Cowboys should start Cooper Rush in week 17

[OmerV]

Of all the objections...you went with this one? There's at least 2 or 3 bona fide reasons to play Cooper, and NFL can;t do jack.

The only reason to play Cooper would be if Dak were too injured to be the better player or if his long term health were at risk, and you can’t call that bona fide because you don’t know that to be the case.

 

[blueblood70]

And you know for a fact Dak is too injured to be more effective than Rush? Sorry, but you don’t have foundation for that.

As for seeing if Rush can be an effective backup, you don’t go that route with a playoff berth on the line.

you need foundation

Daks last 5 games-all bad

NE- oh it was wet and had no glove but Dak threw off target pretty bad but let the excuse of the weather let him off the hook even thought the first half Zeke was running great but hey it was NE on the road against a great d..

Buffalo- once again Zeke and the line were pushing buffalo all off the ball and was doing well, Dak was hucking footballs to air and so off taget and ducks I thought he was throwing a shotput.. it was an ugly display of passing.

Chi-wow once again Zeke ruining well, line wasn't giving him a ton of time but Dak was inconsistent and inaccurate ALL Game..

Rams game - oh the excuse when di he or didnt he get hurt? does it matter he was not throwing well from beginning to end but see the theme here oline was blocking well Zeke and pollard went off, defense played well, we WON despite another bad game.. let the excuse of him being banged up commence..

Philly Sure first half team wasn't playing well across the board..BUT,

You all the media can blame the coaches all he wants, Dak Prescott in the second half alone missed more wide open WRS that would have been big chunk plays, scores, 1st downs or stopped the clocks and for sure moved more chains with YAC then ive seen any starter EVER in one game..

the coaches adjusted in the 2nd half, zeke ran better, line gave dak more time and the WRS were running wide open(some plays 2 were wide open) and DAK missed them ALL..it was one of the worst games ive ever seen him play but the 4 games leading up to him was a downward spiral that bottomed out in the 2nd half of that philly game..

We wouldn't be sitting here ripping a coach for rotating zeke or Amari in and out and for losing if Dak would have just hit half those misses or even made more clean Completions that didnt stop the WRs!! lead the muther fn receivers, thats what separates a thrower from a passer in the nfl.

Dak stunk it up and this game is on his shoulders.. who cares if amari would have been in , dak wouldn't have seen him open like a td he never attempted or would have missed the throw anyway..

it made no difference as our QB Choked..thats a fact that most forgot already or choose to bash the coaches when no matter how great they would have been, with a QB having his worst game, it woundnt have mattered..

So Yes i bet Rush would have given us a better chance in the second half last week and most likely this week injury or not, Dak has lost it mentally like folfer or kicker getting the yips.. it wasnt one game or one half or an injury this happend like 6 straight weeks.

im not blaming the entire 7-8 record and blown season on Dak but for sure the last month plus hes been simply bad..

 

[OmerV]

you need foundation

Daks last 5 games-all bad

NE- oh it was wet and had no glove but Dak threw off target pretty bad but let the excuse of the weather let him off the hook even thought the first half Zeke was running great but hey it was NE on the road against a great d..

Buffalo- once again Zeke and the line were pushing buffalo all off the ball and was doing well, Dak was hucking footballs to air and so off taget and ducks I thought he was throwing a shotput.. it was an ugly display of passing.

Chi-wow once again Zeke ruining well, line wasn't giving him a ton of time but Dak was inconsistent and inaccurate ALL Game..

Rams game - oh the excuse when di he or didnt he get hurt? does it matter he was not throwing well from beginning to end but see the theme here oline was blocking well Zeke and pollard went off, defense played well, we WON despite another bad game.. let the excuse of him being banged up commence..

Philly Sure first half team wasn't playing well across the board..BUT,

You all the media can blame the coaches all he wants, Dak Prescott in the second half alone missed more wide open WRS that would have been big chunk plays, scores, 1st downs or stopped the clocks and for sure moved more chains with YAC then ive seen any starter EVER in one game..

the coaches adjusted in the 2nd half, zeke ran better, line gave dak more time and the WRS were running wide open(some plays 2 were wide open) and DAK missed them ALL..it was one of the worst games ive ever seen him play but the 4 games leading up to him was a downward spiral that bottomed out in the 2nd half of that philly game..

We wouldn't be sitting here ripping a coach for rotating zeke or Amari in and out and for losing if Dak would have just hit half those misses or even made more clean Completions that didnt stop the WRs!! lead the muther fn receivers, thats what separates a thrower from a passer in the nfl.

Dak stunk it up and this game is on his shoulders.. who cares if amari would have been in , dak wouldn't have seen him open like a td he never attempted or would have missed the throw anyway..

it made no difference as our QB Choked..thats a fact that most forgot already or choose to bash the coaches when no matter how great they would have been, with a QB having his worst game, it woundnt have mattered..

So Yes i bet Rush would have given us a better chance in the second half last week and most likely this week injury or not, Dak has lost it mentally like folfer or kicker getting the yips.. it wasnt one game or one half or an injury this happend like 6 straight weeks.

im not blaming the entire 7-8 record and blown season on Dak but for sure the last month plus hes been simply bad..

So, if Zeke has bad games Olawale is automatically a better RB option. If Tyron Smith has some below par games, Cameron Fleming is automatically the way to go.

That’s your argument - either be elite every week or a low level backup is automatically deemed a better player to go with.

Of course, this is aside from the fact you are exaggerating on Dak. Dak admittedly was bad last week, but while the weeks prior to that were not his best of the season, he was at a bare minimum an average level NFL starter. Cooper Rush, for all we know, isn’t even an average level NFL backup.

 

[blueblood70]

So, if Zeke has bad games Olawale is automatically a better RB option. If Tyron Smith has some below par games, Cameron Fleming is automatically the way to go.

That’s your argument - either be elite every week or a low level backup is automatically deemed a better player to go with.

I nor did anyone say Rush is better but the way Dak played the last month , how could Rush be worse, the 2nd half of that philly game Dak should have been pulled and Rush should have played..he would have been healthy and maybe not have the yips ie a mental block

typically Zeke doesnt have bad games unless the line isnt blocking well etc so Pollard or Olalawle wouldn't do much better in those circumstances BUT I saw our Line block well and zeke was running very well the first half of Ne-Chicago but we got behind do to bad defense and ST, it was put on Dak, he still looked bad regardless of the situation for most of the last half of the season....

so as bad as Dak was throwing's maybe it was injuries' , who knows, Rush should have gotten some series or a game..Dak was missing many ide open WRs, it was tough to watch...

 

[BoysForLife]

Not sarcasm.

I don't believe Rush is adequate as a backup. We need to find out.

Rush will make some plays because he knows what to do, but his arm appears to be just too weak. I don't think he even has the arm of a Colt McCoy, Case Keenum, or Matt Cassell, and those guys arms simply were not good enough.

My apologies K

I totally misread your comment as a sarcastic take.

I wish the eagles Giants game was at 1

Would make it easier to get Rush some snaps if it didn't matter. In this scenario Garrett has every excuse to treat this as the most important game in history with a potential playoff berth (and perhaps his job) on the line

 

[cityochamps]

you need foundation

Daks last 5 games-all bad

NE- oh it was wet and had no glove but Dak threw off target pretty bad but let the excuse of the weather let him off the hook even thought the first half Zeke was running great but hey it was NE on the road against a great d..

Buffalo- once again Zeke and the line were pushing buffalo all off the ball and was doing well, Dak was hucking footballs to air and so off taget and ducks I thought he was throwing a shotput.. it was an ugly display of passing.

Chi-wow once again Zeke ruining well, line wasn't giving him a ton of time but Dak was inconsistent and inaccurate ALL Game..

Rams game - oh the excuse when di he or didnt he get hurt? does it matter he was not throwing well from beginning to end but see the theme here oline was blocking well Zeke and pollard went off, defense played well, we WON despite another bad game.. let the excuse of him being banged up commence..

Philly Sure first half team wasn't playing well across the board..BUT,

You all the media can blame the coaches all he wants, Dak Prescott in the second half alone missed more wide open WRS that would have been big chunk plays, scores, 1st downs or stopped the clocks and for sure moved more chains with YAC then ive seen any starter EVER in one game..

the coaches adjusted in the 2nd half, zeke ran better, line gave dak more time and the WRS were running wide open(some plays 2 were wide open) and DAK missed them ALL..it was one of the worst games ive ever seen him play but the 4 games leading up to him was a downward spiral that bottomed out in the 2nd half of that philly game..

We wouldn't be sitting here ripping a coach for rotating zeke or Amari in and out and for losing if Dak would have just hit half those misses or even made more clean Completions that didnt stop the WRs!! lead the muther fn receivers, thats what separates a thrower from a passer in the nfl.

Dak stunk it up and this game is on his shoulders.. who cares if amari would have been in , dak wouldn't have seen him open like a td he never attempted or would have missed the throw anyway..

it made no difference as our QB Choked..thats a fact that most forgot already or choose to bash the coaches when no matter how great they would have been, with a QB having his worst game, it woundnt have mattered..

So Yes i bet Rush would have given us a better chance in the second half last week and most likely this week injury or not, Dak has lost it mentally like folfer or kicker getting the yips.. it wasnt one game or one half or an injury this happend like 6 straight weeks.

im not blaming the entire 7-8 record and blown season on Dak but for sure the last month plus hes been simply bad..

Cant really argue with any of this, but Jerry Loves Dak so he isn't going anywhere, Dak shows signs of being above average but not consistently, hopefully the new coach can move Dak along and make him better. I also saw a few dropped passes in key games/situations that was not on Dak. I'm not against giving cooper a shot today if we get behind and Dak's shoulder is affecting his game, I would also put him in if we by some strange reason decide to play how we can play and get a three touch down lead on a hapless skins team.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

And you know for a fact Dak is too injured to be more effective than Rush? Sorry, but you don’t have foundation for that.

As for seeing if Rush can be an effective backup, you don’t go that route with a playoff berth on the line.

I never said "I know for a fact"...I even put an "IF" in there as a qualifier. Some would argue he was injured last week, which may have hurt the team. Plus you put a player in danger playing with certain injuries. This isn't as far fetched as your agenda makes it. You are changing what I said just for argument.


I would agree, playing Rush would be a gamble (provided no Dak injury), but it's a symptom of uncertainty and frustration. For some it makes sense, for others not. That's fine.

 

[kskboys]

My apologies K

I totally misread your comment as a sarcastic take.

I wish the eagles Giants game was at 1

Would make it easier to get Rush some snaps if it didn't matter. In this scenario Garrett has every excuse to treat this as the most important game in history with a potential playoff berth (and perhaps his job) on the line

It's all about discussion and getting to the gist of it!!!!!

Yup, I know. I'd love to see what Rush can do against NFL quality defenders. No, I don't think he can do it, but I like the guy, and we really do need to see if he can move the ball well enough to at least be a backup.

 

[OmerV]

I never said "I know for a fact"...I even put an "IF" in there as a qualifier. Some would argue he was injured last week, which may have hurt the team. Plus you put a player in danger playing with certain injuries. This isn't as far fetched as your agenda makes it. You are changing what I said just for argument.


I would agree, playing Rush would be a gamble (provided no Dak injury), but it's a symptom of uncertainty and frustration. For some it makes sense, for others not. That's fine.

How does playing lesser players and making it harder to win ease the frustration?

 

[BoysForLife]

Your claim that Dak is operating in better circumstances than Romo is completely laughable, among them that Dak plays under Garrett. Romo player with Garrett officially calling the plays. Romo wasn’t even allowed in game planning. Dak NEVER did. Dak had the top 3 OL in the league, with four all pro linemen and the best RB in the league, while Romo had journeymen OL that was over-rated trash. Julius Jones Dan behind Romo, Dak has Zeke. Romo saw deep 2 cover zone all day because defenses feared his arm, while defenses dare Dak to beat them with single coverage, one deep safety.

Getting to the playoffs under Quincy Carter was ONE year. In year 4, when Parcells brought in his guys, Romo saved his JOB. They didn’t even switch to a 3-4 by then. The only reason the Cowboys lost your Seattle is because of Parcells ridiculously absurd conservative game plan to not attack Seattle’s third string CBS.

In fact, the fruits of the 2016 season were in fact, built on the concepts implemented by Romo when Jerry completely banished Garrett from playcalling in 2014,

Your post is the most inaccurate post ever written on this forum.

Dak would have won 1 game under the same circumstances as Romo. Your post is like comparing Rush with the third stringers and practice squad in pre-season with Dak in pre-season with the first strong OL.

 

[BoysForLife]

How does playing lesser players and making it harder to win ease the frustration?

How does having your starters lose to a horrible team ease the frustration?

The eagles had, what, a dozen guys on IR?
And still manhandled us? That's about as frustrating as it gets brother

Dak is asking for $40 million. If we played Rush and the drop off wasn't super dramatic, that would be good to know when trying to decide what to do vis a vis Dak's negotiations, wouldn't it?

 

[Rockport]

Time to move on from Dak. Jerry needs to jump out ahead of all the off season drama of the “to pay Dak or not Pay Dak BS.”

Move on. Let’s make it about football around here and not who gives good interviews. We will not get a good coach to come here if the worse player on our offense is the highest paid player on the team. The new coach is going to want to draft his guy or bring the free agent of his choice at about $9-10 million.

So why not go ahead and end the Dak offseason Saga and let Cooper Rush get a chance. Hell, might even find out he is capable enough to make the easy throws Dak gets praised for. Might find out if he is good enough to keep around to be the backup next year.

There should be some kind of football knowledge screening of new members so we don’t have to put up with this nonsense.

 

[OmerV]

How does having your starters lose to a horrible team ease the frustration?

The eagles had, what, a dozen guys on IR?
And still manhandled us? That's about as frustrating as it gets brother

Dak is asking for $40 million. If we played Rush and the drop off wasn't super dramatic, that would be good to know when trying to decide what to do vis a vis Dak's negotiations, wouldn't it?

So, you are treating it as certain the team will lose to Washington? That makes no sense. A loss is far from certain, and is probably even unlikely as long as the Cowboys use the players that provide the best chance to win. What you are proposing is to decrease the odds of winning.

As for the Eagles game, that comment also makes no sense. That game doesnt guarantee how future games will go any more than the Cowboys destroying the Eagles in the first meeting guaranteed how future Eagle games would go. Both common sense and history tell us that.

 

[BoysForLife]

So, you are treating it as certain the team will lose to Washington? That makes no sense. A loss is far from certain, and is probably even unlikely as long as the Cowboys use the players that provide the best chance to win. What you are proposing is to decrease the odds of winning.

As for the Eagles game, that comment also makes no sense. That game doesnt guarantee how future games will go any more than the Cowboys destroying the Eagles in the first meeting guaranteed how future Eagle games would go. Both common sense and history tell us that.

Opening sentence directly linked to 2nd paragraph

We had our "best" players on the field against a mediocre eagles team that was nothing more than a Mash unit

How could it possibly get more frustrating than that?

That was the point. That and the drop-off from Dak to Rush probably isn't as drastic as many would have is believe

 

[Beastsfromthenfceast]

Will never happen. As long as the Cowboys still have a chance to win the division.

 

[OmerV]

Opening sentence directly linked to 2nd paragraph

We had our "best" players on the field against a mediocre eagles team that was nothing more than a Mash unit

How could it possibly get more frustrating than that?

That was the point. That and the drop-off from Dak to Rush probably isn't as drastic as many would have is believe

The 2nd paragraph was about last week. We are talking about this week. It would be ridiculous to think shooting ourselves in the foot this week is an appropriate response to last week.

It can get more frustrating than that by losing to an even worse Commander team, and what you are proposing is to make a move to help ensure that will happen.

As for whether the drop off from Dak to Rush is that drastic, we cannot know how big it is, but I don’t see any reason to think,it wouldn’t be pretty big.

 

[901dawg]

I still can't believe the players union EVER agreed to that franchise tag crap. Then again these are the same people who couldn't get NFL players guaranteed contacts either. Dak is clearly tired of being Jerry Jone's QB and after putting up with his garbage for four years he should be able to be an unrestricted free agent this summer and sign with whichever team he would like to sign with.

 

[BoysForLife]

It can get more frustrating than that by losing to an even worse Commander team, and what you are proposing is to make a more to help ensure that will happen.

As for whether the drop off from Dak to Rush is that drastic, we cannot know how big it is, but I don’t see any reason to think,it wouldn’t be pretty big.

So why not find out?

This team (even if it lucks into the playoffs) isn't going anywhere. We all know it

Why not see how big the drop off is?

Could save them millions in cap space during negotiations. But, maybe it's better to win a meaningless game than get some useful knowledge to help plot a potentially successful course for next year.....

 

[BoysForLife]

I still can't believe the players union EVER agreed to that franchise tag crap. Then again these are the same people who couldn't get NFL players guaranteed contacts either. Dak is clearly tired of being Jerry Jone's QB and after putting up with his garbage for four years he should be able to be an unrestricted free agent this summer and sign with whichever team he would like to sign with.

Fine by me

Let someone else grotesquely over pay for his services

 

[Blackrain]

lets say you're Garrett. You have a slim hope of backing into the playoffs and saving your job with a win in the last game of the season. The team owner is watching and monitoring your every move. Are you going to say- "Now is a good time to start our 2nd string qb" ?
Could you also imagine the press if Philly loses and we lose cause Rush has a bad game?

Thanks a voice of reason above the overly emotional mob