McCarthy is an analytics disciple?

[conner01]

This was an interview with McCarthy and King after his hire?

Before
It’s posted in one of these post somewhere from today

 

[k19]

Love the concept of this FINALLY coming to the Cowboys.

From a 2017 S.I. Article

DALLAS COWBOYS
The Cowboys have quietly been leaders in analytics, to the point where personnel chief Will McClay—who has a traditional scouting and coaching background—served as the team’s director of football research as a precursor to his current job as senior director of college/pro scouting. COO Stephen Jones is all-in, too. Dallas was one of the first NFL teams to implement the Catapult player tracking system that Chip Kelly used at Oregon, and the team hired data scientist Tom Robinsonto take McClay’s old spot with plans to add staff underneath him. Coach Jason Garrett, too, has been a driver in making Dallas one of the organizations more open to the changing landscape.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/06/28/n...-school-approach-draft-game-planning-charting

Eagles and Panthers have entire analytics departments. Carolina started this year, Phillies been at it a while
https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelp...ide-roadmap-to-analytics-driven-future-of-nfl
https://www.panthers.com/news/meet-taylor-rajack-panthers-first-director-of-football-analytics
https://theriotreport.com/carolina-panthers-are-ground-zero-in-the-battle-of-analytics/

 

[Chuck 54]

Analytics are great during a game to know when to call a play at the right time....it will all determine what plays for what situations are on his play sheet each week. However, there’s still something to be said for knowing, in critical situations, who you are and going with power Football or your best receiver...period.

 

[pansophy]

This was an interview with McCarthy and King after his hire?

About a month ago. You can find here: https://cowboyszone.com/threads/mike-mccarthy-on-how-he-has-changed.450489/

 

[CapnB]

Sounds like common sense that should have been going on for 20 years but Garrett was so stubborn that he would never quit using plays in situations where they never worked. He just insisted on not changing. He could still be the coach if he had any self awareness and common sense at all.

Thing is, its something new for McCarthy. He didn't use analytics during his tenure in GB. Took him going to PFF head qtrs to see just how important it really was. His thinking in coaching was very similar to JG before that. Do what you do. and that was about it. Hopefully, he stands true to his new philosophy

 

[alicetooljam]

i would if i knew how.
im new to this analytics stuff too.

 

[cffl2323]

Cool.

Can you post a link?

Thanx.

 

[Redball Express]

From a 2017 S.I. Article

DALLAS COWBOYS
The Cowboys have quietly been leaders in analytics, to the point where personnel chief Will McClay—who has a traditional scouting and coaching background—served as the team’s director of football research as a precursor to his current job as senior director of college/pro scouting. COO Stephen Jones is all-in, too. Dallas was one of the first NFL teams to implement the Catapult player tracking system that Chip Kelly used at Oregon, and the team hired data scientist Tom Robinsonto take McClay’s old spot with plans to add staff underneath him. Coach Jason Garrett, too, has been a driver in making Dallas one of the organizations more open to the changing landscape.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/06/28/n...-school-approach-draft-game-planning-charting

Eagles and Panthers have entire analytics departments. Carolina started this year, Phillies been at it a while
https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelp...ide-roadmap-to-analytics-driven-future-of-nfl
https://www.panthers.com/news/meet-taylor-rajack-panthers-first-director-of-football-analytics
https://theriotreport.com/carolina-panthers-are-ground-zero-in-the-battle-of-analytics/

Wow.

Awesome. Had no idea.

Thanx..let me go read.

 

[pansophy]

This is a great point. I work in research and analytics. I see a lot of people use our data incorrectly and it doesn't do them any good. I see others who use the information, combined with their industry expertise, and dominate. What excites me about this situation is MM should have the experience, background, and football knowledge to use the information to his advantage. He has real life (game) experience - it's the combination of that experience and the insights gained from analytics that will hopefully make a huge difference.

Yeah, I did many years of medical informatics. A lot of smart people have no idea how to interpret data correctly. In football I always cringe when someone says something like "we are 25-2 when "x" player runs the ball at least 20 times -- how could we only give it to him 12 times".

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

So..

Of much of the info coming out about this McCarthy hire..

The fact he added to his base knowledge while off last year with adding analytics to his game planning is interesting and should help us immediately.

You would think most HCs would not have time to incorporate this directly..

leaving it to an assistant to do it.

Which is not the same as the person calling the plays and monitoring game flow.

And let's be clear..you have to be pretty darn smart to understand the numbers and use them well.

So obviously Mc Carthy is no dummy.

I took several statistical college courses and using numeric output to arrive at predicting outcomes is a little bit errie.

I was a psych major training lab rats in behavior modification.

At times stats implicates results you question but as you study it..are correct more often than not.

Recently it was revealed the Cowboys were not using analytics in playcalling.

It was plainly said they did not recognize it, yet teams all over the NFL were moving in that direction.

McCarthy being proficient in it was something Dallas could immediately now use thru McCarthy.

Interesting.

A quick about face if you ask me.

Be very interested in any of you out there who understand this and can add something about its function and use.

McCarthy seems a different breed of cat.

We shall see.

McCarthy will work in mysterious ways.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Yeah, I did many years of medical informatics. A lot of smart people have no idea how to interpret data correctly. In football I always cringe when someone says something like "we are 25-2 when "x" player runs the ball at least 20 times -- how could we only give it to him 12 times".

Beat up a lot in the schoolyard, mate?

 

[NorTex]

Analytics is meaningless if your guys don't execute or the other guys out-execute your guys. This is still just football. I think Madden videos and Fantasy football have stripped away common sense.

Garrett was a proponent of analytics. That did him/us no good when wide open players dropped passes or the QB couldn't get the ball to them. Or kickers miss kicks or punters get punts blocked. Oh, how about defensive players missing tackles...Good grief, it's just football..

 

[Redball Express]

Every Cowboy fan needs to watch this.

This coach knows what it takes.

Happy the Jones did this.

Go Cowboys.

 

[AbeBeta]

So..

Of much of the info coming out about this McCarthy hire..

The fact he added to his base knowledge while off last year with adding analytics to his game planning is interesting and should help us immediately.

You would think most HCs would not have time to incorporate this directly..

leaving it to an assistant to do it.

Which is not the same as the person calling the plays and monitoring game flow.

And let's be clear..you have to be pretty darn smart to understand the numbers and use them well.

So obviously Mc Carthy is no dummy.

I took several statistical college courses and using numeric output to arrive at predicting outcomes is a little bit errie.

I was a psych major training lab rats in behavior modification.

At times stats implicates results you question but as you study it..are correct more often than not.

Recently it was revealed the Cowboys were not using analytics in playcalling.

It was plainly said they did not recognize it, yet teams all over the NFL were moving in that direction.

McCarthy being proficient in it was something Dallas could immediately now use thru McCarthy.

Interesting.

A quick about face if you ask me.

Be very interested in any of you out there who understand this and can add something about its function and use.

McCarthy seems a different breed of cat.

We shall see.

Analytics are not complicated. Dude isn't doing the analyses himself. There are many resources that are just going to provide interpretations.

 

[pansophy]

Analytics is meaningless if your guys don't execute or the other guys out-execute your guys. This is still just football. I think Madden videos and Fantasy football have stripped away common sense.

Garrett was a proponent of analytics. That did him/us no good when wide open players dropped passes or the QB couldn't get the ball to them. Or kickers miss kicks or punters get punts blocked. Oh, how about defensive players missing tackles...Good grief, it's just football..

All analytics can do for you is to help you select the right players for your schemes, and once you got them, put them in the optimal position situationally to win -- something many complained Garrett failed to do.

 

[Avery]

Here’s another good article for his analytic viewpoint:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/16/mike-mccarthy-coaching-nfl-fmia-week-15-peter-king/

 

[NorTex]

All analytics can do for you is to help you select the right players for your schemes, and once you got them, put them in the optimal position situationally to win -- something many complained Garrett failed to do.

...Selecting the right players that other teams don't select first and selecting the right players that you can afford...

 

[Redball Express]

Analytics is meaningless if your guys don't execute or the other guys out-execute your guys. This is still just football. I think Madden videos and Fantasy football have stripped away common sense.

Garrett was a proponent of analytics. That did him/us no good when wide open players dropped passes or the QB couldn't get the ball to them. Or kickers miss kicks or punters get punts blocked. Oh, how about defensive players missing tackles...Good grief, it's just football..

It is just football.

And to me always just entertainment

But how you like how that entertainment arrives is what keeps me interested.

I have been a fan for 50+years and it blows me away how the NFL has become a 52 week sport.

It constantly gives you the basics and also the deep stuff like what we are talking about.

I never have time for the deep stuff until after the SB usually.

This is fun.

Thanx for your comments.

 

[cern]

So..

Of much of the info coming out about this McCarthy hire..

The fact he added to his base knowledge while off last year with adding analytics to his game planning is interesting and should help us immediately.

You would think most HCs would not have time to incorporate this directly..

leaving it to an assistant to do it.

Which is not the same as the person calling the plays and monitoring game flow.

And let's be clear..you have to be pretty darn smart to understand the numbers and use them well.

So obviously Mc Carthy is no dummy.

I took several statistical college courses and using numeric output to arrive at predicting outcomes is a little bit errie.

I was a psych major training lab rats in behavior modification.

At times stats implicates results you question but as you study it..are correct more often than not.

Recently it was revealed the Cowboys were not using analytics in playcalling.

It was plainly said they did not recognize it, yet teams all over the NFL were moving in that direction.

McCarthy being proficient in it was something Dallas could immediately now use thru McCarthy.

Interesting.

A quick about face if you ask me.

Be very interested in any of you out there who understand this and can add something about its function and use.

McCarthy seems a different breed of cat.

We shall see.

It's like quantum physics. Difficult to understand. Difficult to explain. But can't be denied.

 

[NorTex]

Here's an article about NFL teams usage of analytics for those that are interested, its 3 years old: https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/06/28/n...-school-approach-draft-game-planning-charting