What if Dak was a Free Agent?

[mattjames2010]

el torro poo poo dont act like people havent already said it.

Ive seen people on this board say they'd rather have Carr. There are some that want anyone but dak. And yes there would be some people on this board campaigning for Dak if he didnt have a star on his helmet because they wouldnt have his body of work to go by that weve watched so closely. Cowboy fans tend to have a lower opinion of their own its factual and its played out. It happened with romo and its happening again with dak and others.

example is Byron hes going to get a good chunk of money this offseason yet there are some and 1 would be me that feel he can take his 2 career interceptions and good riddance he just don't do it for me.hes good but don't make enough big plays

Were a finicky and crazy bunch of fans

Post it. Post the quotes right now of people saying they'd rather have Carr.

I can pull up Streetwise and threads where he outright said that Wilson wasn't close to elite lol I can pull up where people won't even acknowledge Wentz is good. I can show you threads where royaice outright said Mahomes is overrated. lol

Dak is defended because he's a Cowboy. That's it. The same way Carr is defended on Raiders boards because he's with the Raiders. It's no different. I'm sure Vikings fans are going back and forth on Kirk Cousins too.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It would be a perfect storm for Dak to be a free agent and he'd make big money. The fact we're talking about Dak being a free agent shows he isn't in the tier of the truly top QBs.

Nobody wondered what Russell or Brees or Mahomes would get on the free market. Why? Because their teams would never make them play on a lame duck deal and if they were in the last year of their contract they'd have been taken care of being the season began.

 

[mattjames2010]

You are paying way too much attention to irrelevant drivel

This is relevant to the discussion....

The reason Dak is propped up has everything to do with homerism and nothing to do with logic. Wentz sucks because he's with the Eagles, Mahomes is overrated because he's younger and far better than Dak, both Carr and Cousins are in the same tier as Prescott but this board would not be campaigning AND DIDN'T to get one of those guys. As I said, the same crap gets said on Raiders boards about Carr - a mediocre football player gets propped up by fans just due to him being the QB for the Raiders.

None of this is based in logic.

 

[TheHerd]

No matter what he got just remember Dak is not a RW type that can win you games. He is more if a Cousins or Andy Dayton..that's just what he is. If you can do better we need to. Could MM do better under MM for 18m a year? We would have another 17 to get a few defenders so is that deal better? Maybe..it needs to be discussed. AND think about this Dak is going to lessen another teams ability to have an elite QB we cant dismiss that either. If I could sign MM to 2 years 30 to 36m with a team out after one yr I would do it...along with getting more defenders on our defense.

The Jones don't spend on big FAs, but if they would, I'd be on board your plan.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's an odd thing on here. The ability to overrate some players off the spectrum and at the same time underrate players a few notches.

Sure, he's not gifted like Mahomes, but some got a handful of bad games stuck in their head from 2017 and can't let go.

Almost like the posters who hate on Heath from a play 7 years ago. "Remember Megatron and AP. herr derr"


Rivers at #2 is whack though for FA rankings though

Yup its like his dramatic improvement this past year never happened in their eyes.

I used to be very critical of Dak because of his lack of consistency in accuracy and mechanics. And I don't any more. Why? Because he improved.

Heath struggles in pace with both coverage and pursuit. Great backup. Below average starter.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It would be a perfect storm for Dak to be a free agent and he'd make big money. The fact we're talking about Dak being a free agent shows he isn't in the tier of the truly top QBs.

Nobody wondered what Russell or Brees or Mahomes would get on the free market. Why? Because their teams would never make them play on a lame duck deal and if they were in the last year of their contract they'd have been taken care of being the season began.

This is a good post. Also, I think it's true.

 

[jterrell]

37-40m per on open market.
35-37m per here.

It's crazy money but QB contracts always are.

 

[jterrell]

This is a good post. Also, I think it's true.

LOL, No it isn't. Because everyone with an actual brain knows Dak isn't getting to free agency.

He will be tagged if they can;t agree on a long term deal.
His agent cut off talks last year week 1 or he likely would be signed now.
DAL wanted to negotiate but his agent held off.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

It would be a perfect storm for Dak to be a free agent and he'd make big money. The fact we're talking about Dak being a free agent shows he isn't in the tier of the truly top QBs.

Nobody wondered what Russell or Brees or Mahomes would get on the free market. Why? Because their teams would never make them play on a lame duck deal and if they were in the last year of their contract they'd have been taken care of being the season began.

PayDak# NOW

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

LOL, No it isn't. Because everyone with an actual brain knows Dak isn't getting to free agency.

He will be tagged if they can;t agree on a long term deal.
His agent cut off talks last year week 1 or he likely would be signed now.
DAL wanted to negotiate but his agent held off.

Yeah it is, because the poster is not saying Dak is going to FA. He's saying it would be the perfect storm and then he goes on to point out that if he were truly in the top tier QBs, the question of Franchise would not even be on the table.

Maybe don't be so quick to call out somebody for having half a brain when you didn't actually read what the poster was saying.

 

[The Fonz]

The cowboys always over value their players

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

40 million?
That'll be a big fat no, for me.

Just like in the movies where a prince gives up his line to the throne because he fell in love. That will be J.Jones giving it all up for Dak. The Jones's will end up shelling out a billion dollars ( to players) in the next 8 yrs and still have no Superbowl rings to show for it.

SMH

 

[blueblood70]

It's an odd thing on here. The ability to overrate some players off the spectrum and at the same time underrate players a few notches.

Sure, he's not gifted like Mahomes, but some got a handful of bad games stuck in their head from 2017 and can't let go.

Almost like the posters who hate on Heath from a play 7 years ago. "Remember Megatron and AP. herr derr"


Rivers at #2 is whack though for FA rankings though

because he had the same handful of games to Start 2018 and to end 2019..its reality we arent haters, its becoming not if but when will daK HAVE A BAD 4 GAME STRETCH THAT COST US A SEASON..

he for sure isnt anywhere close to a 40mil qb I offer him 30 or tag him fond a journeymen backup in case he holds out an draft a Jhurts or fromm type and start the process of using Daks money to rebuild the defense and MM can utilize zeke, pollard, and the oline while the window is still open..

 

[jterrell]

If the Cowboys did not tag Dak and he became an Unrestricted Free Agent, many people believe he would be the #1 free agent on the market.

Here are a couple of articles about the concept, but there are others and there are media (not Cowboys media or fans) that believe Dak would get 40M per on the open market.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/12/05/first-glance-at-the-top-2020-free-agents/25/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...nts-in-2020-two-quarterbacks-lead-way-for-now

The most telling thing is the tone between the two pieces.
One in August of last year(bottom) that notes Dak had two spotty season and the one last month (top) that denotes he will likely be the highest paid player in football and that not signing him would be wreckinjg the team.
Thus the difference 4900 yards passing with improved footwork and pocket presence can make.

Other notable thing he would be the top FA even without the improvement and must sign even then.
But the improvment likely means he signs the biggest deal in NFL history.

Maybe Jerry shoulda caved before letting Kellen call plays.....
All the fans that wanted him to prove it... cool now we can pay about 5m a year more.
Good job, good effort.

 

[starfan1]

Post it. Post the quotes right now of people saying they'd rather have Carr.

I can pull up Streetwise and threads where he outright said that Wilson wasn't close to elite lol I can pull up where people won't even acknowledge Wentz is good. I can show you threads where royaice outright said Mahomes is overrated. lol

Dak is defended because he's a Cowboy. That's it. The same way Carr is defended on Raiders boards because he's with the Raiders. It's no different. I'm sure Vikings fans are going back and forth on Kirk Cousins too.

You honestly think I’m gonna go through hundreds of threads to find the exact threads that said they’d rather have carr you’re funny

Dak is defended because he’s a cowboy no disagreement there but outside these rooms he isn’t critiqued near as much so to my point if Dak wasn’t a cowboy and we were in the qb market people in here would clamor for him if he was a FA I’m not sure how hard but they would I’ve seen and heard enough from cowboy fans to know they would

 

[jterrell]

Yeah it is, because the poster is not saying Dak is going to FA. He's saying it would be the perfect storm and then he goes on to point out that if he were truly in the top tier QBs, the question of Franchise would not even be on the table.

Maybe don't be so quick to call out somebody for having half a brain when you didn't actually read what the poster was saying.

Actually I did read it.
He said we wouldn't be having a discussion of if he gets to free agency if he was a top tier guy.

And reality is we all know he isn't hitting free agency so he is in fact wrong.

Maybe you should re-read.
I can highlight it in yellow for you if it seems challenging to grasp.

Dak is a top tier guy and he will be either franchised and/or sign the biggest deal in NFL history.
There is no debate.
One or both will happen.

 

[jterrell]

because he had the same handful of games to Start 2018 and to end 2019..its reality we arent haters, its becoming not if but when will daK HAVE A BAD 4 GAME STRETCH THAT COST US A SEASON..

he for sure isnt anywhere close to a 40mil qb I offer him 30 or tag him fond a journeymen backup in case he holds out an draft a Jhurts or fromm type and start the process of using Daks money to rebuild the defense and MM can utilize zeke, pollard, and the oline while the window is still open..

Complete intellectual dishonesty.
Point out that 4 game stretch.
Demonstrate where Dak was the lesser QB and cost us games.

The guy was seriously injured at the end of the year but still performed.
The games DAL lost they generally got crushed in rushing and time of possession.

 

[blueblood70]

Actually I did read it.
He said we wouldn't be having a discussion of if he gets to free agency if he was a top tier guy.

And reality is we all know he isn't hitting free agency so he is in fact wrong.

Maybe you should re-read.
I can highlight it in yellow for you if it seems challenging to grasp.

Dak is a top tier guy and he will be either franchised and/or sign the biggest deal in NFL history.
There is no debate.
One or both will happen.

he is NOT top tier and thats not a knock on him top tier are saved for the Elite small group of 4-5 players at every position and Dak is not he barely made it into top 10..i can argue where he lands from 5-10 but the way he finished id say hes 10th in the league at this point if I were picking him but maybe 8 if some convincing was needed we call that 2nd tier..this is an improvement though as he was around 16th after last season. so theres that..

 

[mattjames2010]

You honestly think I’m gonna go through hundreds of threads to find the exact threads that said they’d rather have carr you’re funny

Dak is defended because he’s a cowboy no disagreement there but outside these rooms he isn’t critiqued near as much so to my point if Dak wasn’t a cowboy and we were in the qb market people in here would clamor for him if he was a FA I’m not sure how hard but they would I’ve seen and heard enough from cowboy fans to know they would

...so it's bias. So someone labeling Dak middling is accurate, all the other vitriolic defenses is based in irrational thought. He's on the level of Carr and Cousins. That's Dak on his best days.

 

[blueblood70]

Complete intellectual dishonesty.
Point out that 4 game stretch.
Demonstrate where Dak was the lesser QB and cost us games.

The guy was seriously injured at the end of the year but still performed.
The games DAL lost they generally got crushed in rushing and time of possession.

3 qtrs. of the GB game but lets do the stretch NE, BUFF, CHI, Rams and Philly and you cant use the injury as an excuse...wentz has been hurt most of his career and played hurt a lot..players decide to suit up and not take themselves out they are responsible for their own production..

lets also point out how great our run game was in the first half against NE, BUff, CHI and the rams game? now we can go to the 2nd half of the philly game where the oline was blocking, zeke was running and WRs were wide open.. the defense kept that 8 point differential for nearly 20mins and Dak missed them all..

so no dishonesty I have an entire family that get together a lot to watch these games and we do NOT hate Dak but it was painfully obvious that he regressed starting in NE and finishing in Philly when our season was flushed down the toilet in the stretch..

sorry thats raw honesty from a die hard fan..my eyes dont lie..Thanksgiving was brutal watching him throw so many off target balls and some were head scratchers he hucked them up for grabs over and over. those games were terrible..not the padded stats he worked to make its a respectable stat line but the part of the game that was truly on the line..

this was worse then 2017 and 2018 this stretch was for the most part he had his team with him healthy and intact and like i said Zeke was running great in the first half of those games all but philly and dak still choked..

you are living in denial if you dont see that..