Dak and Leading the NFL in Passing

[punchnjudy]

No one has ever said that yardage totals, in isolation, meant anything.

Who would want a guy who was first in yardage and last in passer rating? No one. You have to look at the big picture and context.

At the end of the day, film analysis from true professionals--people paid handsomely to do it--still trumps stats. For example, even though teams miss on QB draft picks a lot, if they tried evaluating college qb's on stats alone, they'd get destroyed.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Having Dak throw a lot is not the formula for winning games. Teams realize this and have been taking Zeke away.

Without a good defense it doesn't better who is QB, it's not a winning formula

 

[BoysForLife]

Everybody cried and moaned when Dak put up small #s and we were winning . Nobody was satisfied with moving the chains controlling the clock and protecting our defense .

They wanted ROMO BALL and now they have it. Big stats that lead to 8-8 . Dak proved he can do everything Tony could do and more when necessary in making it happen with his legs . Dak also proved that unbalanced passing attack is a failed freaking process no matter if it is him or Tony running it .

Close to 50 attempts 350 yrds passing a couple TDs and a BIG FAT LLLLLLLL Romo ball at its finest

I know you think you are being super clever but what you are really doing is proving the point of those who criticized Prescott

The Cowboys of the past few years were at their best when Dak was window dressing. The problem is all of his minions and himself and his agent started making false about “his” win/loss Record and demanding that he be paid like an elite quarterback Instead of the bus driver that he was

One need look no further than the early part of 2017 when Zeke was suspended. The responsibility for moving the offense fell almost entirely on Prescott and frankly that was the worst offensive stretch possibly in the history of the franchise, from a perspective of scoring points

So now they pick up Gallup and Cooper and surround Prescott with all sorts of shiny toys and try to make him “the man”. And according to you it’s working. He’s piling up stats

Problem is the team is going in the tank and it’s obvious . And so the sniffer solution is to pay Dak $40 million a year and hope for the best

Of course you recommend this with the full knowledge that a lot of the shiny toys currently at his disposal go bye-bye if he gets paid that kind of money. If he’s not willing to sign for bus driver money and take a supporting role in the offense, then this is absolutely as good as our team can be and it’s only going to get worse as the talent pool diminishes because of a lack of money

You guys wanted Dak to be the star And you got it. And you don’t seem even the slightest bit bothered that the team is sucking butt because of it/. As long as Prescott gets “his” payday and “his” stats, you’re good. And if anyone calls attention to it, then you just conjure up some Romo reference and pound your chest

Pretty sad if you ask me

 

[sallaDxuS]

My wife has a car that gets 30 miles per gallon compared to the 16 or 17 my truck gets. The camry is cool but 95% of the time I am taking the pickup when I have a choice.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Leading the league in passing is meaningless.

Of course, there are also posters on this board who for the past three years would point to Dak’s lower yardage totals as reason to criticize and that “winning is a team stat and shouldn’t be attributed to a single player”. And now that his yardage totals are high, some of those posters are pointing out the lack of wins and saying the yardage totals are meaningless.

Well that sword swings the other way too.

Those that were trumpeting Dak’s “W/L record” (which is the dumbest/misguided stat in all of sports btw), are now assigning blame for the losses this season to everyone under the sun.

Can’t have it both ways.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

What's so funny is Dak hates use to say he can't throw for 200 yards, then out was 250 yards and than they moved to 300 yards. Now the narrative is, it's only because of garbage time stats or just padding his stats.


Here's the thing, if you are passing the run game will suffer. If you are running the ball the passing will suffer. You can't expect 300 yards passing and over 100 yards rushing every game. It's one or the other, Dallas isn't losing games because that are throwing more.

With a terrible defense you win games by running the ball and controlling time of possession. Passing the ball with receivers leading the league in drops is bringing the defense back out on the field. Keep them on the bench, that's how Dallas still win games until the defense is better..........or bring in a coach that inspires these players because they aren't motivated with Garrett.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Can we just come up with a consistent standard wether they matter or not? And then apply it equally to say, Zeke and his rushing title when people believe he has declined?

i think they have, its just not accepted by all. Its wins, Championships in particular. Thats been the standard for many years now.

 

[shabazz]

Dak has some issues to be sure just as the previous QB had warts. The problem that both of them had is they both have had to deal with a crappy owner a crappy coaching staff and a defense that when the game is on the line cannot make stops

our defense is horrible its the #1 problem followed by a coaching staff that isnt capable of making good in game decisions and fails to do their homework and be prepared each week for the opponent on their schedule

I agree, and I was against the previous QB getting that big contract too as HE didn't have the players around him to get it done either. I see the same situation and want to have the available money to get a decent defenses in here but Dakotas contract is out of anybody's hands but HIS. I don't begrudge capitalism but GET what you are paying for

 

[doomsday9084]

The scores really aren't doing the games justice. The Cowboys have gotten slaughtered multiple times. Green Bay, Buffalo and Chicago weren't really close at all. Dak really struggled when the game was still in the balance and the defense was running its gameplan against him. Hell, even against Minnesota they were down 14-0.

Dak has put up a ton of meaningless yards this year. As the OP noted, this frequently happens with really bad teams as they get blown out so bad the QB can spend the second half padding his stats.

IMO, the entire organization might be a little delusional. They just don't seem to accept the fact that good teams are regularly running them over.

 

[shabazz]

and in other news, Carson Wentz now had 2 fourth quarter comeback and Dak has Zero for this season.........which is sad because we all know Wentz is abysmal....and at least Dakota didn't let the Giants game get close, so theres my Dakota Appreciation thread for the Day

 

[Ranching]

I was thinking about this.....

Dak's leading the NFL in passing, but so what? We have a losing record and we look like a train wreck. Place blame wherever you want to for our losses - and there's plenty of blame to go around - but this post is about leading the league in passing yards and how it doesn't matter....or does it?

Who's in 2nd place? Jameis Winston. That's gotten the Bucs the same record as the Cowboys. 3rd place? Rivers at 5-8.

Still, I think it matters. I don't care that many of the yards have come when games were out of hand. It still proves that Dak can sling it around with success. A coaching staff that can build a cohesive game plan doesn't have to worry about the limitations of Dak Prescott. I don't know this for sure, but I believe the current staff actively discourages Dak from running the ball. They know that if Dak goes down, any chance of winning goes down with him. Copper Rush just isn't going to get it done where Dak and the team can't. I'm okay with Dak limiting his rushes. As highly as I think of Lamar Jackson, he's still limited this week with a thigh bruise. Whether Jackson can succeed long term utilizing his legs as he has this year remains to be seen.

Before someone jumps in with Dak's INTs this year, just stop. Several were end of half and long, low percentage passes when we had a big lead. I really can't think of one pick that lead to us losing the game.

Just my thoughts.

Dak is a stud QB. Anyone that says otherwise is football ignorant or just trolling.

 

[HungryLion]

Well that sword swings the other way too.

Those that were trumpeting Dak’s “W/L record” (which is the dumbest/misguided stat in all of sports btw), are now assigning blame for the losses this season to everyone under the sun.

Can’t have it both ways.

you’re right it does. Absolutely.

I’ve never touted either thing.

but yes there are posters on both sides of that fence.

Of course, the realities of Dak’s strengths and weakness are far more complicated than just those two things.

 

[BoysForLife]

Well that sword swings the other way too.

Those that were trumpeting Dak’s “W/L record” (which is the dumbest/misguided stat in all of sports btw), are now assigning blame for the losses this season to everyone under the sun.

Can’t have it both ways.

 

[erod]

I was thinking about this.....

Dak's leading the NFL in passing, but so what? We have a losing record and we look like a train wreck. Place blame wherever you want to for our losses - and there's plenty of blame to go around - but this post is about leading the league in passing yards and how it doesn't matter....or does it?

Who's in 2nd place? Jameis Winston. That's gotten the Bucs the same record as the Cowboys. 3rd place? Rivers at 5-8.

Still, I think it matters. I don't care that many of the yards have come when games were out of hand. It still proves that Dak can sling it around with success. A coaching staff that can build a cohesive game plan doesn't have to worry about the limitations of Dak Prescott. I don't know this for sure, but I believe the current staff actively discourages Dak from running the ball. They know that if Dak goes down, any chance of winning goes down with him. Copper Rush just isn't going to get it done where Dak and the team can't. I'm okay with Dak limiting his rushes. As highly as I think of Lamar Jackson, he's still limited this week with a thigh bruise. Whether Jackson can succeed long term utilizing his legs as he has this year remains to be seen.

Before someone jumps in with Dak's INTs this year, just stop. Several were end of half and long, low percentage passes when we had a big lead. I really can't think of one pick that lead to us losing the game.

Just my thoughts.

There are 12-15 quarterbacks who could have led this team to a better record than 6-7 by this point. At least.

Stats mean nothing.

 

[khiladi]

Any NFL QB can sling it around with 10 seconds to throw, one deep safety, man on the outside and teams are daring to beat you. This is the modern-NFL, where everything caters to the pass. A Garrett-led offense, meaning when he called the plays, used to traditionally be a top 5 passing yardage team, but so what? It was still bottom half of the league in scoring, despite all the field goals and red zone in particular.

Whoopti-doo Dak made progress in realizing he's got man coverage on the outside all day long, it took him four years to throw sideline routes with no safety over the top and corners isolated on WRs with incredible speed. So he's made some improvement...

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

There are 12-15 quarterbacks who could have led this team to a better record than 6-7 by this point. At least.

Stats mean nothing.

But, but! Our QB has cool top 10 videos


I'd rather have irrelevant top 10 videos over wins any day !

 

[sean10mm]

Don't the Cowboys have the worst starting field position on offense because of trash special teams? That will both inflate passing yards and depress scoring no matter who your QB is.

 

[doomsday9084]

Dak ranking on passer rating:
2016: 3rd
2017: 18th
2018: 14th
2019: 13th

Passer rating isn't a perfect stat but from what I have seen, QBR is just stupid. I agree with the intent but the implementation is lacking. Not nearly enough credit/detriment for TD's and INT's.

Dak was easily at his best in a run focused offense where he just had to manage the game and not make mistakes.

 

[khiladi]

Don't the Cowboys have the worst starting field position on offense because of trash special teams? That will both inflate passing yards and depress scoring no matter who your QB is.

Their red zone efficiency is garbage.

 

[sean10mm]

Dak ranking on passer rating:
2016: 3rd
2017: 18th
2018: 14th
2019: 13th

Passer rating isn't a perfect stat but from what I have seen, QBR is just stupid. I agree with the intent but the implementation is lacking. Not nearly enough credit/detriment for TD's and INT's.

Dak was easily at his best in a run focused offense where he just had to manage the game and not make mistakes.

QBR ranked Romo super highly in spite of basically being invented by Trent Dilfer to try to prove Romo wasn't clutch in spite of having good conventional stats, so take that for what it's worth lmao