Looking back On the Demarcus Lawrence contract

[ABQCOWBOY]

He got paid to do what is in the clip above, just as Zeke got paid b/c of what he allows, say, Michael Gallup to do.

How is a defender supposed to get a sack on that?

Well, if that's your opinion, that's fine but don't try and tell everybody else that he's getting it done because he clearly has not, up to this point.

He's paid to get sacks. How he gets it done is on him. What that video shows is no different then any other season. How in the world did he get sacks before? Sorry, we don't agree but then again, I was never for paying him what we did.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Nooooo y’all keep looking at his sacks he’s doubled tripled on passing downs pay attention to tank in the run game he’s earning his contract

Not my problem. He got paid to get it done. He ain't getting it done. That's how the world works. I don't want to hear about getting blocked up. Nothing has changed in how you block people. Besides, it aint just sacks, his numbers are down across the board. Make excuses for him but not to me. I ain't going for it.

 

[Future]

its the same struggle Mack and Miller are having this year they only have 2 more sacks then Tank...it happens he could have 20 next year..as long as hes playing hard and effecting the offense, im cool with that..

Clowney only has 3, Flowers only has 7. Sack numbers are dictated by what offenses do, they're simply not indicative of how good a DL player is.

There are 3 instances (IIRC) of DLaw hitting the arm of the QB and the ball being ruled an incomplete pass. QB simply deciding to hold it instead of risking the pass is 3 more sacks, and we're not having this convo.

 

[Future]

We are ranked 14th in sacks. I know, I know, it's not all about sacks. You put pressure on the QB and force them to make bad throws which would be fine except we are tied for last place with 6 INT's on the year so apparently we are not doing that very well either.

Right, which is exactly my critique of the coaching lol.

 

[Chill35]

too soon to judge that deal, he was healing from surgery and his stats may not show it but hes giving max effort and effecting lays with pressure and tackling the Rbs etc..

Thats what I say. Let's stay positive since we are screwed as it is. Same with Zeke. Let's just support the guys that have already been paid.

 

[Beaker42]

His contract is fine.

No, it really isn’t. Between #21 and DL we have way too much money on 2 guys. Last time I looked neither one of these guys can play all 33 spots at same time.

 

[jrumann59]

His job is the run first, on "regular" downs. Unlike Quinn who gets to go full speed to the QB and is a liability in the run game. Bennett and Quinn have taken advantage of the attention Lawrence Draws.

 

[Future]

No, it really isn’t. Between #21 and DL we have way too much money on 2 guys. Last time I looked neither one of these guys can play all 33 spots at same time.

You're not paying those guys in a vacuum. You're paying those guys for what they allow others to do. Same principle but smaller scale as QB.

 

[exciter]

I've heard this before. I don't agree. He has 5 sacks, we are not talking about being down a couple from last year. He is down in every category across the board. Sorry, getting chipped from a TE is part of playing the position. It always has been, it always will be. He got paid to do one thing. He ain't doing that and that's just the truth.

He got paid to play all aspects of defensive end position, something he's been doing at an exceptionally high level!

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

He's had a very solid year! And he's coming off of surgery. No complaints here. People are so enamored with sacks...ughh.

Does he have a very solid contract?

 

[Ranching]

I don't worry about other peoples money.

 

[cern]

we neutralized aaron McDonald last week in the rams game. even the best need help from their teammates. tank faces a lot of double teams.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He got paid to play all aspects of defensive end position, something he's been doing at an exceptionally high level!

Stats certainly don't bear that out and I can 100% say that I have not seen that. I haven't seen the effort that I've seen from him in the past. So no, this sounds like we definitely disagree.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You're not paying those guys in a vacuum. You're paying those guys for what they allow others to do. Same principle but smaller scale as QB.

This is completely wrong. If this were the case, then every position would be paid in a uniformed manner. This is completely wrong. You do pay these guys in a vacuum and like it or not, it is result oriented.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I don't worry about other peoples money.

Rosters have salary caps. His money could’ve went to an early Thomas or someone

 

[BigTimeBlues]

Well, if that's your opinion, that's fine but don't try and tell everybody else that he's getting it done because he clearly has not, up to this point.

He's paid to get sacks. How he gets it done is on him. What that video shows is no different then any other season. How in the world did he get sacks before? Sorry, we don't agree but then again, I was never for paying him what we did.

That's a bit of a contradiction, don't you think? You're literally doing what you're telling him not to do.

To say that a DE gets paid to only get sacks is a bit absurd. So, CBs are paid to only get INTs?

It's like having one of the best for cover corners in the game, a shut down guy, and complaining that he doesn't get INTs.

Yes, the "wow" stats get you larger contracts..but please don't act if the only thing a DEs money comes from is sacks. There are a whole slew of responsibilities for each position.

 

[Ranching]

Rosters have salary caps. His money could’ve went to an early Thomas or someone

But it didn't, so why worry about it. Like we have any say in what Jerry does.

 

[visionary]

It is impossible for him to rack up sacks with a) the way he's blocked b) the way he's used to stunt so often and c) how quick opposing teams get the ball out. This is why they paid him, and why he's worth every dollar:

He's doubled and the ball is out in less than 2.5 seconds. There's no chance for a DL to get a sack on that, but he's still influencing the play.

Sacks are a quarterback and offense stat. The sooner we get to understanding that, the better off we'll be. He still ranks 4th in pass-rush win rate - ahead of Mack, Miller, the Bosas, etc. etc. Look at his peers in double-teams vs. win rate. This is an elite group.

It’s a good thing NFL teams don’t know that Barrett, Jones, Jordan , Hunter and Watt are good otherwise they might get the same “treatment “ that the great D Law gets

please make the insanity stop

Please

it was a bad contract

 

[JohnBoy]

too soon to judge that deal, he was healing from surgery and his stats may not show it but hes giving max effort and effecting lays with pressure and tackling the Rbs etc..

Healing from a surgery that Tank chose to wait until the last possible milisecond to get done. And that's on him.

 

[Future]

This is completely wrong. If this were the case, then every position would be paid in a uniformed manner. This is completely wrong. You do pay these guys in a vacuum and like it or not, it is result oriented.

Nope. You pay them b/c of individual results to a degree, but more than that, you pay because of the results they enable for players around them and how they dictate what the opponent does.

You pay your QB b/c he improves WR/RB results.
You pay your LT b/c he improves QB results.
You pay your DT, b/c he improves LB results.

You pay your DE b/c he forces the offense to shift blocking.
You pay your RB b/c he forces the defense to commit an extra safety to the box.

The list goes on and on, and varies from team to team. But no big-money position is paid in a vacuum. When you pay DLaw, you're also paying for the production of Quinn and Collins. When you pay Zeke, you're also paying for Gallup's production against man coverage. The positions generally paid in a vacuum- LB, SS, FB, TE - generally make the least, because they have the least amount of influence on the players around them, or are a product of the big-money players.

Do you really think that Jordan Phillips should get a larger contract than Aaron Donald, or that Benson Mayowa should make double Jadeveon Clowney? No.