I don't think Byron Jones will be back

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Johnny23 said:
I can't speak for anyone else but from what I saw even going back to college he has limited hips, straight line athlete albeit an exceptional one, he's a poor tackler that's why having him at safety was problematic, and he lacks ball skills. He doesn't get turnovers which matter in winning football games at the rate we need as a major NFL franchise.

He's a great dude, smart,and team player but not worth what he might ask to be retained. His only turnovers are a hail Mary and a tipped pass. He's never around the ball. He lacks spacial awareness and always seems late on creating turnovers needed to win ballgames. It's like he's the Anthony Spencer of DBs. So close to the drive ending sack but yet so far away.
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BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He played at Uconn. Yes Uconn. And didn't even create turnovers there. He is an athlete and that's it. Has zero instincts and zero ball skills. Combine warrior. Once he loses a step he will be burnt toast.
 
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Hennessy_King said:
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He played at Uconn. Yes Uconn. And didn't even create turnovers there. He is an athlete and that's it. Has zero instincts and zero ball skills. Combine warrior. Once he loses a step he will be burnt toast.
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Yep. He's a prime example of when you put the most athletic guy you can find on the field and have him go run around. Sure he's picked up some things along the way but he's about to be a very expensive average cornerback.
 
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Johnny23 said:
Yep. He's a prime example of when you put the most athletic guy you can find on the field and have him go run around. Sure he's picked up some things along the way but he's about to be a very expensive average cornerback.
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Well, you guys are about to open up the whole field for opposing QB's to throw at because our CB crew could veryy well take a huge nosedive without Byron.

I hope you have a replacement plan because I don't think a 2nd or 3rd rounder is gonna quite cut it unless you get real fortunate.
 
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aikemirv said:
Well, you guys are about to open up the whole field for opposing QB's to throw at because our CB crew could veryy well take a huge nosedive without Byron.

I hope you have a replacement plan because I don't think a 2nd or 3rd rounder is gonna quite cut it unless you get real fortunate.
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I would rather sign anthony harris with that $$ draft a cb in 2nd or 3rd round. also sign anthony brown for cheap. maybe even bring a guy in FA as well. I would bring mo claiborne back. if he stays healthy he can play outside.
 
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aikemirv said:
Well, you guys are about to open up the whole field for opposing QB's to throw at because our CB crew could veryy well take a huge nosedive without Byron.

I hope you have a replacement plan because I don't think a 2nd or 3rd rounder is gonna quite cut it unless you get real fortunate.
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I don't subscribe to the draft everyone philosophy that Dallas does in acquiring secondary talent. Letting about the entire secondary walk and then going draft crazy was pitiful. Yes I sign a veteran and draft a rookie. It's not an either or thing.
 
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TexasFrog said:
I'm going to be the contrarian but why are people so against Jones? Yes we need turnovers but did anyone think maybe its our system? He is our best corner. He can slide to other positions if needed. He's a good locker room guy. Never complains. People are trying to run him out when our D as a whole was devoid of turnovers.
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Agree.

He's our best corner.

Its not even close.
 
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Byron is the only solid player back there. I like Lewis in the slot but other than him, I don't have any faith in anybody - especially Brown on the outside!
 
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Johnny23 said:
I can't speak for anyone else but from what I saw even going back to college he has limited hips, straight line athlete albeit an exceptional one, he's a poor tackler that's why having him at safety was problematic, and he lacks ball skills. He doesn't get turnovers which matter in winning football games at the rate we need as a major NFL franchise.

He's a great dude, smart,and team player but not worth what he might ask to be retained. His only turnovers are a hail Mary and a tipped pass. He's never around the ball. He lacks spacial awareness and always seems late on creating turnovers needed to win ballgames. It's like he's the Anthony Spencer of DBs. So close to the drive ending sack but yet so far away.
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First of all..nice response. Well thought out. There are things about his game I agree on completely. I also don't like overpaying guys. BUT my issue is Plan B. What is it? Our secondary is trash. We haven't been players in the FA game in a bit. Drafting is hit or miss as you can see by what else we are trotting out there. So despite some reservations...which you expressed, I'm not sure why we would get rid of our best guy when we aren't sure if Nolan can help him or if we can do better. This won't be popular but I almost feel like we could tag him, pay Dak and see if there is an improvement under new coaches and if not, move on. I have more faith in Dak improving. I don't know. Below is a good tweet by Mosher with some actually good responses

 
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Even Mugsy B. and Spud Webb got rebounds for there height in games. You would have thought they would not have.
 
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Future said:
They can, pretty easily lol. The idea that the Cowboys are under some crazy cap crunch is made up by fans. At cap hits of:

Dak - $25m
Amari - $17m
Byron - $15m
Quinn - $10m

You've got another $15m to play with before you do a single thing, and that's probably high end with how they'll structure those contracts.
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Why would any of you want Quinn to stay here for 10 mil a year? This guy is horrible against the run and got destroyed by screens - he's a guy that was hunting for a big contract and how do you get that? Sacks. I'm out when it comes to Quinn.
 
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ultron said:
Why would any of you want Quinn to stay here for 10 mil a year? This guy is horrible against the run and got destroyed by screens - he's a guy that was hunting for a big contract and how do you get that? Sacks. I'm out when it comes to Quinn.
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B/c you play him on passing downs. He's a great passrusher.
 

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Byron is a good CB, however he is not a top 5 corner.
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Can you list all the CB's that you believe are better than him?

Not trying to start a fight, just don't know that I can name 5 I would put on the field in front of him.

IMO, Gilmore is clearly the #1. After that, probably Ramsey .... but he seems to have lapses that are concerning. Few other I could consider but they all have inconsistencies (Humphrey's, White, Alexander).

I have seen Byron line up against clearly top 5 receivers & hold them in check. I understand the lack of picks argument but I think people vastly underrate what it takes to perform at the level Byron has played these last two seasons.

So if you let Byron walk, you have to probably overpay a FA who isn't as good or trust that you can draft a guy who can come in & start, right?
I mean we don't have an understudy that looks like he was ready to start. Unless you plan on resigning Brown and letting he & Lewis be starters (one of them play outside & one the slot). If you lose Byron & Brown, you've got a lot to replace. As in serious issue.
 
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McKDaddy said:
Can you list all the CB's that you believe are better than him?

Not trying to start a fight, just don't know that I can name 5 I would put on the field in front of him.

IMO, Gilmore is clearly the #1. After that, probably Ramsey .... but he seems to have lapses that are concerning. Few other I could consider but they all have inconsistencies (Humphrey's, White, Alexander).

I have seen Byron line up against clearly top 5 receivers & hold them in check. I understand the lack of picks argument but I think people vastly underrate what it takes to perform at the level Byron has played these last two seasons.

So if you let Byron walk, you have to probably overpay a FA who isn't as good or trust that you can draft a guy who can come in & start, right?
I mean we don't have an understudy that looks like he was ready to start. Unless you plan on resigning Brown and letting he & Lewis be starters (one of them play outside & one the slot). If you lose Byron & Brown, you've got a lot to replace. As in serious issue.
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1. Stephon Gilmore
2. Jalen Ramsey
3. Patrick Peterson
4. Marshon Lattimore
5. Xavier Rhodes

Let's keep the our current corners (excluding BJ) and invest in the DL. Draft a corner with one of the first 3 picks and move on.
 
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CoachD said:
Unless they want a cornerback that will go THREE years in a row without a pick. Imagine your "shut down" cornerback without an INT for two years in a row, how is that even possible? There is no way you bring back Jones when you have to pay Prescott and Cooper big money plus Byron Jones isn't even worth paying him among the league's highest-paid CB's! Time to go in another direction, let Jones walk (actually let him run) and either draft a corner with your first pick or pick up someone in free agency!
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So this isn't really that you don't think Jones will be back, but rather that you hope that he won't.

I think he's likely to leave because we don't have enough tags to go around. Unless we work out a contract with Prescott or Cooper in the next month, we'll tag both of them IMO. Jones will go test the water and get paid more that our team will want to give him.

That's too bad because despite that lack of interceptions, quarterbacks stay away from Jones because of his excellent coverage. I hope any possible uptick in interceptions from the starting duo of Lewis and Awuzie isn't offset by them getting beat regularly.
 
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Future said:
They can, pretty easily lol. The idea that the Cowboys are under some crazy cap crunch is made up by fans. At cap hits of:

Dak - $25m
Amari - $17m
Byron - $15m
Quinn - $10m

You've got another $15m to play with before you do a single thing, and that's probably high end with how they'll structure those contracts.
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All of those seem kinda low to me especially Dak's.
 
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