Breaking down options at the QB position

leeblair

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So why did we start Dak in his rookie year when Romo was healthy?
I can answer that:
Garrett was desperate to believe that Dak would lead him to fame and fortune.
So he betrayed Romo after wasting his career and began treating Dak as if he were the hope of the franchise. He protected him in preseason games, and never made him earn the spot he slipped into when Romo and Moore got hurt.
Now in 2019, we see the results.
 

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Oh no. Don’t get me wrong here. The defense and special teams sucked this year. That’s why I even stated that we should spend the draft on defense and pick up a punter and kicker (for competition) in Free Agency.

However... Dak at QB has costs us some problems. QB is a very large factor in football. Despite our defense being abysmal in such games as the GB game, Bears game, and even the Bills game, I ask, where was Dak after the defense trotted off the field? Why was he not able to make the plays we needed in times of desperation? On top of that, many of these stats are inflated due to garbage time. I get he makes the plays late in the 4th Q, but it’s not the matter of if he can make plays and what plays he can make, but WHEN can he make big plays? When we’re down 14-0 against the Packers, Dak continued to go 3 and out of throw an interception. When we were down 21-7 against the Bears, Dak continued to 3 and out. Same as the Bills game. He’s given chances in crucial times, but fails to step up to the plate. Even though his shoulder was indeed injured, the 2nd Philly game he played was possibly the worst I’ve ever seen him in. He missed wide open WR’s.


I’m just saying, if we want to be a good team, we need a good QB that can handle the pressure when we go down, or a QB that can put the team on his back if players are injured, or if the running game isn’t as good, or if his o-line is having a bad day. I’ve seen flashes of this from him, but I’ve also seen flashes of such things from QB’s like Bortles and Alex Smith, so flashes are not enough. He needs to be able to do that on a mostly consistent basis (look at Deshaun Watson and even Kirk Cousins).
Look at Cousins? What type of quarterback do you think Kirk Cousins is?
 

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But your claim was that a rookie sets the team back. So now you are saying Romo wouldn’t of won either, yet a rookie that set the team back still has a 13-3 record...
It does. A rookie isn't going to come in and win the superbowl, it's not happening. Took 3 years for rookie Dak too win a playoff game.
 

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A lot of Dak’s stats are from long field’s because of poor special team play also besides the garbage time stats.
Dallas did consistently face long fields, Football Outsiders ranked them #30 in starting field position.

Despite constantly having to drive long fields, the Cowboys were #3 in drive success rate, #4 in points per drive, #2 in average drive length and #5 in number of plays per drive.

Dak Prescott's stats are mainly the result result of good play.

Being number 3 in successful drives and number 4 in points per drive while being number 30 in starting field position is especially impressive, IMO.

D4K has come a long way and hopefully will continue improving by leaps and bounds.

The offense needs some tweaking while special teams and defense need serious work.
 

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So then Dak set the team back at 13-3. So wouldn’t wouldn’t have Romo won? Are you arguing it was a dumb decision to bench Romo?
Seems you can't figure out the difference of regular season and playoff/superbowl. Where did I say it was dumb to bench Romo. It was a good learning experience for a rookie Dak which helped the next time he made the playoffs.

I can't write this any easier.

A rookie it's not winning the superbowl, not happening. Do you get it? If not, I'm done and good night
 

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So why did we start Dak in his rookie year when Romo was healthy?
My belief is the majority of players didn't want to see a change when the time came.

Like him, hate him, believe in him or not, the players love Dak Prescott, IMO.
 

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There’s what I would do and what the Cowboys will do.

What I would do: draft a QB (probably Tua) and franchise Dak Prescott to rent him for one more year. If he won’t sign the franchise tender, sign Tom Brady or another free agent QB as a placeholder.

What the Cowboys should do: Nothing until they hire a head coach, then let him decide who he wants.

What the Cowboys will do: Overpay Dak Prescott. Jerry Jones is 77 and everything is being done now with short term focus. Coaches with 10+ years of NFL experience, because he doesn’t want to invest in a young coach. Caving to Zeke’s demands. And next, caving to Dak, because not caving means building a team to win a Super Bowl in 2021 or 2022 and Jerry feels mortal and wants to win now.
 

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As the offseason lingers, we have all these questions about Head Coaches and Coordinators, we also need to figure out what we're going to do at QB. Many like Dak, but is he really the best option going forward?

Before proceeding, ask yourself, are you satisfied with Dak at QB and willing to pay him market price despite being 1-6 against winning teams with 7 TD's and 7 INT's I believe (rounding the stats here, take them with a grain of salt. The rounding isn't too far off, however). Or are you guys just nervous about drafting a bust in the draft? Are the odds of possibly drafting a cheaper rookie that is a bust higher than keeping Dak who is average (or above average, according to misleading stats)?

I'd like to point out Alex Smith. If the Chiefs hadn't of moved on, they wouldn't have gotten Mahomes. Yes, they might have drafted a bust, but they took the risk and got Mahomes instead. Same situation is valid for the Texans.

Dak is an average QB. He can win you games (Lions game, Vikes game had the playcalling actually been competent), but he can also be the reason why you lose others (2nd Philly game, Bills game, Patriots game, etc). He can be tagged and observed in the 2020 season with a new HC, however, what can a new HC to if the QB cannot hit wide open WR's, throws behind the receiver every other pass, cannot throw in stride, low pocket awareness, regresses badly to bad footwork and overall bad football IQ when under pressure, cannot read defenses well, etc. He is also not a pure athletic QB such as Watson or Jackson. Will a new HC really fix majority of his problems? I will be fair, he has pros such as leadership, personality, great locker room presence, good mentality, and slight clutchness, however, do all of these traits override his cons?

Anyways, let's delve into the draft:

QB's that are likely going to declare for 2020 include: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua, Jake Fromm (possibly), Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, and more.

Now, just because we don't have a high draft pick DOES NOT mean we won't draft a superstar. Watson and Mahomes were drafted at 10 and 12. Other QB's such as Wilson and obviously Tom Brady were drafted in later rounds. Pick does not matter. We may stumble upon a star. Herbert, a high prospect, is also predicted to go at 17 according to a lot of mock drafts. We may take a shot at him. Or, despite conflicting reports and opinion on Riley, if he does come here, we may get Hurts so they can continue to develop chemistry together.

Free Agency/Trade: There aren't many free agent QB's out there, a few notable soon to be FA's are Tannehill and Bridgewater. QB's that play around the same level as Dak, but at a cheaper price. Some may oppose bringing them in, but in hindsight, it's not a bad idea if you want to re-sign/bring in more expensive pieces that are needed to make average QB's look great (Cobb, a better backup QB, Amari, Byron Jones, etc).

Trade: This one is less likely, as we need draft pieces to get a better defense, however, it is not 100% out of the question. What are the odds that we trade enough pieces/rounds away to get Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, or Josh Allen? Low, yes, but still possible and negotiable. These QB's may not look the same under our system, but they are fundamentally better QB's than Dak, as well as more athletic in general.

Going forward into 2020, what should we do at QB and why? If you stay with Dak, what kind of offensive scheme would you run for him?

*Before anyone says "Dak will be paid. No doubt about it." Please inform me as to why he has yet to be actually paid by the Joneses? Actions speak louder than words. Just because they talk all this talk means nothing. They said they'd bring Dez and DeMarco Murray back, yet they did not. QB is a different situation, yes, but as I said before, actions speak louder than words. If they we're so bullish on Dak, they would have given him the contract he had asked for before. Just sayin'.

With your long essay I'm surprised you didn't mention Brady went in the 6th round. There are some mighty big holes in though. Every draft the draft pick QB's go in largely depends on two things. The teams with the need and either have high daft pick or are willing to trade up for one, or the number of quality QB in the draft. And yes as you pointed out ALL draft picks are gambles and there is a long list of QB's that turned out to be busts. Even with the very first pick it has happened.

Tannehill after today's game will get a contract from the titans, may even get tagged. Bridgewater has a voidable contract for 2020 and 2021 by the saints but if they choose not to void it he'll still be under cvontract and not a free agent. Even if he was a free agent after going 5-0 with the saints this season and due to Brees age the saints would probably try to lock him up anyways.

Trade is 100% not likely because of all the UFA coming this off season and not being able to get all of them signed they'll need all their picks to help shore up that. And because of all those UFA is also the reason that the Cowboys can't afford to throw one of those picks away on a QB just because some fans that don't like Prescott. It's funny, not ha ha funny, that people that actually have real NFL experience have said how much Prescott has improved from his rookie season and getting him in the 4th round now looks like a steal.
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Pointless thread. He's gonna be signed or tagged. Stop pretending that he wont be. You dont pay all these folks and not bring back the most important piece. Jerry wants his number and Dak wants his. There's no pressure for either side atm.
 

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New TV series this fall on BSPN called Game of Trolls.
Starring A-Ch and P-Dg. Watch as they start threads over and over and post the same thing. But King Dakota Rains on their parade.
 

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New TV series this fall on BSPN called Game of Trolls.
Starring A-Ch and P-Dg. Watch as they start threads over and over and post the same thing. But King Dakota Rains on their parade.

Seriously, while they're at it they might as well start threads discussing our options at GM
 

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Get your Dak Garbage here folks!!!

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Stay away from charts and data. You’re embarrassing yourself. You’re a joke.

Your list is sorted by “total garbage yards” which is why he’s ranked 2nd.

If you had sorted it by PERCENT CHANGE, meaning the actual percentage of his total yards that are garbage yards, he’d be ranked 10th.

You’re in WAY over your head. Stick to your catchphrases like “DINK AND DAK.”

Seriously, I feel sorry for you.
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There really isn't an option! dallas cant even afford to tag dak. he will be signed.
 

Nav22

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Oh no. Don’t get me wrong here. The defense and special teams sucked this year. That’s why I even stated that we should spend the draft on defense and pick up a punter and kicker (for competition) in Free Agency.

However... Dak at QB has costs us some problems. QB is a very large factor in football. Despite our defense being abysmal in such games as the GB game, Bears game, and even the Bills game, I ask, where was Dak after the defense trotted off the field? Why was he not able to make the plays we needed in times of desperation? On top of that, many of these stats are inflated due to garbage time. I get he makes the plays late in the 4th Q, but it’s not the matter of if he can make plays and what plays he can make, but WHEN can he make big plays? When we’re down 14-0 against the Packers, Dak continued to go 3 and out of throw an interception. When we were down 21-7 against the Bears, Dak continued to 3 and out. Same as the Bills game. He’s given chances in crucial times, but fails to step up to the plate. Even though his shoulder was indeed injured, the 2nd Philly game he played was possibly the worst I’ve ever seen him in. He missed wide open WR’s.


I’m just saying, if we want to be a good team, we need a good QB that can handle the pressure when we go down, or a QB that can put the team on his back if players are injured, or if the running game isn’t as good, or if his o-line is having a bad day. I’ve seen flashes of this from him, but I’ve also seen flashes of such things from QB’s like Bortles and Alex Smith, so flashes are not enough. He needs to be able to do that on a mostly consistent basis (look at Deshaun Watson and even Kirk Cousins).
He’s a top 10 QB by just about any measure you can come up with. No, he wasn’t very clutch this year, but he’s been VERY clutch overall in his young career.

He’s not going anywhere. Top 10 QBs are hard to find. 20+ teams wish they had one of those, or are hoping that their young QB will someday be on that level.

The QBs who are better than Dak aren’t available. He’s our guy.

The sooner you get used to that, the better off you’ll be.
 

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He’s a top 10 QB by just about any measure you can come up with. No, he wasn’t very clutch this year, but he’s been VERY clutch overall in his young career.

He’s not going anywhere. Top 10 QBs are hard to find. 20+ teams wish they had one of those, or are hoping that their young QB will someday be on that level.

The QBs who are better than Dak aren’t available. He’s our guy.

The sooner you get used to that, the better off you’ll be.
On what planet is Dak a 'top 10' QB?? I mean by definition this year 12 QBs were better than him as they led their teams to the playoffs. 15 QBs led their teams to the same or better win/loss records.

No way Dak is better than Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Brees, Wilson, Goff, Wentz, Roethlisberger, Jimmy G, Cousins, Jackson and Watson. Then you throw in guys like Stafford, Carr, Rivers, Allen, Darnold, Ryan, Newton.. who are around the same level as Dak potentially but arguments could be made why they are better.

Sorry but Dak is nowhere near a top 10 level QB.. maybe top 15 at a pinch. Maybe. More likely that if you took away the Oline and Zeke.. he would be a bottom five QB in terms of accuracy, field awareness and pocket passing ability.
 

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Theres only 1 option

And the team has already told everybody, Dak will be the QB.
They just don’t even understand how things are run after all these years. Jerry won’t hire a head coach who says in an interview, “We need to find a QB.”
 
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