Dak and Leading the NFL in Passing

[sean10mm]

Their red zone efficiency is garbage.

I'm not saying it explains everything, but it's sure a factor. Make 2007 Brady start inside the 20 all the time and his yards would have probably gone up and his TDs would have probably gone down too, simply because it's a longer trip to try and get into the end zone.

 

[Proof]

I know you think you are being super clever but what you are really doing is proving the point of those who criticized Prescott

The Cowboys of the past few years were at their best when Dak was window dressing. The problem is all of his minions and himself and his agent started making false about “his” win/loss Record and demanding that he be paid like an elite quarterback Instead of the bus driver that he was

One need look no further than the early part of 2017 when Zeke was suspended. The responsibility for moving the offense fell almost entirely on Prescott and frankly that was the worst offensive stretch possibly in the history of the franchise, from a perspective of scoring points

So now they pick up Gallup and Cooper and surround Prescott with all sorts of shiny toys and try to make him “the man”. And according to you it’s working. He’s piling up stats

Problem is the team is going in the tank and it’s obvious . And so the sniffer solution is to pay Dak $40 million a year and hope for the best

Of course you recommend this with the full knowledge that a lot of the shiny toys currently at his disposal go bye-bye if he gets paid that kind of money. If he’s not willing to sign for bus driver money and take a supporting role in the offense, then this is absolutely as good as our team can be and it’s only going to get worse as the talent pool diminishes because of a lack of money

You guys wanted Dak to be the star And you got it. And you don’t seem even the slightest bit bothered that the team is sucking butt because of it/. As long as Prescott gets “his” payday and “his” stats, you’re good. And if anyone calls attention to it, then you just conjure up some Romo reference and pound your chest

Pretty sad if you ask me

you are a disingenuous clown. the team can afford whatever they want to do, and the "toys" won't be leaving due to Dak, if at all.

he's a great qb, and while his stats mean nothing presently, if the defense and special teams could perform even passably, this team would be a handful. worst starting field position, worst special teams, least amount of takeaways, most missed tackles.... if these were even league average, we're having a far different conversation. the team isn't faltering because of Dak, it's faltering despite him.

 

[shabazz]

But, but! Our QB has cool top 10 videos


I'd rather have irrelevant top 10 videos over wins any day !

.......and supplanted McNabb for the Title of "Commercial Quarterback who aint won a Damn thing"

 

[erod]

you are a disingenuous clown. the team can afford whatever they want to do, and the "toys" won't be leaving due to Dak, if at all.

he's a great qb, and while his stats mean nothing presently, if the defense and special teams could perform even passably, this team would be a handful. worst starting field position, worst special teams, least amount of takeaways, most missed tackles.... if these were even league average, we're having a far different conversation. the team isn't faltering because of Dak, it's faltering despite him.

That's comical.

The least bit of pressure on Dak, he folds. Running game struggling? He can't save it. Well-disguised defense? He can't diagnose it.

When everything is perfect and he has all day to throw and Zeke is running for big chunks and receivers are running free.......he racks up amazing numbers.

He had 355 yards against Buffalo. He had 334 against Chicago. Two absolutely gawd awful games by this quarterback, but man, he got those stats up in time!!!!

If Ryan Fitzpatrick was the quarterback of this team all year, we'd be 6-7 at least. Probably a game or two better.

We're about to pay a guy $40 million a year who isn't any better, and probably worse, than Ryan Fitzpatrick.

 

[DogFace]

No but, who cant go over 300 yards in 50 throws when the defense is in prevent? Really?

Some said Dak couldn’t

Do you hear yourself? Now it’s garbage time. That’s the new thing. That’s what I mean people don’t care if what they sound like.

Changing the criteria over and over makes for a great argument.

 

[BoysForLife]

you are a disingenuous clown. the team can afford whatever they want to do, and the "toys" won't be leaving due to Dak, if at all.

he's a great qb, and while his stats mean nothing presently, if the defense and special teams could perform even passably, this team would be a handful. worst starting field position, worst special teams, least amount of takeaways, most missed tackles.... if these were even league average, we're having a far different conversation. the team isn't faltering because of Dak, it's faltering despite him.

You know you have a winning argument when you open your statement in such fashion. You guys sure are an intellectual bunch.... LOL

Anyhow--I'll agree the defense was horrid in Chicago, but heading into that game, they were 8th in both points allowed and yards allowed. 8th best in the league. if you want to say they could stand to improve at times, I'll buy that. The defense is not exempt from any blame. I don't view the defense the way you and your cohorts view Dak. But 8th in both points and yards is, at the very least, performing (to borrow your language) "passably" isn't it?

We have two losses THIS YEAR when the defense allowed 13 and 12 points respectively. All our offense had to do was find a way to manufacture 14 points in both of those games and we are sitting at 8-5 right now. Tell us, Proof--how "passable" does our defense have to be, before some of the blame shifts from them to Dak in your eyes?

And I've still yet to have anyone explain the first half of 2018 to me (Pre Cooper) where Dak was under 200 yards passing in 4 of the first 7 games, or that stretch in 2017 when Zeke was suspended. Remember those glory days? Remember that stretch when Prescott had to be "the guy" you so desperately keep telling us he is, and we had a 3 game stretch where we scored 7, 9, and 6 points respectively? Remember him going almost a month without a TD pass? That's your "great" qb? That's your $40 million man? That's what our offense will look like when Cooper and half the O line are gone and Dak actually has to carry a team. That's what you get with this guy. That's who he is, when it's all on him.

Someone points out the obvious fallacy of the prevailing argument in favor of paying Dak mega bucks, and your retort is some basement level insult and declaring the salary cap to be "fake news".

Another fan who is making their decision on Dak based purely on emotion and hope, rather than the reality of the situation. And you know what? I'm not naive. I recognize that the guy who writes the checks agrees with you on this one. It's going to get done, and it will go just like we expect, and in the end, you'll find a way to shift blame to someone, anyone, but precious Dak. And anyone who disagrees with you will not be discussed or merely disagreed with--they'll be insulted, shouted down, told to "go root for another team" etc.

Classic mob mentality. Classic Dak a zoid. Submit, or be run over. Our fate has been decided. Pretty sad.

 

[DogFace]

but it was good enough for some. dak got offered a nice deal. he and his agent turned it down. Thats on them.

So you think a nice deal, as defined by you, is off the table?

I’m guessing after being one of the lowest paid starters he wanted to capitalize on his success.

 

[DogFace]

I guess putting point on the board throughout the game rather than the 4th quarter in garbage time and ALWAYS falling short this season is overrated.

Not a single 2019 regular season 4th quarter comeback despite all the garbage yards

What are his career 4th quarter comeback stats?

Found thishttps://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...tt-now-has-led-nine-fourth-quarter-comebacks/
It says 9. Where does that rank? Is there some reason they shouldn’t be counted in your argument about 4th quarter comebacks?

 

[Proof]

That's comical.

The least bit of pressure on Dak, he folds. Running game struggling? He can't save it. Well-disguised defense? He can't diagnose it.

When everything is perfect and he has all day to throw and Zeke is running for big chunks and receivers are running free.......he racks up amazing numbers.

He had 355 yards against Buffalo. He had 334 against Chicago. Two absolutely gawd awful games by this quarterback, but man, he got those stats up in time!!!!

If Ryan Fitzpatrick was the quarterback of this team all year, we'd be 6-7 at least. Probably a game or two better.

We're about to pay a guy $40 million a year who isn't any better, and probably worse, than Ryan Fitzpatrick.

lol weird. you have two sentences in a row stating he needs everything to go perfect to rack up amazing numbers, but then also say he had two terrible games where he ... got those stats up. you don't even know what you're arguing.

I'm not a proponent for his stats. I don't care about leading the league in stats (him or zeke), my position is that it's not his inflated stats, or focus on passing that are the issue. It's the defense and special teams primarily, and then inability to find a balance in playcalling.

Also Ryan Fitzpatrick is a national treasure.

 

[Jake]

Having Dak throw a lot is not the formula for winning games. Teams realize this and have been taking Zeke away.

Well, when the only way you can win a game is by scoring 30 points you have to throw a lot.

The Cowboys are 6-0 when scoring 30 or more, 0-7 when scoring less than 30. We can think our lousy special teams and middling defense for that.

 

[DogFace]

lol weird. you have two sentences in a row stating he needs everything to go perfect to rack up amazing numbers, but then also say he had two terrible games where he ... got those stats up. you don't even know what you're arguing.

I'm not a proponent for his stats. I don't care about leading the league in stats (him or zeke), my position is that it's not his inflated stats, or focus on passing that are the issue. It's the defense and special teams primarily, and then inability to find a balance in playcalling.

Also Ryan Fitzpatrick is a national treasure.

Yeah. None of us posting the numbers care about them. We’re just trying to make a point which I’m sure is lost on many of them.

 

[mattjames2010]

I'm not saying it explains everything, but it's sure a factor. Make 2007 Brady start inside the 20 all the time and his yards would have probably gone up and his TDs would have probably gone down too, simply because it's a longer trip to try and get into the end zone.

We suck inside the red zone too, especially the past 3 weeks. Near bottom of the league.

 

[sean10mm]

Tom Brady is the only QB in NFL history with a winning record when attempting 50 or more passes.

Every other QB in NFL history has a losing record when the # of pass attempts gets that high. Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, all lose most of the time when they throw a lot. Obviously old guys played in an era where nobody would attempt that, but even with lax rules on passing in the modern era going 100% to the air is a loser's play.

Even if you think Dak is good or even great, if the team puts Dak in that situation it means they've comprehensively failed, because that's true for everybody ever except Brady himself.

The fact that he "only" attempted exactly 49 passes in each of the last two games doesn't change the basic point.

 

[mattjames2010]

Well, when the only way you can win a game is by scoring 30 points you have to throw a lot.

The Cowboys are 6-0 when scoring 30 or more, 0-7 when scoring less than 30. We can think our lousy special teams and middling defense for that.

We’ve lost two games this year when opposing teams didn’t score more than 13 points....

You continue to ignore the slow starts this offense has and I am starting to think you’re doing it on purpose.

 

[MonsterD]

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/dak-leads-the-nfl-in-passing.447598/

why did you make another one?

 

[BoysForLife]

We’ve lost two games this year when opposing teams didn’t score more than 13 points....

You continue to ignore the slow starts this offense has and I am starting to think you’re doing it on purpose.

 

[Proof]

You know you have a winning argument when you open your statement in such fashion. You guys sure are an intellectual bunch.... LOL

Anyhow--I'll agree the defense was horrid in Chicago, but heading into that game, they were 8th in both points allowed and yards allowed. 8th best in the league. if you want to say they could stand to improve at times, I'll buy that. The defense is not exempt from any blame. I don't view the defense the way you and your cohorts view Dak. But 8th in both points and yards is, at the very least, performing (to borrow your language) "passably" isn't it?

We have two losses THIS YEAR when the defense allowed 13 and 12 points respectively. All our offense had to do was find a way to manufacture 14 points in both of those games and we are sitting at 8-5 right now. Tell us, Proof--how "passable" does our defense have to be, before some of the blame shifts from them to Dak in your eyes?

We can really spin things however suits us best. Overall you'd be hardpressed to find any fan that thinks the defense has played well overall. Are you the one? Sure 8th best sounds good in a vacuum, but do you think the defense has played well this season? Do you think having the fewest takeovers in the league and leading the league in missed tackles is playing well or passably? Did you enjoy watching Aaron Jones score four td's on us? Did you enjoy seeing the widely panned and abandoned Mitch Trubisky resurrect his career against us? How about Cole Beasley's revenge game? Sam D'arnold tossing a 92 yd td pass etc etc? They've been down-right BAD overall, after seeming like they were preparing to take the leap this year. Beyond that, I said defense AND special teams. The combined impact of generating no turnovers and having the worst starting field position is a recipe for disaster and has played out predictably. I'm not for blame shifting or looking to protect anyone, there's plenty to go around and Dak deserves his share too. I just don't believe that he's been the reason our season has gone so poorly this year.

And I've still yet to have anyone explain the first half of 2018 to me (Pre Cooper) where Dak was under 200 yards passing in 4 of the first 7 games, or that stretch in 2017 when Zeke was suspended. Remember those glory days? Remember that stretch when Prescott had to be "the guy" you so desperately keep telling us he is, and we had a 3 game stretch where we scored 7, 9, and 6 points respectively? Remember him going almost a month without a TD pass? That's your "great" qb? That's your $40 million man? That's what our offense will look like when Cooper and half the O line are gone and Dak actually has to carry a team. That's what you get with this guy. That's who he is, when it's all on him.

Dak was putrid during that nearly year-long stretch. To the point I was ready to wash my hands of him. I expected him to struggle without zeke, without a number 1, without Tyron, and maybe even worse WITH Chaz Green. But I didn't expect him to look like he'd never played QB before. He regressed horribly and I was just about to the breaking point, until we got Amari. The reason I am so supportive now, is because I was so critically previously. He won me back, and has proven to me that he's every bit a franchise guy. Obviously Amari and Gallup's emergence have been huge, and the toys play a part, but I believe that a large portion is Dak himself. He's made some throws this year that we all thought he couldn't previously. All over the field, in tight windows, over the shoulder, DIMES. That's work he put in, that's Kitna's guidance and assistance, that's development. Do I think he could've / would've been able to do that 2 years ago? I don't. I think he's progressed tremendously in addition to having a great corp, but I don't think that he's entirely dependent on them at this point.

Someone points out the obvious fallacy of the prevailing argument in favor of paying Dak mega bucks, and your retort is some basement level insult and declaring the salary cap to be "fake news".

I didn't say anything about the cap being fake news. They can afford both Dak and Amari. Zeke is already signed, and so is ALL of the line. So what weapons is he going to run off? Gallup? Remains to be seen I suppose, but we can afford both Dak and Amari currently.

Another fan who is making their decision on Dak based purely on emotion and hope, rather than the reality of the situation. And you know what? I'm not naive. I recognize that the guy who writes the checks agrees with you on this one. It's going to get done, and it will go just like we expect, and in the end, you'll find a way to shift blame to someone, anyone, but precious Dak. And anyone who disagrees with you will not be discussed or merely disagreed with--they'll be insulted, shouted down, told to "go root for another team" etc.

Classic mob mentality. Classic Dak a zoid. Submit, or be run over. Our fate has been decided. Pretty sad.

I haven't even voiced a decision to make, so you have no idea of thought process (well maybe now after this post). I'm not emotionally invested in Dak, I've been pragmatic as hell with him along the way. I enjoyed the rookie season despite not knowing what to make of it, was optimistic for the 2nd season and thoroughly disappointed and reserved judgement until year 3. Before the Amari trade I had decided he wasn't the guy, since then he's been a revelation. It's a lot to unpack imo but a long the way I've fallen to the side that he's the guy. Not a Dak homer, nor blind defender, I just hate arguments in bad faith.

 

[starfan1]

I agree, and I was against the previous QB getting that big contract too as HE didn't have the players around him to get it done either. I see the same situation and want to have the available money to get a decent defenses in here but Dakotas contract is out of anybody's hands but HIS. I don't begrudge capitalism but GET what you are paying for

what they do with dak in terms of contract i dont really care.I also dont care if they franchise him. I spent to much negative energy being pissed about the last overpaid QB Im not doing it with this one its the market.I know this he isnt as bad as you and others portray him and not as good as myself at times and others portray him but we can win with him I know because we have.

while it can be debated just how many quality players each of these 2 QB's have or haven't had what cant be debated is whether or not the front office always make the correct choices when an opportunity is there. The Tristan Hill and taco picks are the ones that are most recent but these guys have a history of failures. They have some hits but when they fail they massively fail.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

The solution to the Cowboys' problems in beating good teams shouldn't be that complicated. For example, the Chargers were 12-4 last year, this year they are 5-8, with essentially the same team. What changed? Not much, but last year they won close games a lot, this year they have lost close games a lot.

Last year Mahomes threw 50 td passes. This year he's on pace for about 25. Yet the Chiefs are still winning a lot of games.

You don't need wholesale changes, the talent level is pretty close, team to team. A bit of better coaching can make a world of difference. The Chiefs still have Reid as their coach, why the drop off in passing touchdowns? You quit doing the same thing year after year, game after game.

Until our coaching staff realizes this, or the coaches change, doesn't matter if Dak throws 50 times a game or 25 times a game, if the plays don't change they'll still lose...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So you think a nice deal, as defined by you, is off the table?

I’m guessing after being one of the lowest paid starters he wanted to capitalize on his success.

I never said anything like that. I said he was offered a nice deal and he and his agent did not accept it. That's on them. I'm sure he did want to capitalize but either way, that decision is on him and his agent, either way.