Breaking down options at the QB position

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As the offseason lingers, we have all these questions about Head Coaches and Coordinators, we also need to figure out what we're going to do at QB. Many like Dak, but is he really the best option going forward?

Before proceeding, ask yourself, are you satisfied with Dak at QB and willing to pay him market price despite being 1-6 against winning teams with 7 TD's and 7 INT's I believe (rounding the stats here, take them with a grain of salt. The rounding isn't too far off, however). Or are you guys just nervous about drafting a bust in the draft? Are the odds of possibly drafting a cheaper rookie that is a bust higher than keeping Dak who is average (or above average, according to misleading stats)?

I'd like to point out Alex Smith. If the Chiefs hadn't of moved on, they wouldn't have gotten Mahomes. Yes, they might have drafted a bust, but they took the risk and got Mahomes instead. Same situation is valid for the Texans.

Dak is an average QB. He can win you games (Lions game, Vikes game had the playcalling actually been competent), but he can also be the reason why you lose others (2nd Philly game, Bills game, Patriots game, etc). He can be tagged and observed in the 2020 season with a new HC, however, what can a new HC to if the QB cannot hit wide open WR's, throws behind the receiver every other pass, cannot throw in stride, low pocket awareness, regresses badly to bad footwork and overall bad football IQ when under pressure, cannot read defenses well, etc. He is also not a pure athletic QB such as Watson or Jackson. Will a new HC really fix majority of his problems? I will be fair, he has pros such as leadership, personality, great locker room presence, good mentality, and slight clutchness, however, do all of these traits override his cons?

Anyways, let's delve into the draft:

QB's that are likely going to declare for 2020 include: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua, Jake Fromm (possibly), Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, and more.

Now, just because we don't have a high draft pick DOES NOT mean we won't draft a superstar. Watson and Mahomes were drafted at 10 and 12. Other QB's such as Wilson and obviously Tom Brady were drafted in later rounds. Pick does not matter. We may stumble upon a star. Herbert, a high prospect, is also predicted to go at 17 according to a lot of mock drafts. We may take a shot at him. Or, despite conflicting reports and opinion on Riley, if he does come here, we may get Hurts so they can continue to develop chemistry together.

Free Agency/Trade: There aren't many free agent QB's out there, a few notable soon to be FA's are Tannehill and Bridgewater. QB's that play around the same level as Dak, but at a cheaper price. Some may oppose bringing them in, but in hindsight, it's not a bad idea if you want to re-sign/bring in more expensive pieces that are needed to make average QB's look great (Cobb, a better backup QB, Amari, Byron Jones, etc).

Trade: This one is less likely, as we need draft pieces to get a better defense, however, it is not 100% out of the question. What are the odds that we trade enough pieces/rounds away to get Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, or Josh Allen? Low, yes, but still possible and negotiable. These QB's may not look the same under our system, but they are fundamentally better QB's than Dak, as well as more athletic in general.

Going forward into 2020, what should we do at QB and why? If you stay with Dak, what kind of offensive scheme would you run for him?

*Before anyone says "Dak will be paid. No doubt about it." Please inform me as to why he has yet to be actually paid by the Joneses? Actions speak louder than words. Just because they talk all this talk means nothing. They said they'd bring Dez and DeMarco Murray back, yet they did not. QB is a different situation, yes, but as I said before, actions speak louder than words. If they we're so bullish on Dak, they would have given him the contract he had asked for before. Just sayin'.
 

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As the offseason lingers, we have all these questions about Head Coaches and Coordinators, we also need to figure out what we're going to do at QB. Many like Dak, but is he really the best option going forward?

Before proceeding, ask yourself, are you satisfied with Dak at QB and willing to pay him market price despite being 1-6 against winning teams with 7 TD's and 7 INT's I believe (rounding the stats here, take them with a grain of salt. The rounding isn't too far off, however). Or are you guys just nervous about drafting a bust in the draft? Are the odds of possibly drafting a cheaper rookie that is a bust higher than keeping Dak who is average (or above average, according to misleading stats)?

I'd like to point out Alex Smith. If the Chiefs hadn't of moved on, they wouldn't have gotten Mahomes. Yes, they might have drafted a bust, but they took the risk and got Mahomes instead. Same situation is valid for the Texans.

Dak is an average QB. He can win you games (Lions game, Vikes game had the playcalling actually been competent), but he can also be the reason why you lose others (2nd Philly game, Bills game, Patriots game, etc). He can be tagged and observed in the 2020 season with a new HC, however, what can a new HC to if the QB cannot hit wide open WR's, throws behind the receiver every other pass, cannot throw in stride, low pocket awareness, regresses badly to bad footwork and overall bad football IQ when under pressure, cannot read defenses well, etc. He is also not a pure athletic QB such as Watson or Jackson. Will a new HC really fix majority of his problems? I will be fair, he has pros such as leadership, personality, great locker room presence, good mentality, and slight clutchness, however, do all of these traits override his cons?

Anyways, let's delve into the draft:

QB's that are likely going to declare for 2020 include: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua, Jake Fromm (possibly), Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, and more.

Now, just because we don't have a high draft pick DOES NOT mean we won't draft a superstar. Watson and Mahomes were drafted at 10 and 12. Other QB's such as Wilson and obviously Tom Brady were drafted in later rounds. Pick does not matter. We may stumble upon a star. Herbert, a high prospect, is also predicted to go at 17 according to a lot of mock drafts. We may take a shot at him. Or, despite conflicting reports and opinion on Riley, if he does come here, we may get Hurts so they can continue to develop chemistry together.

Free Agency/Trade: There aren't many free agent QB's out there, a few notable soon to be FA's are Tannehill and Bridgewater. QB's that play around the same level as Dak, but at a cheaper price. Some may oppose bringing them in, but in hindsight, it's not a bad idea if you want to re-sign/bring in more expensive pieces that are needed to make average QB's look great (Cobb, a better backup QB, Amari, Byron Jones, etc).

Trade: This one is less likely, as we need draft pieces to get a better defense, however, it is not 100% out of the question. What are the odds that we trade enough pieces/rounds away to get Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, or Josh Allen? Low, yes, but still possible and negotiable. These QB's may not look the same under our system, but they are fundamentally better QB's than Dak, as well as more athletic in general.

Going forward into 2020, what should we do at QB and why? If you stay with Dak, what kind of offensive scheme would you run for him?

*Before anyone says "Dak will be paid. No doubt about it." Please inform me as to why he has yet to be actually paid by the Joneses? Actions speak louder than words. Just because they talk all this talk means nothing. They said they'd bring Dez and DeMarco Murray back, yet they did not. QB is a different situation, yes, but as I said before, actions speak louder than words. If they we're so bullish on Dak, they would have given him the contract he had asked for before. Just sayin'.
I agree as far as the new HC deciding if he wants Dak or go with his guy.

That being said I disagree with only using this season's stats as Dak not being able to get it done. Typically, Dak has won those close games more times than not and actually beats everything teams more than some give him credit. This season, the entire team quit. Sure Dak had some bad games, had injuries as well, but you must look at his entire 4 seasons and not just nitpick certain games/seasons
 

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I see the options as:

1) Sign Dak long term
2) Franchise Dak
3) Use the #1 pick
4) Coax Andrew Luck out of retirement
5) Sign Johnny Manziel and/or Colin Kaepernick
6) Some combination thereof.
 

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I agree as far as the new HC deciding if he wants Dak or go with his guy.
If the Jones are sold on Dak Prescott being the Dallas Cowboys QB (all indications say they are), why would they hire a head coach who didn't also see the value in #4?

Jerry and Stephen aren't going to hire someone who wants a change at QB.

D4K was #1 in DYAR, #6 in DVOA and #4 in total QBR.

We don't need a different signal caller, coaching, special teams and defense were the issues this season.
 

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4) Coax Andrew Luck out of retirement
Andrew Luck retired and his rights belong to the Indianapolis Colts.

If Luck decides to resume playing, it will be for Indy or another team will have to trade for him.
 

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Tua is making his decision to see if he is staying on Monday. Some of those Alabama Jrs might stay since Moses and Leatherwood are already returning. It would not surprise me if Jerudy and some of the others stay too. That will not push qbs down to us to pick from. Moses was one of the top lbs in the draft so that hurts pushing a player to us.
 

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As the offseason lingers, we have all these questions about Head Coaches and Coordinators, we also need to figure out what we're going to do at QB. Many like Dak, but is he really the best option going forward?

Before proceeding, ask yourself, are you satisfied with Dak at QB and willing to pay him market price despite being 1-6 against winning teams with 7 TD's and 7 INT's I believe (rounding the stats here, take them with a grain of salt. The rounding isn't too far off, however). Or are you guys just nervous about drafting a bust in the draft? Are the odds of possibly drafting a cheaper rookie that is a bust higher than keeping Dak who is average (or above average, according to misleading stats)?

I'd like to point out Alex Smith. If the Chiefs hadn't of moved on, they wouldn't have gotten Mahomes. Yes, they might have drafted a bust, but they took the risk and got Mahomes instead. Same situation is valid for the Texans.

Dak is an average QB. He can win you games (Lions game, Vikes game had the playcalling actually been competent), but he can also be the reason why you lose others (2nd Philly game, Bills game, Patriots game, etc). He can be tagged and observed in the 2020 season with a new HC, however, what can a new HC to if the QB cannot hit wide open WR's, throws behind the receiver every other pass, cannot throw in stride, low pocket awareness, regresses badly to bad footwork and overall bad football IQ when under pressure, cannot read defenses well, etc. He is also not a pure athletic QB such as Watson or Jackson. Will a new HC really fix majority of his problems? I will be fair, he has pros such as leadership, personality, great locker room presence, good mentality, and slight clutchness, however, do all of these traits override his cons?

Anyways, let's delve into the draft:

QB's that are likely going to declare for 2020 include: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua, Jake Fromm (possibly), Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, and more.

Now, just because we don't have a high draft pick DOES NOT mean we won't draft a superstar. Watson and Mahomes were drafted at 10 and 12. Other QB's such as Wilson and obviously Tom Brady were drafted in later rounds. Pick does not matter. We may stumble upon a star. Herbert, a high prospect, is also predicted to go at 17 according to a lot of mock drafts. We may take a shot at him. Or, despite conflicting reports and opinion on Riley, if he does come here, we may get Hurts so they can continue to develop chemistry together.

Free Agency/Trade: There aren't many free agent QB's out there, a few notable soon to be FA's are Tannehill and Bridgewater. QB's that play around the same level as Dak, but at a cheaper price. Some may oppose bringing them in, but in hindsight, it's not a bad idea if you want to re-sign/bring in more expensive pieces that are needed to make average QB's look great (Cobb, a better backup QB, Amari, Byron Jones, etc).

Trade: This one is less likely, as we need draft pieces to get a better defense, however, it is not 100% out of the question. What are the odds that we trade enough pieces/rounds away to get Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, or Josh Allen? Low, yes, but still possible and negotiable. These QB's may not look the same under our system, but they are fundamentally better QB's than Dak, as well as more athletic in general.

Going forward into 2020, what should we do at QB and why? If you stay with Dak, what kind of offensive scheme would you run for him?

*Before anyone says "Dak will be paid. No doubt about it." Please inform me as to why he has yet to be actually paid by the Joneses? Actions speak louder than words. Just because they talk all this talk means nothing. They said they'd bring Dez and DeMarco Murray back, yet they did not. QB is a different situation, yes, but as I said before, actions speak louder than words. If they we're so bullish on Dak, they would have given him the contract he had asked for before. Just sayin'.
Dak is not going anywhere.

Waste of your time.
 

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If the Jones are sold on Dak Prescott being the Dallas Cowboys QB (all indications say they are), why would they hire a head coach who didn't also see the value in #4?

Jerry and Stephen aren't going to hire someone who wants a change at QB.

D4K was #1 in DYAR, #6 in DVOA and #4 in total QBR.

We don't need a different signal caller, coaching, special teams and defense were the issues this season.
You don't face to defend Dak with me, perhaps you haven't seen my thoughts on him. That being said, if the next HC wants to bring in a different QB I'm ok with that.

I think Dak can win superbowls, this isn't my prediction or what I want. The HC needs to hire and fire what he thinks will work though.
 

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If the Jones are sold on Dak Prescott being the Dallas Cowboys QB (all indications say they are), why would they hire a head coach who didn't also see the value in #4?

Jerry and Stephen aren't going to hire someone who wants a change at QB.

D4K was #1 in DYAR, #6 in DVOA and #4 in total QBR.

We don't need a different signal caller, coaching, special teams and defense were the issues this season.
Have to agree here. Also zero reason to believe we are walking away from Dak. If anything there is less uncertainty about his ability and his price is going up. Jones even said he is more rather than less confident.

Be happy Dak’s shoulder bummed out and we lost games at the end else Jones might still believe we are close and not make big changes.
 

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As the offseason lingers, we have all these questions about Head Coaches and Coordinators, we also need to figure out what we're going to do at QB. Many like Dak, but is he really the best option going forward?

Before proceeding, ask yourself, are you satisfied with Dak at QB and willing to pay him market price despite being 1-6 against winning teams with 7 TD's and 7 INT's I believe (rounding the stats here, take them with a grain of salt. The rounding isn't too far off, however). Or are you guys just nervous about drafting a bust in the draft? Are the odds of possibly drafting a cheaper rookie that is a bust higher than keeping Dak who is average (or above average, according to misleading stats)?

I'd like to point out Alex Smith. If the Chiefs hadn't of moved on, they wouldn't have gotten Mahomes. Yes, they might have drafted a bust, but they took the risk and got Mahomes instead. Same situation is valid for the Texans.

Dak is an average QB. He can win you games (Lions game, Vikes game had the playcalling actually been competent), but he can also be the reason why you lose others (2nd Philly game, Bills game, Patriots game, etc). He can be tagged and observed in the 2020 season with a new HC, however, what can a new HC to if the QB cannot hit wide open WR's, throws behind the receiver every other pass, cannot throw in stride, low pocket awareness, regresses badly to bad footwork and overall bad football IQ when under pressure, cannot read defenses well, etc. He is also not a pure athletic QB such as Watson or Jackson. Will a new HC really fix majority of his problems? I will be fair, he has pros such as leadership, personality, great locker room presence, good mentality, and slight clutchness, however, do all of these traits override his cons?

Anyways, let's delve into the draft:

QB's that are likely going to declare for 2020 include: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua, Jake Fromm (possibly), Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, and more.

Now, just because we don't have a high draft pick DOES NOT mean we won't draft a superstar. Watson and Mahomes were drafted at 10 and 12. Other QB's such as Wilson and obviously Tom Brady were drafted in later rounds. Pick does not matter. We may stumble upon a star. Herbert, a high prospect, is also predicted to go at 17 according to a lot of mock drafts. We may take a shot at him. Or, despite conflicting reports and opinion on Riley, if he does come here, we may get Hurts so they can continue to develop chemistry together.

Free Agency/Trade: There aren't many free agent QB's out there, a few notable soon to be FA's are Tannehill and Bridgewater. QB's that play around the same level as Dak, but at a cheaper price. Some may oppose bringing them in, but in hindsight, it's not a bad idea if you want to re-sign/bring in more expensive pieces that are needed to make average QB's look great (Cobb, a better backup QB, Amari, Byron Jones, etc).

Trade: This one is less likely, as we need draft pieces to get a better defense, however, it is not 100% out of the question. What are the odds that we trade enough pieces/rounds away to get Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, or Josh Allen? Low, yes, but still possible and negotiable. These QB's may not look the same under our system, but they are fundamentally better QB's than Dak, as well as more athletic in general.

Going forward into 2020, what should we do at QB and why? If you stay with Dak, what kind of offensive scheme would you run for him?

*Before anyone says "Dak will be paid. No doubt about it." Please inform me as to why he has yet to be actually paid by the Joneses? Actions speak louder than words. Just because they talk all this talk means nothing. They said they'd bring Dez and DeMarco Murray back, yet they did not. QB is a different situation, yes, but as I said before, actions speak louder than words. If they we're so bullish on Dak, they would have given him the contract he had asked for before. Just sayin'.
Lots of interesting takes
Thanks for posting!
 

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Cowboys 2019 efficiency rankings, per ESPN.


Offense: 3rd

Defense: 18th

Special teams: 30th

Overall: 8th


I guess it’s just not as fun to blame the defense and special teams, is it?
:laugh:

Oh no. Don’t get me wrong here. The defense and special teams sucked this year. That’s why I even stated that we should spend the draft on defense and pick up a punter and kicker (for competition) in Free Agency.

However... Dak at QB has costs us some problems. QB is a very large factor in football. Despite our defense being abysmal in such games as the GB game, Bears game, and even the Bills game, I ask, where was Dak after the defense trotted off the field? Why was he not able to make the plays we needed in times of desperation? On top of that, many of these stats are inflated due to garbage time. I get he makes the plays late in the 4th Q, but it’s not the matter of if he can make plays and what plays he can make, but WHEN can he make big plays? When we’re down 14-0 against the Packers, Dak continued to go 3 and out of throw an interception. When we were down 21-7 against the Bears, Dak continued to 3 and out. Same as the Bills game. He’s given chances in crucial times, but fails to step up to the plate. Even though his shoulder was indeed injured, the 2nd Philly game he played was possibly the worst I’ve ever seen him in. He missed wide open WR’s.


I’m just saying, if we want to be a good team, we need a good QB that can handle the pressure when we go down, or a QB that can put the team on his back if players are injured, or if the running game isn’t as good, or if his o-line is having a bad day. I’ve seen flashes of this from him, but I’ve also seen flashes of such things from QB’s like Bortles and Alex Smith, so flashes are not enough. He needs to be able to do that on a mostly consistent basis (look at Deshaun Watson and even Kirk Cousins).
 

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You don't face to defend Dak with me, perhaps you haven't seen my thoughts on him.
It wasn't directed at you.

I just decided to put the info in there after making the point about who will get hired as head coach.

The new head coach needs to have authority, but he will also need to be on board with Dak Prescott as his quarterback in order to get the job.
 
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