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I disagree horizontal routes he does not get the ball out on time, his guys are always stopping or making difficult catches because the ball is not where it needs to be.
I disagree horizontal routes he does not get the ball out on time, his guys are always stopping or making difficult catches because the ball is not where it needs to be.
McCarthy in that Peter King piece points to an notebook on the bottom and says, there are some old WC offense notes down there. It is all just pieces of the puzzleI know exactly what it is. Bill Walsh was its founder.
It's a passing offense designed to work like a run offense with lots of short swing passes and slants mixed in with the run game. It's designed to set up occasional deeper throws, but stays mostly within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage.
McCarthy is more of a run guy by preference. I don't think this will be a WCO in the end.
So I have heard this mentioned several times by McCarthy.
I have watched the Packers bounce us out of the playoffs twice with it.
So what do you guys think about that aspect of the changing offense?
How does Dak fit that or will he struggle by having been in Linehan/Moore schemes?
Is it going to be obvious or a subtle change coming.?
We were lead to believe Moore had this profound change after Linehan was gone.
But I never saw much except we fell behind too often and had to throw to have any chance to stay in games.
Dak looked better but it was not due to design..it was due to have to.
So now West Coast?
Is this going to change anything?
Forum..check in.
Differing opinions welcome.
As long as they don’t run a lot of crossing routes where Dak has a tendency to throw high or behind the WRs.
I know exactly what it is. Bill Walsh was its founder.
It's a passing offense designed to work like a run offense with lots of short swing passes and slants mixed in with the run game. It's designed to set up occasional deeper throws, but stays mostly within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage.
McCarthy is more of a run guy by preference. I don't think this will be a WCO in the end.
I kind of disagree and hear me out--
I know I'm known as a Dak critic (hater, to some) and I don't necessarily deny that I'm not high on him.
But--objectively--and taking any preconceived notions/feelings out of it--when I watch Dak play the position, it seems to me that some of the throws he struggles with the most are those quick crosses and slants (often times, the ball seems to arrive late/off target/behind, either resulting in a really difficult catch without YAC for the receiver, or the play just being off altogether.)
Not saying he *always* misses these throws, but it seems to me that these types of timing/location throws that go quick are some of the throws that he seems to struggle the worst with.
Exactly the type of throws needed to be a top tier WCO quarterback.
To me--Dak's best strength is when he extends plays by his legs and kind of almost improvises on the go with something that opens up downfield.
I'm still not high on him in any circumstance but this seems to be maybe what he's best at.
I may be proven wrong (and I hope I will be) but if we install WCO type offense I could see it being really tough to watch unless Dak dramatically improves his timing and location on some of the throws needed, and he hasn't shown enough of that over 4 years imo.
thoughts?
Good points.A good coach (and, maybe one that has been fired and had to re-learn a few things) should know that, even if my philosophy is different than the last guy, I still use elements of what was working and ADAPT (something that it seemed Garrett and Marinelli NEVER did) them to my way of things. With the news that MM wants Kellen to stay on as OC, I must say I like how this can play out. First, as erratic as he may haves been in his first year, Kellen STILL oversaw an offense that OBLITERATED the Team Record for Total Yards and YPG. Now, he gets to learn even more ways to do his thing from a guy that runs his offense from an entirely different perspective.
I’ve long been a guy that wanted to see how Dak would look running a offense with WCO principles and philosophies. Seems like a lot of the more mobile guys (Wilson, McNabb, Mahomes, Jackson, Vick, etc...) seems to do well in this offensive system versus your more traditional pocket QB-heavy system like the Air Coryell. The Air Coryell ALWAYS succeeds better with a supremely accurate pocket passer. The WCO hasn’t always required pinpoint accuracy from guys.
The WCO hasn't been a dink and dunk offense for ages. It's evolved.
Hell, mid 90s Favre was the #1 big play highlight reel passer in football in that system. Rodgers took it over and threw rocketballs downfield constantly. And if we're pretending that Mahomes running the WCO for Reid is a "dink dunk" guy in 2018-2020 I don't know what you're smoking.
I mean everybody who hates the Patriots calls Brady a "system quarterback" as a dig, but that Erhard-Perkins offense was invented in the 1970s and never mattered until he was the one using it. Systems are just general frameworks you modify as needed to get the most out of your talent and set up the best matchups.
This is very true if you completely ignore reality. He finished 6th in the league in average intended air yards and third in average completed air yards lol.Dak likes to dink and dunk, so it should be a good fit.
Agreed. I think we'll see a lot more of the screen/short passing game as a compliment to the run game.
That means fewer rushing attempts, specifically, but it should have the same impact.
I don't think they'll be "replacing" the vertical passing game with the screen game. I think they'll be handing the ball off less with it.Efficient screen passes to the RBs will be a great benefit - as it used to be a deadly weapon when zeke was his former 2016-17 version and
capable of breaking the home run play. I thought we got away from the RB screen under Kellen Moore.
I think the biggest differences will be the rhythm time based pass game under Kellen was more of a push aimed for more vertical downfield chunk yards and whereas
the west coast- as you said- will be more focused on the short passing game while taking its occasional shot over the top.
I'm very interested to see how McCarthy will make better use of the RBs and TEs in his offense.
So I have heard this mentioned several times by McCarthy.
I have watched the Packers bounce us out of the playoffs twice with it.
So what do you guys think about that aspect of the changing offense?
How does Dak fit that or will he struggle by having been in Linehan/Moore schemes?
Is it going to be obvious or a subtle change coming.?
We were lead to believe Moore had this profound change after Linehan was gone.
But I never saw much except we fell behind too often and had to throw to have any chance to stay in games.
Dak looked better but it was not due to design..it was due to have to.
So now West Coast?
Is this going to change anything?
Forum..check in.
Differing opinions welcome.
It’s a proven championship level offense and McCarthy is one of the best at understanding and implementing it
I think it lends itself to Dak’s skill set
I’m on board
Bust on Dak all you want. Now that we finally have a real coach that knows how to run an offense is a good thing. Garrett was the main impediment on Dak. Dak was not coached well on things he needed to learn. With proper coaching, Dak will excel and be a good QB.
I am assuming that Dak will be under center(no more shotgun) which was a rarity in the past. Dak will also have to work on his accuracy leading receivers to get YAC. TE’s need to be able to block and be a possession guy. Our RB’s would be a good fit and the WR’s have to be good route runners.
If Dak can get better at making quick decisions and lead the receiver, than this can work well. Camp will be interesting.......