Breaking down options at the QB position

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As the offseason lingers, we have all these questions about Head Coaches and Coordinators, we also need to figure out what we're going to do at QB. Many like Dak, but is he really the best option going forward?

Before proceeding, ask yourself, are you satisfied with Dak at QB and willing to pay him market price despite being 1-6 against winning teams with 7 TD's and 7 INT's I believe (rounding the stats here, take them with a grain of salt. The rounding isn't too far off, however). Or are you guys just nervous about drafting a bust in the draft? Are the odds of possibly drafting a cheaper rookie that is a bust higher than keeping Dak who is average (or above average, according to misleading stats)?

I'd like to point out Alex Smith. If the Chiefs hadn't of moved on, they wouldn't have gotten Mahomes. Yes, they might have drafted a bust, but they took the risk and got Mahomes instead. Same situation is valid for the Texans.

Dak is an average QB. He can win you games (Lions game, Vikes game had the playcalling actually been competent), but he can also be the reason why you lose others (2nd Philly game, Bills game, Patriots game, etc). He can be tagged and observed in the 2020 season with a new HC, however, what can a new HC to if the QB cannot hit wide open WR's, throws behind the receiver every other pass, cannot throw in stride, low pocket awareness, regresses badly to bad footwork and overall bad football IQ when under pressure, cannot read defenses well, etc. He is also not a pure athletic QB such as Watson or Jackson. Will a new HC really fix majority of his problems? I will be fair, he has pros such as leadership, personality, great locker room presence, good mentality, and slight clutchness, however, do all of these traits override his cons?

Anyways, let's delve into the draft:

QB's that are likely going to declare for 2020 include: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua, Jake Fromm (possibly), Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, and more.

Now, just because we don't have a high draft pick DOES NOT mean we won't draft a superstar. Watson and Mahomes were drafted at 10 and 12. Other QB's such as Wilson and obviously Tom Brady were drafted in later rounds. Pick does not matter. We may stumble upon a star. Herbert, a high prospect, is also predicted to go at 17 according to a lot of mock drafts. We may take a shot at him. Or, despite conflicting reports and opinion on Riley, if he does come here, we may get Hurts so they can continue to develop chemistry together.

Free Agency/Trade: There aren't many free agent QB's out there, a few notable soon to be FA's are Tannehill and Bridgewater. QB's that play around the same level as Dak, but at a cheaper price. Some may oppose bringing them in, but in hindsight, it's not a bad idea if you want to re-sign/bring in more expensive pieces that are needed to make average QB's look great (Cobb, a better backup QB, Amari, Byron Jones, etc).

Trade: This one is less likely, as we need draft pieces to get a better defense, however, it is not 100% out of the question. What are the odds that we trade enough pieces/rounds away to get Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, or Josh Allen? Low, yes, but still possible and negotiable. These QB's may not look the same under our system, but they are fundamentally better QB's than Dak, as well as more athletic in general.

Going forward into 2020, what should we do at QB and why? If you stay with Dak, what kind of offensive scheme would you run for him?

*Before anyone says "Dak will be paid. No doubt about it." Please inform me as to why he has yet to be actually paid by the Joneses? Actions speak louder than words. Just because they talk all this talk means nothing. They said they'd bring Dez and DeMarco Murray back, yet they did not. QB is a different situation, yes, but as I said before, actions speak louder than words. If they we're so bullish on Dak, they would have given him the contract he had asked for before. Just sayin'.

LLLOOOLLL, my man this is going to be good.
 

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On what planet is Dak a 'top 10' QB?? I mean by definition this year 12 QBs were better than him as they led their teams to the playoffs. 15 QBs led their teams to the same or better win/loss records.

No way Dak is better than Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Brees, Wilson, Goff, Wentz, Roethlisberger, Jimmy G, Cousins, Jackson and Watson. Then you throw in guys like Stafford, Carr, Rivers, Allen, Darnold, Ryan, Newton.. who are around the same level as Dak potentially but arguments could be made why they are better.

Sorry but Dak is nowhere near a top 10 level QB.. maybe top 15 at a pinch. Maybe. More likely that if you took away the Oline and Zeke.. he would be a bottom five QB in terms of accuracy, field awareness and pocket passing ability.
By this definition, you just labeled Romo one of the all time worst QBs instead of one of the best if the criteria is only about playoffs. Plus, you must look at all 4 years, not just this year.
 

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The Cowboys need to sign Case Keenum and offer Dak $12-15 million.
If Dak walks, let him go.
But when it comes right down to it, Keenum is the better quarterback. I think Dak will struggle without Garrett to fight for him.

LLLOOOLLL, I knew this was going to be good. Wife just hit me for waking up everyone.
 

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By this definition, you just labeled Romo one of the all time worst QBs instead of one of the best if the criteria is only about playoffs. Plus, you must look at all 4 years, not just this year.
I love Romo and I do think he was elite.. but by the same token he didn't achieve success and that does diminish his career achievements. of course the officiating stole his best chance at success.. and then the idiotic decision to go with Dak cost him another..

But I know your point.. playoffs aren't everything.. QB is just one position etc etc.. I know but Dak really just isn't that good. I am still amazed that anyone could objectively watch either of the games today and seriously believe Dak could have done better than any of those four QBs. In the tough defensive struggle that was pats vs titans.. we would have probably tried to throw 40+ times and pats would have had an easy win. No way we let zeke run the offence in a two minute drill at the end of the first half.. Titans take ego out of it and let Henry drive in the score.. masterful. Brady is regressing.. there is no doubt but he is working with literally NOTHING around him.. and still almost stole yet another playoff win. No way Dak even makes it close if he is playing for NE today.

For the bills vs Texans game.. clearly Dak doesn't do what Watson did.. that man is clutch.. like true clutch.. and could you imagine Dak under all that pressure from the Texan front.. Dak would have been running like a rabbit all game and once Dak gets spooked we all know he starts spraying the ball.

So do I think Dak is a top 10 level QB.. nope nope and nope. The guy has such serious limitations I am just baffled that cowboys fans seem to be only ones left delusional enough to think otherwise.
 

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Cowboys 2019 efficiency rankings, per ESPN.


Offense: 3rd

Defense: 18th

Special teams: 30th

Overall: 8th


I guess it’s just not as fun to blame the defense and special teams, is it?
:laugh:

Guess some are blaming the O too, look no further than the NO and Pats game when the D held both to less than 14 points and still lose.
 

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Get your Dak Garbage here folks!!!

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LLLOOOLLL
 

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As the offseason lingers, we have all these questions about Head Coaches and Coordinators, we also need to figure out what we're going to do at QB. Many like Dak, but is he really the best option going forward?

Before proceeding, ask yourself, are you satisfied with Dak at QB and willing to pay him market price despite being 1-6 against winning teams with 7 TD's and 7 INT's I believe (rounding the stats here, take them with a grain of salt. The rounding isn't too far off, however). Or are you guys just nervous about drafting a bust in the draft? Are the odds of possibly drafting a cheaper rookie that is a bust higher than keeping Dak who is average (or above average, according to misleading stats)?

I'd like to point out Alex Smith. If the Chiefs hadn't of moved on, they wouldn't have gotten Mahomes. Yes, they might have drafted a bust, but they took the risk and got Mahomes instead. Same situation is valid for the Texans.

Dak is an average QB. He can win you games (Lions game, Vikes game had the playcalling actually been competent), but he can also be the reason why you lose others (2nd Philly game, Bills game, Patriots game, etc). He can be tagged and observed in the 2020 season with a new HC, however, what can a new HC to if the QB cannot hit wide open WR's, throws behind the receiver every other pass, cannot throw in stride, low pocket awareness, regresses badly to bad footwork and overall bad football IQ when under pressure, cannot read defenses well, etc. He is also not a pure athletic QB such as Watson or Jackson. Will a new HC really fix majority of his problems? I will be fair, he has pros such as leadership, personality, great locker room presence, good mentality, and slight clutchness, however, do all of these traits override his cons?

Anyways, let's delve into the draft:

QB's that are likely going to declare for 2020 include: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua, Jake Fromm (possibly), Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, and more.

Now, just because we don't have a high draft pick DOES NOT mean we won't draft a superstar. Watson and Mahomes were drafted at 10 and 12. Other QB's such as Wilson and obviously Tom Brady were drafted in later rounds. Pick does not matter. We may stumble upon a star. Herbert, a high prospect, is also predicted to go at 17 according to a lot of mock drafts. We may take a shot at him. Or, despite conflicting reports and opinion on Riley, if he does come here, we may get Hurts so they can continue to develop chemistry together.

Free Agency/Trade: There aren't many free agent QB's out there, a few notable soon to be FA's are Tannehill and Bridgewater. QB's that play around the same level as Dak, but at a cheaper price. Some may oppose bringing them in, but in hindsight, it's not a bad idea if you want to re-sign/bring in more expensive pieces that are needed to make average QB's look great (Cobb, a better backup QB, Amari, Byron Jones, etc).

Trade: This one is less likely, as we need draft pieces to get a better defense, however, it is not 100% out of the question. What are the odds that we trade enough pieces/rounds away to get Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, or Josh Allen? Low, yes, but still possible and negotiable. These QB's may not look the same under our system, but they are fundamentally better QB's than Dak, as well as more athletic in general.

Going forward into 2020, what should we do at QB and why? If you stay with Dak, what kind of offensive scheme would you run for him?

*Before anyone says "Dak will be paid. No doubt about it." Please inform me as to why he has yet to be actually paid by the Joneses? Actions speak louder than words. Just because they talk all this talk means nothing. They said they'd bring Dez and DeMarco Murray back, yet they did not. QB is a different situation, yes, but as I said before, actions speak louder than words. If they we're so bullish on Dak, they would have given him the contract he had asked for before. Just sayin'.
Tannenhill is going to be the Titans starting qb, Mahomes and Allen are untouchable. Watson and Jackson I’m content to stay with Dak. Right coach and right schemes we can win with Dak and he won’t just be a bus driver. The Cowboys made an offer to Dak, he will be signed by training camp I would imagine.
 

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Can you really expect to go places with the below-scored points?
This is the NFL and if you can't score you can't win!
7 losses here-below and ask yourself where we going with this inept offense?
Nowhere but to Vegas for the playoffs!

Saints 10 pts=Loss
Packers 24 (Garbage points)=Loss
Jets 22 another late Garbage feast!=Loss
Pats 9 pts=Loss
Bills 15 pts=Loss
Bears 24 (Garbage points Galore)=Loss
Eagles 9 points (Eagles have more starters missing than playing on the field)=Loss

Considering the HB and WR we have including one of the best OFF-Lines in the NFL why aren't we scoring points???

Anyone??????
Anyone??????
 

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Dak is better than average and is desperate to be great. Starting over is not in the team's best interest. Not when the guy you have has so many tools and so much potential. I could absolutely be wrong about him but I don't think so.
 

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Jesus I can’t wait till July if this is any indication of the thread quality were gonna be faced with this offseason
 

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The Cowboys need to sign Case Keenum and offer Dak $12-15 million.
If Dak walks, let him go.
But when it comes right down to it, Keenum is the better quarterback. I think Dak will struggle without Garrett to fight for him.
You lost me at Keenum is a better quarterback then Dak. I understand the argument concerning Dak's long term future here because of the contract he is asking for, believe me I am hesitant to pay him 30+ million. I just want a poster to post realistic options. The Joneses are not going to let Dak go for Keenum, Foles, Bridgewater, ect. I think if a college quarterback like Eason wows the scouting department, then maybe they consider him at 17. The reason is because the rookie is locked into a 5 year cost controlled rookie contract. Eason could be a bus driver next season like Josh Allen is but by year 3 he could be what Dak is now. That takes balls and I can't see the Joneses agreeing to that.
 

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As the offseason lingers, we have all these questions about Head Coaches and Coordinators, we also need to figure out what we're going to do at QB. Many like Dak, but is he really the best option going forward?

Before proceeding, ask yourself, are you satisfied with Dak at QB and willing to pay him market price despite being 1-6 against winning teams with 7 TD's and 7 INT's I believe (rounding the stats here, take them with a grain of salt. The rounding isn't too far off, however). Or are you guys just nervous about drafting a bust in the draft? Are the odds of possibly drafting a cheaper rookie that is a bust higher than keeping Dak who is average (or above average, according to misleading stats)?

I'd like to point out Alex Smith. If the Chiefs hadn't of moved on, they wouldn't have gotten Mahomes. Yes, they might have drafted a bust, but they took the risk and got Mahomes instead. Same situation is valid for the Texans.

Dak is an average QB. He can win you games (Lions game, Vikes game had the playcalling actually been competent), but he can also be the reason why you lose others (2nd Philly game, Bills game, Patriots game, etc). He can be tagged and observed in the 2020 season with a new HC, however, what can a new HC to if the QB cannot hit wide open WR's, throws behind the receiver every other pass, cannot throw in stride, low pocket awareness, regresses badly to bad footwork and overall bad football IQ when under pressure, cannot read defenses well, etc. He is also not a pure athletic QB such as Watson or Jackson. Will a new HC really fix majority of his problems? I will be fair, he has pros such as leadership, personality, great locker room presence, good mentality, and slight clutchness, however, do all of these traits override his cons?

Anyways, let's delve into the draft:

QB's that are likely going to declare for 2020 include: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua, Jake Fromm (possibly), Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, and more.

Now, just because we don't have a high draft pick DOES NOT mean we won't draft a superstar. Watson and Mahomes were drafted at 10 and 12. Other QB's such as Wilson and obviously Tom Brady were drafted in later rounds. Pick does not matter. We may stumble upon a star. Herbert, a high prospect, is also predicted to go at 17 according to a lot of mock drafts. We may take a shot at him. Or, despite conflicting reports and opinion on Riley, if he does come here, we may get Hurts so they can continue to develop chemistry together.

Free Agency/Trade: There aren't many free agent QB's out there, a few notable soon to be FA's are Tannehill and Bridgewater. QB's that play around the same level as Dak, but at a cheaper price. Some may oppose bringing them in, but in hindsight, it's not a bad idea if you want to re-sign/bring in more expensive pieces that are needed to make average QB's look great (Cobb, a better backup QB, Amari, Byron Jones, etc).

Trade: This one is less likely, as we need draft pieces to get a better defense, however, it is not 100% out of the question. What are the odds that we trade enough pieces/rounds away to get Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, or Josh Allen? Low, yes, but still possible and negotiable. These QB's may not look the same under our system, but they are fundamentally better QB's than Dak, as well as more athletic in general.

Going forward into 2020, what should we do at QB and why? If you stay with Dak, what kind of offensive scheme would you run for him?

*Before anyone says "Dak will be paid. No doubt about it." Please inform me as to why he has yet to be actually paid by the Joneses? Actions speak louder than words. Just because they talk all this talk means nothing. They said they'd bring Dez and DeMarco Murray back, yet they did not. QB is a different situation, yes, but as I said before, actions speak louder than words. If they we're so bullish on Dak, they would have given him the contract he had asked for before. Just sayin'.
Good write up Amari!
I think realistically whats going to happen is Dallas will franchise Dak for this year giving the team time. I would love to see the team draft Herbet or even Tua and have them in training while they watch to see if this new coach can get Dak to play better which I doubt. Dallas could use Dak to trade up in the draft and then pay Keenum 12 mil to come in for a year.
I absolutely would not pay Dak 30 mil a year for 5 years. That would cripple this franchise!!!
 

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As the offseason lingers, we have all these questions about Head Coaches and Coordinators, we also need to figure out what we're going to do at QB. Many like Dak, but is he really the best option going forward?

Before proceeding, ask yourself, are you satisfied with Dak at QB and willing to pay him market price despite being 1-6 against winning teams with 7 TD's and 7 INT's I believe (rounding the stats here, take them with a grain of salt. The rounding isn't too far off, however). Or are you guys just nervous about drafting a bust in the draft? Are the odds of possibly drafting a cheaper rookie that is a bust higher than keeping Dak who is average (or above average, according to misleading stats)?

I'd like to point out Alex Smith. If the Chiefs hadn't of moved on, they wouldn't have gotten Mahomes. Yes, they might have drafted a bust, but they took the risk and got Mahomes instead. Same situation is valid for the Texans.

Dak is an average QB. He can win you games (Lions game, Vikes game had the playcalling actually been competent), but he can also be the reason why you lose others (2nd Philly game, Bills game, Patriots game, etc). He can be tagged and observed in the 2020 season with a new HC, however, what can a new HC to if the QB cannot hit wide open WR's, throws behind the receiver every other pass, cannot throw in stride, low pocket awareness, regresses badly to bad footwork and overall bad football IQ when under pressure, cannot read defenses well, etc. He is also not a pure athletic QB such as Watson or Jackson. Will a new HC really fix majority of his problems? I will be fair, he has pros such as leadership, personality, great locker room presence, good mentality, and slight clutchness, however, do all of these traits override his cons?

Anyways, let's delve into the draft:

QB's that are likely going to declare for 2020 include: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua, Jake Fromm (possibly), Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, and more.

Now, just because we don't have a high draft pick DOES NOT mean we won't draft a superstar. Watson and Mahomes were drafted at 10 and 12. Other QB's such as Wilson and obviously Tom Brady were drafted in later rounds. Pick does not matter. We may stumble upon a star. Herbert, a high prospect, is also predicted to go at 17 according to a lot of mock drafts. We may take a shot at him. Or, despite conflicting reports and opinion on Riley, if he does come here, we may get Hurts so they can continue to develop chemistry together.

Free Agency/Trade: There aren't many free agent QB's out there, a few notable soon to be FA's are Tannehill and Bridgewater. QB's that play around the same level as Dak, but at a cheaper price. Some may oppose bringing them in, but in hindsight, it's not a bad idea if you want to re-sign/bring in more expensive pieces that are needed to make average QB's look great (Cobb, a better backup QB, Amari, Byron Jones, etc).

Trade: This one is less likely, as we need draft pieces to get a better defense, however, it is not 100% out of the question. What are the odds that we trade enough pieces/rounds away to get Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, or Josh Allen? Low, yes, but still possible and negotiable. These QB's may not look the same under our system, but they are fundamentally better QB's than Dak, as well as more athletic in general.

Going forward into 2020, what should we do at QB and why? If you stay with Dak, what kind of offensive scheme would you run for him?

*Before anyone says "Dak will be paid. No doubt about it." Please inform me as to why he has yet to be actually paid by the Joneses? Actions speak louder than words. Just because they talk all this talk means nothing. They said they'd bring Dez and DeMarco Murray back, yet they did not. QB is a different situation, yes, but as I said before, actions speak louder than words. If they we're so bullish on Dak, they would have given him the contract he had asked for before. Just sayin'.
tl, dr... Dak is our franchise QB. Accept it so you don't waste your time speculating like you just did.
 

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Good write up Amari!
I think realistically whats going to happen is Dallas will franchise Dak for this year giving the team time. I would love to see the team draft Herbet or even Tua and have them in training while they watch to see if this new coach can get Dak to play better which I doubt. Dallas could use Dak to trade up in the draft and then pay Keenum 12 mil to come in for a year.
I absolutely would not pay Dak 30 mil a year for 5 years. That would cripple this franchise!!!
Dak is our QB for the next decade. All this speculation is a waste of time.
 

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As the offseason lingers, we have all these questions about Head Coaches and Coordinators, we also need to figure out what we're going to do at QB. Many like Dak, but is he really the best option going forward?

Before proceeding, ask yourself, are you satisfied with Dak at QB and willing to pay him market price despite being 1-6 against winning teams with 7 TD's and 7 INT's I believe (rounding the stats here, take them with a grain of salt. The rounding isn't too far off, however). Or are you guys just nervous about drafting a bust in the draft? Are the odds of possibly drafting a cheaper rookie that is a bust higher than keeping Dak who is average (or above average, according to misleading stats)?

I'd like to point out Alex Smith. If the Chiefs hadn't of moved on, they wouldn't have gotten Mahomes. Yes, they might have drafted a bust, but they took the risk and got Mahomes instead. Same situation is valid for the Texans.

Dak is an average QB. He can win you games (Lions game, Vikes game had the playcalling actually been competent), but he can also be the reason why you lose others (2nd Philly game, Bills game, Patriots game, etc). He can be tagged and observed in the 2020 season with a new HC, however, what can a new HC to if the QB cannot hit wide open WR's, throws behind the receiver every other pass, cannot throw in stride, low pocket awareness, regresses badly to bad footwork and overall bad football IQ when under pressure, cannot read defenses well, etc. He is also not a pure athletic QB such as Watson or Jackson. Will a new HC really fix majority of his problems? I will be fair, he has pros such as leadership, personality, great locker room presence, good mentality, and slight clutchness, however, do all of these traits override his cons?

Anyways, let's delve into the draft:

QB's that are likely going to declare for 2020 include: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua, Jake Fromm (possibly), Jacob Eason, Jordan Love, Jalen Hurts, and more.

Now, just because we don't have a high draft pick DOES NOT mean we won't draft a superstar. Watson and Mahomes were drafted at 10 and 12. Other QB's such as Wilson and obviously Tom Brady were drafted in later rounds. Pick does not matter. We may stumble upon a star. Herbert, a high prospect, is also predicted to go at 17 according to a lot of mock drafts. We may take a shot at him. Or, despite conflicting reports and opinion on Riley, if he does come here, we may get Hurts so they can continue to develop chemistry together.

Free Agency/Trade: There aren't many free agent QB's out there, a few notable soon to be FA's are Tannehill and Bridgewater. QB's that play around the same level as Dak, but at a cheaper price. Some may oppose bringing them in, but in hindsight, it's not a bad idea if you want to re-sign/bring in more expensive pieces that are needed to make average QB's look great (Cobb, a better backup QB, Amari, Byron Jones, etc).

Trade: This one is less likely, as we need draft pieces to get a better defense, however, it is not 100% out of the question. What are the odds that we trade enough pieces/rounds away to get Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, or Josh Allen? Low, yes, but still possible and negotiable. These QB's may not look the same under our system, but they are fundamentally better QB's than Dak, as well as more athletic in general.

Going forward into 2020, what should we do at QB and why? If you stay with Dak, what kind of offensive scheme would you run for him?

*Before anyone says "Dak will be paid. No doubt about it." Please inform me as to why he has yet to be actually paid by the Joneses? Actions speak louder than words. Just because they talk all this talk means nothing. They said they'd bring Dez and DeMarco Murray back, yet they did not. QB is a different situation, yes, but as I said before, actions speak louder than words. If they we're so bullish on Dak, they would have given him the contract he had asked for before. Just sayin'.
Good post now first thing there's a reason Prescott was a fourth round pick I'm not exactly willing to write him off just yet, I want to see a real head coach and a real Coach and staff work with him not that Jon kitna did a bad job but I think even he was limited by this pathetic coaching staff, with that being said I agree with you I don't have a problem with bringing in another quarterback the thing I see with Prescott is his decision making in the pocket although that got better this year and the latter part I saw it reappear? As far as his throwing the last two games I got to think that was because of injury ? Although at times even when healthy he has accuracy problems .I applaud the guy for going out there and giving it a shot no doubt about it but he probably should have been replaced at least in the Philly game if for nothing else to give the Philly defense a different look now would Cooper Rush be the answer I doubt it but at least I thought you had to try it. But I like your part about we're all focused on new coaches and coordinators but this team has a lot of issues besides that and I don't think bringing in even Bill Belichick would immediately bring us a Super Bowl caliber team? We have several free agents to deal with two so that means there will be more than likely a lot of new players here next year and I can see people on here roasting a new coach no matter who he is because I don't see us going to the playoffs or on a Super Bowl run anyway the NFC East is so degraded it would be easy for any team to win it and make the playoffs
 

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I see the options as:

1) Sign Dak long term
2) Franchise Dak
3) Use the #1 pick
4) Coax Andrew Luck out of retirement
5) Sign Johnny Manziel and/or Colin Kaepernick
6) Some combination thereof.
No way to number 5 No
 
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