It's time for a brutally honest roster talent evaluation

[ChuckA1]

blah blah blah Jerry in the HOF he still owns the team, he still will be GM and either live with it or all you are doing is arguing an unwinnable point..

if you hate it so much move on to another team you have 26 to chose from, I choose this one and The jonses brought 3 SB wins in 30 years one more then the 30years prior..

it hasn't been fun at times but we have an ownership that will not change themselves out so we can b happy a new staff was hired..

Don't mean to argue or criticize, but don't you mean 31 other teams? Or did I miss some reorganization over the last few weeks?

 

[Jfconrow]

Just build in the trenches. The Oline is falling apart and the Dline is the marenelli variety that can’t stop the run.

Safety won’t do any good unless the front 7 gets to the QB and stop the run.

WR won’t do any good with Smith on his way out, Williams struggling. Yea 3 of 5 around 30 years old, start rebuilding in pieces while the foundation is still ok.

I think they’ve got to franchise Dak and their gonna camaflauge it behind a new coach. Kinda feel bad for Dak here, he’s gonna have to make a contract stand or play year to year. I don’t think you draft a QB early. If they are leaning that way, I’d rather trade down build up ammo for when that Clemson QB comes out next year.

LB I would not pass on a bpa talent, this might be the biggest need with injuries...I would look for an early LB

TE isn’t gonna make the team more explosive unless it’s a Kittle, Ertz type but still will they play ahead of witten?


Idk, they’ve got to rethink the whole team.

 

[Verdict]

Just build in the trenches. The Oline is falling apart and the Dline is the marenelli variety that can’t stop the run.

Safety won’t do any good unless the front 7 gets to the QB and stop the run.

WR won’t do any good with Smith on his way out, Williams struggling. Yea 3 of 5 around 30 years old, start rebuilding in pieces while the foundation is still ok.

I think they’ve got to franchise Dak and their gonna camaflauge it behind a new coach. Kinda feel bad for Dak here, he’s gonna have to make a contract stand or play year to year. I don’t think you draft a QB early. If they are leaning that way, I’d rather trade down build up ammo for when that Clemson QB comes out next year.

LB I would not pass on a bpa talent, this might be the biggest need with injuries...I would look for an early LB

TE isn’t gonna make the team more explosive unless it’s a Kittle, Ertz type but still will they play ahead of witten?


Idk, they’ve got to rethink the whole team.

Good post. Some people here live in the past. It’s good to see you aren’t one of them.

This OL used to be very good but that was 4 years ago. They haven’t been nearly as dominant since then.

Tyron can fall off the cliff at any time and Martin is starting to have health concerns too. Football is a young man’s game.

Witten and Lee were good 5 or 6 years ago too but they are done. Have to move on and stop living in “glory days”.

 

[Clove]

The way McCarthy is moving in new coaches and cleaning out the old coaches, I think the same thing I might happen with a lot of players, which I have NO problems with.

 

[blueblood70]

This is pretty ridiculous.

He's not in the Hall of Fame for his GM work. Stop.

It's been 24 years since we played in a SB. 24. We've made the playoffs less than half those years. We have 4 playoff wins total. You can't seriously sit there and blame all that futility just on the players. He's made mistakes in player personnel. He's also shown himself to be a horrible judge of coaching talent as well, which is precisely another key responsibility of a GM. Dave Campo? Chan Gailey? Garrett for a decade?

He's a mediocre GM, at best, when you look at the entire landscape, all that fell under his control and the overall results over the last two decades. Again, we've performed in the BOTTOM THIRD OF ALL NFL FRANCHISES in terms of conference champ game appearances, playoff appearances, playoff wins over those 24 years. How anyone can sit there and suggest that Jerry has done a good job as GM building this franchise is beyond me when you look at our postseason record when Jerry has had all the control himself is bizarre.

STOP LIVING IN THE PAST, GET BACK TO THE PRESENT, AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE FUTURE..

SOME OF YOU SIMPLY LUV SURROUNDING YOURSELF IN NEAGTIVITY AND MISERY..

Move on....

 

[blueblood70]

That's what he did in college. FB/TE/WR. Disappointing we didn't try him more that way, particularly with Olawale being such a flop.

New staff new hope..

 

[CowboyRoy]

Mike McCarthy is a good hire. He gives us a realistic chance to maximize the talent we have, but perhaps more importantly, he gives us the opportunity to have a fresh set of eyes to evaluate this team’s roster. This team needs a really good offseason to evaluate its talent and upgrade where needed.

One of the weaknesses of our organization the last two decades is too often having a rosy estimate of our talent. The best NFL GMs are willing and able to look at players critically and determine how much tread is on the tire of a player and their true value in a hard salary cap.

I’m of the opinion that most of us as fans, and sadly even the Jones power brokers, tend to overvalue our talent. That’s normal for fans. It’s not normal for a good front office.

With that in mind, here are some positions and roster spots (in no particular order) I believe need some real scrutiny:

• LT- Truly one of the 3 most important positions on a team includes LT. From 2011-2018, Tyron Smith was one of the best players in the NFL and perhaps even the best player on the Cowboys roster. But back and knee injuries have made Ty Smith a lot more human. We need to consider that his days as a top LT are winding down.

• Safety- a no brainer. We haven’t had great talent at this position for too long. It’s time for this team to invest in a premium draft pick at a long time position of need.

• DT- a close second to safety in obvious need. Another position where we have settled for mid-late round draft picks or cheap retreads. It’s past time to address this position early in the draft.

• WR- Amari Cooper is a great talent and he certainly helped this team for two years. But I don’t believe in investing huge cap space on a position that is one of the easiest to find talent. Michael Gallup’s emergence also makes giving huge cap dollars to Cooper less attractive. I favor moving on from him and saving some cash.

• LB- I still believe a healthy LVE is a great talent. I’m a little concerned about Jaylon after his big contract but he’s still certainly a talent. This team still needs LB talent. We should probably say goodbye to Sean Lee though. Love the guy and what he has meant to this team. But it’s better to cut a guy a year early than too late.
  
  
• Guard- I’m not convinced that Connor Williams is a starter. He’s ok at best. Maybe Connor Macgovern is an upgrade and Williams just becomes a decent backup. But this position needs to be addressed.
  
  
• TE- Jason Witten needs to go. He’s a HOFer but he’s done. We need another TE probably from the draft to complement the emergence of Blake Jarwin.

There are probably more positions of need not mentioned above. But it’s certainly clear this team needs upgrades at multiple positions. In general, I would say the defense has the most glaring needs. But I also hope Coach Mac is able to bring a more discerning eye on this roster. And that we can stop being married to a player too long because “we love them”.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Mike McCarthy is a good hire. He gives us a realistic chance to maximize the talent we have, but perhaps more importantly, he gives us the opportunity to have a fresh set of eyes to evaluate this team’s roster. This team needs a really good offseason to evaluate its talent and upgrade where needed.

One of the weaknesses of our organization the last two decades is too often having a rosy estimate of our talent. The best NFL GMs are willing and able to look at players critically and determine how much tread is on the tire of a player and their true value in a hard salary cap.

I’m of the opinion that most of us as fans, and sadly even the Jones power brokers, tend to overvalue our talent. That’s normal for fans. It’s not normal for a good front office.

With that in mind, here are some positions and roster spots (in no particular order) I believe need some real scrutiny:

• LT- Truly one of the 3 most important positions on a team includes LT. From 2011-2018, Tyron Smith was one of the best players in the NFL and perhaps even the best player on the Cowboys roster. But back and knee injuries have made Ty Smith a lot more human. We need to consider that his days as a top LT are winding down.

• Safety- a no brainer. We haven’t had great talent at this position for too long. It’s time for this team to invest in a premium draft pick at a long time position of need.

• DT- a close second to safety in obvious need. Another position where we have settled for mid-late round draft picks or cheap retreads. It’s past time to address this position early in the draft.

• WR- Amari Cooper is a great talent and he certainly helped this team for two years. But I don’t believe in investing huge cap space on a position that is one of the easiest to find talent. Michael Gallup’s emergence also makes giving huge cap dollars to Cooper less attractive. I favor moving on from him and saving some cash.

• LB- I still believe a healthy LVE is a great talent. I’m a little concerned about Jaylon after his big contract but he’s still certainly a talent. This team still needs LB talent. We should probably say goodbye to Sean Lee though. Love the guy and what he has meant to this team. But it’s better to cut a guy a year early than too late.
  
  
• Guard- I’m not convinced that Connor Williams is a starter. He’s ok at best. Maybe Connor Macgovern is an upgrade and Williams just becomes a decent backup. But this position needs to be addressed.
  
  
• TE- Jason Witten needs to go. He’s a HOFer but he’s done. We need another TE probably from the draft to complement the emergence of Blake Jarwin.

There are probably more positions of need not mentioned above. But it’s certainly clear this team needs upgrades at multiple positions. In general, I would say the defense has the most glaring needs. But I also hope Coach Mac is able to bring a more discerning eye on this roster. And that we can stop being married to a player too long because “we love them”.

Some of us DONT over value the roster and speak about its shortcoming all the time.

-That being said, DT is #1 by far. Need some big guys up front so our great young linebackers can make plays.

-Safety we all know about. Personally, I don't think Woods is the answer either.

-We also have a problem at RDE and corner if Byron walks.

-Guard we are fine with McGovern and Williams.

-LT...…..martin will move the LT when Smith is toast.

-Backup QB is big issue.

At least we don't have to complain about the coaching for a while.

 

[Whyjerry]

Mike McCarthy is a good hire. He gives us a realistic chance to maximize the talent we have, but perhaps more importantly, he gives us the opportunity to have a fresh set of eyes to evaluate this team’s roster. This team needs a really good offseason to evaluate its talent and upgrade where needed.

One of the weaknesses of our organization the last two decades is too often having a rosy estimate of our talent. The best NFL GMs are willing and able to look at players critically and determine how much tread is on the tire of a player and their true value in a hard salary cap.

I’m of the opinion that most of us as fans, and sadly even the Jones power brokers, tend to overvalue our talent. That’s normal for fans. It’s not normal for a good front office.

With that in mind, here are some positions and roster spots (in no particular order) I believe need some real scrutiny:

• LT- Truly one of the 3 most important positions on a team includes LT. From 2011-2018, Tyron Smith was one of the best players in the NFL and perhaps even the best player on the Cowboys roster. But back and knee injuries have made Ty Smith a lot more human. We need to consider that his days as a top LT are winding down.

• Safety- a no brainer. We haven’t had great talent at this position for too long. It’s time for this team to invest in a premium draft pick at a long time position of need.

• DT- a close second to safety in obvious need. Another position where we have settled for mid-late round draft picks or cheap retreads. It’s past time to address this position early in the draft.

• WR- Amari Cooper is a great talent and he certainly helped this team for two years. But I don’t believe in investing huge cap space on a position that is one of the easiest to find talent. Michael Gallup’s emergence also makes giving huge cap dollars to Cooper less attractive. I favor moving on from him and saving some cash.

• LB- I still believe a healthy LVE is a great talent. I’m a little concerned about Jaylon after his big contract but he’s still certainly a talent. This team still needs LB talent. We should probably say goodbye to Sean Lee though. Love the guy and what he has meant to this team. But it’s better to cut a guy a year early than too late.
  
  
• Guard- I’m not convinced that Connor Williams is a starter. He’s ok at best. Maybe Connor Macgovern is an upgrade and Williams just becomes a decent backup. But this position needs to be addressed.
  
  
• TE- Jason Witten needs to go. He’s a HOFer but he’s done. We need another TE probably from the draft to complement the emergence of Blake Jarwin.

There are probably more positions of need not mentioned above. But it’s certainly clear this team needs upgrades at multiple positions. In general, I would say the defense has the most glaring needs. But I also hope Coach Mac is able to bring a more discerning eye on this roster. And that we can stop being married to a player too long because “we love them”.

I agree. My buddy is Mr. PSU football and he swears Connor M is going to make Cowboys fans real happy. I used to think Cooper was the answer but now I am not sure for cap purposes only. I wish they had spent the money on him vs. Zeke so now he seems like a potential cap casualty. I would also add CB to this list. I think Jones is a goner (again cap casualty). I hope they sign Brown to something reasonable. I am not sold on Chido at all. Lewis is my starter now so CB needs attention. LB also needs to be looked at because the top 2 guys have big question marks attached to them. My off-season priorities are...DT, S, TE, CB and LB.

 

[blueblood70]

Why do we so often end up with this response? Can’t we still be Cowboys fans with different opinions w/out being asked to “move on to another team”? Blue I don’t think you mean what this sounds like- but that’s insulting to even suggest to a fellow fan that they take their fandom elsewhere if they have a certain opinion. Differing opinions shouldn’t lead to calls to move on to another team. I think you’re better than that.

Because if a Fan uses all his efforts in a forum like this to pronounce his hate for the Owner, GM, all coaches, most of the players, and does nothing but spew negativity and make sure he trounces on every thing related to the star, how do you call that being a Fan in any way shape or form..?

I'm not 100% positive I tell the truth when it comes to poor games, bad execution, or coaching etc but at some point the fans who hate things all cowboys for 25yrs, thats the opposite of a fan, thats a critic hats what opponents do..

if this is all you bring is hate towards a team thats not an opinion thats ANTI-FAN Rhetoric brother and it will get that response from me.. I dont say that to many people here but once its painfully obvious that the posters contributions are 90% anti team , what else is there to take from that?

I swear its like battling a philly, Washington, or NY fan in a bar during a game.. that I expect but from some here why waste all your energy being a fan if you hate all that happened in the last 25yrs , nearly all posts are negative?

I stand behind my response.. he needs to dissolve his membership here and go sign up for another team he actually likes LOL

we call a player like that on teams , Cancers? so here what they get a pass? The culture being created from the small% of members is being a negative one..
like I said Fans can say negative things , they can have varying opinions but when its obvious that nearly ALL of their content is negative, whats the point?

 

[charron]

If you are going to ask to be honest about talent go ahead and include all positions, every player.

 

[blueblood70]

Don't mean to argue or criticize, but don't you mean 31 other teams? Or did I miss some reorganization over the last few weeks?

Random number lol im sure they wont choose the bottom feeders that are perceived to be worse then us, they will be the obvious bandwagoners and jump on the team with the upside.. you know like the ones they keep saying we should emulate.. Go Chiefs!!! Go Niners!!! Go Titans!

 

[Beast_from_East]

I am grabbing a DT, a safety, a TE, a LB in that order. Unless a O-Lineman falls in the lap.

I would go safety at 17 if Delpit from LSU is there.

Dude is legit........everything else i agree with

 

[Future]

Since that's not why he got in, I guess the rest of the NFL doesn't agree w/ you.

I didn't say that's why he's got in, did I?

But of course that played a part in it. Any other interpretation would be naive. Bill Polian got in and all he did was ride Peyton's jock.

 

[Tussinman]

The Tyron health scare is the most over-rated narrative on this forum.

All we heard in 2017 was his impeding doom and then he went and played better in 2018. Heard the same narrative this year and the only major set-back he had was a fluke impact collision, his 40 million dollar QB crashing into his ankles (that same injury would of happend to ANY tackle that was on the field that play). If it wasn't for a fluke injury this would of been his healthiest season since 2016......... (let's slow our roll on his impeding doom).

If you want to talk health issues are LG Connor Williams has had knee surgery in his last 3 seasons. He's not durable at all and most think he's under-sized for the position. 4 total knee surgeries so far and he's only 22.......

You want to talk real health issues Amari cooper. He has literally disappeared in the 2nd half of the season in 2 of the last 3 years. Not sure if that's someone you want to give 3 years of guranteed high dollar money to

 

[Whyjerry]

How about a list of guys we like and a virtual guarantees next season - Dak, Zeke, Gallup, Martin, Collins, the Beard, Smith, Jarwin, Lawrence (even though I don't like him), LVE and Sun Glass man (even though I really don't like these guys), Lewis, and...

It is a short list. They have a ton of work to do. All those 1 year contracts are unsettling.

 

[Keithfansince5]

Not sure if you're serious or not, but I'm a God loving and church going person so that was not my intent at all and I didn't see it as disrespectful but just as a fun little cartoon depicting that Big Mike was possibly going to be the savoir of our organization.. If you honestly feel offended by it, I will delete it, it never occurred to me as offensive, but more as a light hearted fun.

Yeah, I think you need to reevaluate that image. I am not opposed to funny meme's but honestly, when they involve replacing a man with our Lord, it is no longer funny. I hope you take it down because you want to not because I want it to be taken down.

 

[chicago JK]

I think a glaring mistake would be to think a coaching change fixes all our problems. If you give a honest look at our talent, you see a team with very little high or potential to be high talent on rookie deals (Gallup being one and healthy LVE another). Most of our talent has been paid. That is not a good place to be in today's NFL. It is why this years draft and next years draft will play a big role on McCarthy's success here. My fear is this teams believes the talent isn't an issue.

Fixing the middle of the defense (DT and Safety) should be high on the priority list and not particularly with high priced FA signings. Fixing the depth with young talent and fixing the special teams would be my focus. All three issues are not all tied to our lack of coaching imo.

 

[johneric8]

Yeah, I think you need to reevaluate that image. I am not opposed to funny meme's but honestly, when they involve replacing a man with our Lord, it is no longer funny. I hope you take it down because you want to not because I want it to be taken down.

I appreciate your response, I never even considered it offensive, but I appreciate you bringing it to my attention.

 

[Sydla]

STOP LIVING IN THE PAST, GET BACK TO THE PRESENT, AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE FUTURE..

SOME OF YOU SIMPLY LUV SURROUNDING YOURSELF IN NEAGTIVITY AND MISERY..

Move on....

The irony here is hilarious. "Stop living in the past" coming from a guy who is basing his opinion on Jerry on three Super Bowls from 24 years ago.

LOL.