Looking back On the Demarcus Lawrence contract

[ABQCOWBOY]

Right here lol. Don't try to add the "just" qualifier now.
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What numbers are you even talking about? He's elite in his win rate. Volume numbers don't matter.

Yes. And Clowney will get it next year too.

The proof is that Quinn and Collins are both in top-5 in win rate, and the fact that they don't give up anything through the air on long-developing routes.

You know future, I like you. I don't always agree with you but I do like you, which is why I hate to see you do this kind of stuff.

Yes or no, would he have gotten paid if he could not have registered double digit sacks? Yes or No?

Results matter and while you call out Quinn or Collins, lets see if the team pays them top dollar or not. Quinn was doing this before DLaw was playing on the other side so I don't buy that whole, it's DLaw making him successful. Collins is getting his stuff pushed in against the run almost every game so no, I don't buy that win ratio crap at all. Winning is the idea, not some win ration discussion. People are running over our defense regularly. I mean, if you want to hang your hat on that, that's cool with me but I see the product on the field with that guy. I'm way less then impressed. Sorry, I don't buy it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Volume doesn't matter. His pressure rate is elite.

Yes, sacks are an offensive stat. I don't care if you have Reggie White, Warren Sapp, Aaron Donald, and Charles Haley rushing the passer. Quick throws and moving the pocket will prevent sacks if that's what an offense wants to do.

Your story, you tell it. I don't agree even a little bit.

 

[StarBoyz83]

We should have traded him for picks, but the DL depth was a dumpster fire.

Still is lol

 

[America's Cowboy]

It is impossible for him to rack up sacks with a) the way he's blocked b) the way he's used to stunt so often and c) how quick opposing teams get the ball out. This is why they paid him, and why he's worth every dollar:

He's doubled and the ball is out in less than 2.5 seconds. There's no chance for a DL to get a sack on that, but he's still influencing the play.

Sacks are a quarterback and offense stat. The sooner we get to understanding that, the better off we'll be. He still ranks 4th in pass-rush win rate - ahead of Mack, Miller, the Bosas, etc. etc. Look at his peers in double-teams vs. win rate. This is an elite group.

That play took longer than 2.5 seconds for the QB to release that pass.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Sacks are a quarterback and offense stat. The sooner we get to understanding that, the better off we'll be. He still ranks 4th in pass-rush win rate - ahead of Mack, Miller, the Bosas, etc. etc. Look at his peers in double-teams vs. win rate. This is an elite group.

Notice Quinn has the highest win rate on the chart by a significant margin while only being beaten by double team rate by half a dozen players, and then only marginally. He's arguably the most effective pass rusher by these metrics.

Add in his relative bargain price, and he's a fantastic deal for us. People can moan about his run defense, but given how much we rotate the dline anyway, a pass rush specialist makes total sense for us. Much more sense than paying elite money for a player who at best will only get played 70% of the snaps anyway. We should really work on resigning him as such. Pass rush specialists work for us.

 

[Future]

Notice Quinn has the highest win rate on the chart by a significant margin while only being beaten by double team rate by half a dozen players, and then only marginally. He's arguably the most effective pass rusher by these metrics.

Add in his relative bargain price, and he's a fantastic deal for us. People can moan about his run defense, but given how much we rotate the dline anyway, a pass rush specialist makes total sense for us. Much more sense than paying elite money for a player who at best will only get played 70% of the snaps anyway. We should really work on resigning him as such. Pass rush specialists work for us.

Agree that quin makes a lot of sense for us - he led the league last year too, I believe.

I don't think they ever intended Quinn to have to play as many snaps as he has. They probably planned to hide his deficiencies against the run a lot more than they've been able to.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Quinn goes all out to get to the QB on almost every play. So maybe DLaw adjusted his play for the betterment of the team. Can't have two DE's going all out to get to the QB on every play. We would get gutted on the ground if that happened.

But personally I wanted us to sign Preston Smith instead of re-signing DLaw.

 

[Verdict]

Do you think the attention Lawrence is getting is unique to the Dallas Cowboys? Top pass rushers get attention and they still produce. Lawrence hasn’t justified his contract. Not even close.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Agree that quin makes a lot of sense for us - he led the league last year too, I believe.

I don't think they ever intended Quinn to have to play as many snaps as he has. They probably planned to hide his deficiencies against the run a lot more than they've been able to.

Good point. They probably planned to have Crawford play more RDE in the base defense.

And now with Bennett on the team, Quinn's snaps have dropped a little. Down to 60% last game.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Q/QuinRo00/fantasy/2019

 

[CowboysRule]

not tanks fault we cant turn around to get more INts, is it?

I never said it was. It was more a shot at the scheme we are running. I think Tank has been playing well given the circumstances.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Can we just let Jaylon, DLaw, Zeke, et al all play a season or two before we pronounce the contract extensions a bust?

I can't wait until next year when we re-sign Dak for a fortune and he has his first bad game.

 

[408Cowboy]

I don't worry about other peoples money.

 

[Redball Express]

He is not producing, regardless of contract, to this point. I don't care if you were paying him 5 million a year, he's not getting it done to this point. He has 5 sacks, which is what he's paid to do, but his numbers are way down across the board.

Instead of blaming Tank..

put the blame where it should be...

on the Cowboys for dragging the signing out too long.

They knew what they were going to pay him in advance.

They should have signed him when the season ended and then gotten the surgery done right away.

No 3 months later.

He had not had time to heal or get strength back when TC started.

So he is behind and next year he should be much better.

Do you guys have any idea how long it takes to fully recover from a surgery?

When they have to cut thru muscles to get to the repair..

it takes longer for the recovery because there is atrophy of the muscle and that takes time to recover.

While we are at the subject of bungling..

The reason Zeke had a slow start this year.?

Cowboys delayed signing him all summer and he was not in shape.

Again..they knew what he was going to be getting but played games.

Now we are doing the same with Dak and Cooper.

Both are now injured and the Cowboy FO is looking very unloyal.

Take it easy guys. Be patient.

 

[InTheZone]

It is impossible for him to rack up sacks with a) the way he's blocked b) the way he's used to stunt so often and c) how quick opposing teams get the ball out. This is why they paid him, and why he's worth every dollar:

He's doubled and the ball is out in less than 2.5 seconds. There's no chance for a DL to get a sack on that, but he's still influencing the play.

Sacks are a quarterback and offense stat. The sooner we get to understanding that, the better off we'll be. He still ranks 4th in pass-rush win rate - ahead of Mack, Miller, the Bosas, etc. etc. Look at his peers in double-teams vs. win rate. This is an elite group.

bu, but contract!!! don't care if he has 5 blockers he's sUpPoSeD tO gEt sAcKs...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

People just watch the stat sheets not the games. DLaw is fine, he's the major reason why the guy on the other end of the line looks so good now if the two edge rushers could get some legit help inside, its ball game.

That guy, on the other end of the line, was putting up numbers way before he ever got to Dallas so yeah, prove that it's DLaw.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Instead of blaming Tank..

put the blame where it should be...

on the Cowboys for dragging the signing out too long.

They knew what they were going to pay him in advance.

They should have signed him when the season ended and then gotten the surgery done right away.

No 3 months later.

He had not had time to heal or get strength back when TC started.

So he is behind and next year he should be much better.

Do you guys have any idea how long it takes to fully recover from a surgery?

When they have to cut thru muscles to get to the repair..

it takes longer for the recovery because there is atrophy of the muscle and that takes time to recover.

While we are at the subject of bungling..

The reason Zeke had a slow start this year.?

Cowboys delayed signing him all summer and he was not in shape.

Again..they knew what he was going to be getting but played games.

Now we are doing the same with Dak and Cooper.

Both are now injured and the Cowboy FO is looking very unloyal.

Take it easy guys. Be patient.

Blaming Tank? For what, for not getting that shoulder taken care of in the offseason when he had plenty of time and could have had it healed up before it ever became a problem or excuse? For using it as leverage in a negotiation? For not producing after he got paid? Why shouldn't I? All of that is true. But no worries, I have plenty left for the team as well. We should have never paid him what we did but hey, the team allowed this. They could have traded him or walked away. There is plenty of blame to go around, no worries.

 

[Redball Express]

That guy, on the other end of the line, was putting up numbers way before he ever got to Dallas so yeah, prove that it's DLaw.

Quinn has been a huge help with Tank still not 100%.

They definitely need to keep him as Bennett probably leaves..

Trysten Hill still is not contributing as expected and Crawford coming back from season ending injury.

We need to stop the back rolling we seem to always go thru with developing a defensive anchor player then losing him.

We also need to get away from playing the DL by committee like Marinelli likes to do.

I know it's cheaper, but not conducive to winning.

We do not allow that on offense.

 

[Common Sense]

Still is lol

What are you talking about? Stephen just said this week that this roster is as good as the 90s teams.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Its the only time in the history of the NFL where a player threatened to not get an injury fixed if he wasn't rewarded with a new contract. Further evidence this is one of the worst front offices in football.

 

[Haimerej]

Stats certainly don't bear that out and I can 100% say that I have not seen that. I haven't seen the effort that I've seen from him in the past. So no, this sounds like we definitely disagree.

The game of football bears it out.