The Reality of Jerry Jones GM and Owner

Kaiser

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You didn't even read the whole thing. It's patently obvious. Who "auditions for ESPN" on Reddit? Cynical old fart.

Who does? The kind of guys who pontificate about the locker room of teams they never played for.

I fact checked it, which means I read it. Now show us the links of Romo saying Dallas is a mediocre franchise.
 

bewp7

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here's the reality about jerry jones as owner and gm:

he was willing to destroy a football dynasty because his ego couldn't handle someone else getting more credit for their success. that is a fact.

that takes a special kind of...something.
 

texbumthelife

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Who does? The kind of guys who pontificate about the locker room of teams they never played for.

I fact checked it, which means I read it. Now show us the links of Romo saying Dallas is a mediocre franchise.

You "fact checked" a guys opinions? You must be an attorney.
 

Kaiser

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You "fact checked" a guys opinions? You must be an attorney.

OH BUT HE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION ON REDDIT!!!

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texbumthelife

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OH BUT HE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION ON REDDIT!!!

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Haha you're killing me, you cynical old curmudgeon. I didn't actually ask him anything. I work during the day. I do respect his opinion having 1) Been in the NFL and 2) Playing for the Cowboys, even if it was for just a fortnight.

Are you an attorney?
 

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Sure, he is clearly a smart guy. But he is also clearly out of his lane writing about the Cowboys when he never played a regular season snap for the team. It reads like he is auditioning for an ESPN job.
No argument. I just thought it was well written and wanted to give kudos on that.
 

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No argument. I just thought it was well written and wanted to give kudos on that.

Kaiser isn't allowed to voice his opinion on the Cowboys anymore. Remember that. Opinions aren't to be the least bit respected. Or is that unless they're completely fabricated in one's mind that they count?
 

Corso

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Kaiser isn't allowed to voice his opinion on the Cowboys anymore. Remember that. Opinions aren't to be the least bit respected. Or is that unless they're completely fabricated in one's mind that they count?
I fabricate tons of things in my mind all the time.
Most don't end up counting...

Womp womp.
 

texbumthelife

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You realize the guy in your avatar retired 40 years ago, right?

I do! That was made for me by someone here shortly after I joined.

You do realize you're on a forum fueled almost exclusively by opinions, including everything you say, saying someone who was actually ON THE COWBOYS opinion is worthless, right?
 

Kaiser

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You do realize you're on a forum fueled almost exclusively by opinions, including everything you say, saying someone who was actually ON THE COWBOYS opinion is worthless, right?

Calm down Britney. I said I value the opinions of players who had actually been on the roster more, not that your secret crush's opinion was worthless.

Pretty curmudgeonly post BTW.....
 

texbumthelife

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Calm down Britney. I said I value the opinions of players who had actually been on the roster more, not that your secret crush's opinion was worthless.

Pretty curmudgeonly post BTW.....

Oh we've graduated to pet names now? You really are a sweet boy, huh?
 

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Jerry Jones took one drunk night to fire a back to back winning Super Bowl Head Coach in Jimmy Johnson.

He will take until Jason Garrett's contract actually expires (1-14-2020) to part from a coach that lost 4 games that decided the NFC East and playoffs in 4 different season 3 of which was in a row, was interim HC coach that finished 6-10, went 4-12, 9-7, and 8-8 the non-playoff seasons. So Garrett 10 years had 7 non playoff seasons.

Jerry Jones does not take long to make decisions. He fired Tom Landry the day he became the owner of the Dallas Cowboys and was seen at a Dallas Restaurant the night before with his new Head Coach, he meet with Bill Parcells to be the HC of the Cowboys while Dave Campo was still HC, he passed on Randy Moss even though he had a scout with plane tickets in wait for the future HOF and 100 yr All time WR, he quickly he traded a 1st and 3rd round pick for a WR that team went 0-16 and then hired the 0-16 HC as DC. So why so long for Jason Garrett.

Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells drove Jerry Jones crazy because to get both meant giving up total control. He eventually will get it back. But giving it up is hard. Taking it back is hard. That is the reason for the wait and stress. Jimmy Johnson hung on to full control from 1989-1994, Parcells 2002-2007. Jerry does not want to give 5 years of his late 70's to that type of Super Bowl winning Head Coach. His 12 year experiment with Jason Garrett learning on the Job to be his Tom Landry failed.

With his age at 77, the next HC would likely survive him or at least have more input with Stephen Jones and Will McClay than his input at Owner, GM, and Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Cowboy fans want a GM and Head Coach not named Jerry Jones and it is killing him to lose his control he lost from his own football failures. This will take time. Jerry Jones has time (Garrett expiring contact date), and money (5 Billion dollar franchise).

You are using logic to reason with. Jerry does not follow logical thinking, esp when it comes to winning at all cost.

Jerry's top priority is to be a rock star, constantly doing interviews, constantly speaking like he's the hc (jerry IS our phantom hc btw), constantly remaining in the spotlight. Jerry, not Zeke or Dak is the face of this franchise. To relinquish control to a hc or gm is not an option on the table (i.e., even after 25 straight seasons w/o a deep playoff run) and it will never happen. To give up control is to give up his rock star status and take a back seat. His billions bought him a platform to launch his pseudo rock star act and post Jimmy he has played that role to the hilt.

You see, Jerry playing rock star, playing gm, playing hc, and micromanaging every facet of this org is his top priority, winning be damned. Well, a quarter of a century of playoff futility is not enough incentive for our Johnny Walker Blue soaked owner to try something different. If you think he will relinquish his rock star platform then you havent been watching as close as hardcore fans. Jerry may hire a strong hc who like Parcells can hire his own staff, but you can take it to the bank that the next hc will NOT have in his contract that they have final say in football matters. Only Jimmy had that in his contract, but then again he knew Jerry before getting hired and now we know why he insisted on having it explicitly written in his contract.

I'm afraid that Jerry has a "Til death do us part" pact with the fans, signed in blood with hubris as its foundation. We will never get a top notch coaching staff, will never get a hc with control. We will see the illusion of control relinquished, but the past quarter of a century says it's fool's gold. Now who wants to buy season tickets, jersey, and Cowboy's swag?
 

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Good grief why go back to the 90s and start bashing Jones. It's like swatting your dog with a newspaper after it soiled the carpet a year ago. There were 2 sides to that Jimmy, Jerry departure anyhow. Really who cares. Everyone knows Jerry's time has come and hopefully will be gone. Let him live his days out on his 100 million dollar plus yacht. I love the guy but he is a stubborn, selfish old mule.
 

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I’m not really sure why some fans define the Garrett era as a failure. Unless it’s a Super Bowl or Bust mentality?

Jerry has lowered the Bar this era. Revenue , celebrity status and his control over football operations are the driving force now. Not winning championships.

The Cowboys are no longer a championship caliber football franchise. Jerry’s intent on being the face of the franchise has changed the course of our history.

The bold answers your first question. Going back to '96 we've had 3 of those teams. 2007, '14, and to some extent, '16. And Garrett wasn't head coach for '07. So in almost 10 years Garrett is as successful as a broken clock. The majority of his seasons were boring, uninspired, 8-8 riddled disappointments. The Garrett era reminds me of the mid 80s when the Cowboys were in decline with 9-7, 10-6, and finally 7-9 in '86. No real chance against the better teams. With Garrett that's par for the course.
 

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The bold answers your first question. Going back to '96 we've had 3 of those teams. 2007, '14, and to some extent, '16. And Garrett wasn't head coach for '07. So in almost 10 years Garrett is as successful as a broken clock. The majority of his seasons were boring, uninspired, 8-8 riddled disappointments. The Garrett era reminds me of the mid 80s when the Cowboys were in decline with 9-7, 10-6, and finally 7-9 in '86. No real chance against the better teams. With Garrett that's par for the course.
If you’d compare the teams in Garrett era to mid 80’s then you’d have to conclude these teams weren’t good enough to go further.

I’m not sure I’d agree with the comparison. These Garrett teams might have been better and probably why they won some playoff games as opposed to those mid 80’s teams.
 

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No way a successful businessman as successful as Jones cannot know its time to get Garrett go. I'm betting a deal is already in place with someone like Belichick or someone still coaching in the playoffs is already in place therefore they are in no hurry to push Jason out. Laugh all you want, but the only other viable conclusion is that they are planning on bring Jason back and if you believe that then that's even more laughable...….and deeply troubling. :thumbdown:

Oh he knows Jason sux. But he also knows that having JG as hc allows him to have all this fun being the face and voice of the Cowboys. Decisions decisions!
 

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If you’d compare the teams in Garrett era to mid 80’s then you’d have to conclude these teams weren’t good enough to go further.

I’m not sure I’d agree with the comparison. These Garrett teams might have been better and probably why they won some playoff games as opposed to those mid 80’s teams.

Yes. They won 1 playoff game in a year they were a championship caliber team. The other playoff game came when they were 10-6, same as '85, but were playing a weaker opponent at home and favored to win. As opposed to '85 when they were away, and dogs. The same caliber team and both met expectations. You can take it a year further to '87 before they dropped off a cliff they went 7-8 I believe. I just think most of Garrett's term has looked and felt like those 4 years in the 80s.
 

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Yes. They won 1 playoff game in a year they were a championship caliber team. The other playoff game came when they were 10-6, same as '85, but were playing a weaker opponent at home and favored to win. As opposed to '85 when they were away, and dogs. The same caliber team and both met expectations. You can take it a year further to '87 before they dropped off a cliff they went 7-8 I believe. I just think most of Garrett's term has looked and felt like those 4 years in the 80s.
I wouldn’t consider any of those mid 80’s teams championship caliber. And I’m not sure I’d consider any of this era teams championship caliber . That’s the only comparison I could draw.
 
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