If Dak gets tagged will there be any team that offers up two 1st round picks?

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Make an agreement with the Bengals:

You take Dak and give us 2 first round picks.
If the picks are this year and next, we will select Burrow and give you back next years 1st .

If the picks start in 2021, the Bengals will select Burrow and trade him to us and we will give them back their 2 picks.

....and then I woke up.

were your shorts wet? just wondering if it was a wet dream

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He wasn't valuable to the Steelers. That's my point, every team has priorities. The Jets find value in a RB, the Steelers didn't. The Steelers clearly find value in paying a QB though, so the comps to Bell are irrelevant.

The team hasn't tried $37 if they offered $34, and it's probably more about guarantees than anything.

He was valuable to the Steelers. They offered him a good deal, just not as good as he wanted and so they ended up tagging him. He didn't sign and then sat out. So if your point is that the Steelers will simply fall all over a deal that offers 37 so that they can be right back at the table in two years, yeah, I don't think so. But again, they paid Ben, a QB they know can win a championship for them but only on a short term deal because I suspect they knew they didn't want him in a long term deal because of his age. There is no guarantee that they look at Dak that way. Dak has won nothing and why on earth would they pay that kind of money so that they could be back at the table in a couple of years.

As an FYI, the reporting on why the deal was turned down, from what I saw, was not guarantees. It was the length of the deal. Cowboys wanted a long term deal, Dak and his agent wanted a very short deal.

 

[Future]

He was valuable to the Steelers. They offered him a good deal, just not as good as he wanted and so they ended up tagging him. He didn't sign and then sat out. So if your point is that the Steelers will simply fall all over a deal that offers 37 so that they can be right back at the table in two years, yeah, I don't think so. But again, they paid Ben, a QB they know can win a championship for them but only on a short term deal because I suspect they knew they didn't want him in a long term deal because of his age. There is no guarantee that they look at Dak that way. Dak has won nothing and why on earth would they pay that kind of money so that they could be back at the table in a couple of years.

As an FYI, the reporting on why the deal was turned down, from what I saw, was not guarantees. It was the length of the deal. Cowboys wanted a long term deal, Dak and his agent wanted a very short deal.

It doesn't matter how valuable he was or wasn't to the Steelers. The point is that they will pay a premium at a position they believe to be worth it. They didn't think Bell was worth that.

Same difference. It's still not a discrepancy on AAV.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Pay Dak or Tag and Keep or Tag and Reel in two first round picks? I see a max of 12 teams that would be potential candidates for making a move. Just throwing out "what ifs" here. The day we're allowed to tag Dak:

-How soon will a team make an offer? Immediately, within the first week, during the draft, etc.

-If a team makes an offer would you match or decline? If the Panthers, Bengals, Bears, Bucs, or whoever offer up their first round picks do you brush it off or jump on it? If you decline, why?

Be honest and disregard whatever the Cowboys might do to keep you from answering.

What you are TRYING to talk about is if the Cowboys were to use the non-exclusive franchise tag.. The exclusive franchise tag which is the tag they would use no other team can negotiate with that player so there would be 2 draft picks. They either sign it or sit out.
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[ABQCOWBOY]

It doesn't matter how valuable he was or wasn't to the Steelers. The point is that they will pay a premium at a position they believe to be worth it. They didn't think Bell was worth that.

Same difference. It's still not a discrepancy on AAV.

OK, I have no real issue with that but, the unknown here is, would the Steelers view Dak as a QB who rates "Premium" pay? I mean, we don't know that yet.

 

[BrassCowboy]

This year has the smallest chance ever of it happening. What team is going to give up two 1st round picks in a year where there will be more quarterbacks hitting the market than ever before?

Think of the scheduled free agents and players rumored to be on the block:

1. Tom Brady
2. Drew Brees
3. Philip Rivers
4. Jameis Winston
5. Ryan Tannehill
6. Cam Newton
7. Marcus Mariota

And that's just a few off the top of my head. Why would anyone give up two future 1st round picks to then have to pay Prescott over $35 million a year? The answer? Nobody would.

But we would

 

[gjkoeppen]

All this talk about what Prescott's value is reminds me of something Gil Brandt said a few years ago. NFL players have 4 values.

1) The value the team that has a player and what they would accept in a trade

2) The value the other teams place on the player and the most they would give up for that player in a trade.

3) The value that fans of the team that has the player place on what they think that player would bring in a trade.

4) The value of teams that don't have that player and what they think they could trade to get that player.

Brandt said seldom if ever are the values of 3 and 4 the same as 1 and 2.

Now I know he said this about trades but I think the same thing could be said about contracts.
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[ABQCOWBOY]

What you are TRYING to talk about is if the Cowboys were to use the non-exclusive franchise tag.. The exclusive franchise tag which is the tag they would use no other team can negotiate with that player so there would be 2 draft picks. They either sign it or sit out.
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Just so we are clear here:

None Exclusive gives you two first round picks. Exclusive does not.

 

[Loso86]

Kirk Cousins

That's 1 and he has a better arm but I dont think hes better than Dak. Point being they aren't offered up alot. I guess the question would be is he better than Most of the quarterbacks this year and next and do you have a fair shot to get them

 

[gjkoeppen]

Just so we are clear here:

None Exclusive gives you two first round picks. Exclusive does not.

That is exactly what I've said on many threads.
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[ghst187]

Not sure why a QB needy team wouldn’t jump at the chance to give two firsts for a somewhat proven QB.
lot of teams end up giving way more than that to trade up in the draft and get a totally unproven prospect only to have him bust. Two firsts is easy decision if you think Dak is a franchise qb and/or good enough to get you there.

 

[Captain-Crash]

I'd give kc two firsts and throw in dak and all his lovers for Mahomes.

 

[morat1959]

Pay Dak or Tag and Keep or Tag and Reel in two first round picks? I see a max of 12 teams that would be potential candidates for making a move. Just throwing out "what ifs" here. The day we're allowed to tag Dak:

-How soon will a team make an offer? Immediately, within the first week, during the draft, etc.

-If a team makes an offer would you match or decline? If the Panthers, Bengals, Bears, Bucs, or whoever offer up their first round picks do you brush it off or jump on it? If you decline, why?

Be honest and disregard whatever the Cowboys might do to keep you from answering.

Is this a joke?

 

[cowboy_ron]

Uh, no............but if there is jump on it.............and I like Dak

 

[kskboys]

It doesn't matter how valuable he was or wasn't to the Steelers. The point is that they will pay a premium at a position they believe to be worth it. They didn't think Bell was worth that.

Same difference. It's still not a discrepancy on AAV.

They offered him 17 mil/season, highest salary in NFL for a RB. So, your line of thinking is off in this one.

 

[kskboys]

Not sure why a QB needy team wouldn’t jump at the chance to give two firsts for a somewhat proven QB.
lot of teams end up giving way more than that to trade up in the draft and get a totally unproven prospect only to have him bust. Two firsts is easy decision if you think Dak is a franchise qb and/or good enough to get you there.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure someone would bite.

 

[Future]

They offered him 17 mil/season, highest salary in NFL for a RB. So, your line of thinking is off in this one.

They didn't value you him enough to pay him what he wanted. So no, it's not.

 

[Future]

OK, I have no real issue with that but, the unknown here is, would the Steelers view Dak as a QB who rates "Premium" pay? I mean, we don't know that yet.

Sure. But between the Steelers, Colts, Chargers, Bucs, Bears, there's a good chance one would. The Steelers are just an example.

 

[TheGoat73]

Pay Dak or Tag and Keep or Tag and Reel in two first round picks? I see a max of 12 teams that would be potential candidates for making a move. Just throwing out "what ifs" here. The day we're allowed to tag Dak:

-How soon will a team make an offer? Immediately, within the first week, during the draft, etc.

-If a team makes an offer would you match or decline? If the Panthers, Bengals, Bears, Bucs, or whoever offer up their first round picks do you brush it off or jump on it? If you decline, why?

Be honest and disregard whatever the Cowboys might do to keep you from answering.

You don’t trade away experienced, high-performing quarterbacks. Some of y’all didn’t live through Quincy Carter and Ryan Leaf and it shows.

 

[Typhus]

I'd ask this:

When was the last time a team gave up two first round picks for a franchise tagged quarterback?

Bingo, and why would any team give up two 1sts and get stuck into having to pay 40m on a 2nd contract?
Now giving up two 1sts to move up and grab a potential franchise QB in the draft on a rook deal is actual reality.