if you are heading somewhere significant.