Philly could be eyeing Byron Jones

[Future]

I'll quote you. Comment #90 "Byron isn't thrown at. He had 33 fewer targets than Chido." It helps if you either remember what you write or at least go back and check things when you don't remember.
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Uh...

Lets see. Jones was drafted in the 1st round and was first tried at safety but wasn't much of a hitter and did little to stop TEs from catching passes. They moved him to corner because he showed some speed but this season receivers still caught passes yet Jones had zero picks. Aren't the top corners either not thrown at or when they do throw to the corner's side don't they come up with some picks? Jones may be the best corner they have but all that means is they don't have a really good secondary.

It helps if you either remember what you write or at least go back and check things when you don't remember.

You literally said that low targets relates to being one of the top corners lol.

 

[Future]

Well you go on thinking that . I’m not saying he was Deion but the cowboys were thrilled you’re missing the point though and that’s that you don’t know what your going to get in the draft and I don’t consider it a stretch to think that they can’t draft someone who can give you better than chido gave this year right out of the gate

that said I also don’t consider it a stretch to think that chido can’t recover he showed good signs 2 years ago and part of his issue was Richards coaching techniques

It is a stretch to think that any rookie not named Okudah is going to come in and be a better player than Chido. Unequivocally. You'd have a hard time finding one that is an upgrade on Brown, too.

Chido doesn't have to recover. He's been good.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think someone with more money will come in and snag him.

 

[darthseinfeld]

It is a stretch to think that any rookie not named Okudah is going to come in and be a better player than Chido. Unequivocally. You'd have a hard time finding one that is an upgrade on Brown, too.

Chido doesn't have to recover. He's been good.

CB's tend to have a long growth curve. Rookie CB's are usually horrible.

 

[cern]

I like byron. Keep him if at all possible.

 

[starfan1]

It is a stretch to think that any rookie not named Okudah is going to come in and be a better player than Chido. Unequivocally. You'd have a hard time finding one that is an upgrade on Brown, too.

Chido doesn't have to recover. He's been good.

You must not have been watching the same games if you think chido was good this year then I have swamp land in az to sell you

he had a couple games where he played well the rams game comes to mind but he was opposing qbs beyatch most of the year and I think you thank Richard for a lot of it

he was either giving up a large play or getting called for PI in some huge moments this year that helped contribute To losses not solely but certainly a large part and again I think that you can thank Richard

 

[ShortRound]

Would hope we keep him, but if we lose him we better get some value back.

 

[JohnsKey19]

The Cowboys can use a tag on Jones, assuming the Dak contract is done in time. If Philly or any team wants to fork over draft compensation, that's fine.

 

[DuncanIso]

You must not have been watching the same if you think chido was good this year then I have swamp land in az to sell you

he had a couple games where he played well the rams game comes to mind but he was opposing qbs beyatch most of the year and I think you thank Richard for a lot of it

he was either giving up a large play or getting called for PI in some huge moments this year that helped contribute To losses not solely but certainly a large part and again I think that you can thank Richard

stats say Chido had a good season. Better than last in fact.

KRichard was having an influence on the kid.

not as good as BJones, but good numbers.

less than 60 percent completion avg.

14 PDs and the 1 int

Gave up 3 TDS.

just more #ChidoHate.


https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AwuzCh00.htm

i post links to stats. It cuts through the BS

 

[TheHerd]

Well, they liked Troy Vincent so would make sense. Very similar players.

Vincent never had a year without an interception, and he had 4 or more 5 times with a high of 7. Hardly the same players, but I do like Jones and hope we keep him.

Maybe the new staff can teach him to look for the ball and catch it occasionally. Our lack if picks didn't start nor end with Jones, so I'm hopeful we improve there

 

[Future]

You must not have been watching the same if you think chido was good this year then I have swamp land in az to sell you

he had a couple games where he played well the rams game comes to mind but he was opposing qbs beyatch most of the year and I think you thank Richard for a lot of it

he was either giving up a large play or getting called for PI in some huge moments this year that helped contribute To losses not solely but certainly a large part and again I think that you can thank Richard

Classic example of Cowboys fans holding players to unrealsitic expectations.

As a #2 corner, he's about as good as it gets. His completion allowed rate 59.8% was better than: Desmond Trufant, AJ Bouye, Xavien Howard, Richard Sherman, Logan Ryan, Jalen Ramsey, Kyle Fuller and the list goes on and on and on.

There's a massive difference between having an issue locating the ball and being opposing QBs beyatch, like it or not.

 

[DuncanIso]

Classic example of Cowboys fans holding players to unrealsitic expectations.

As a #2 corner, he's about as good as it gets. His completion allowed rate 59.8% was better than: Desmond Trufant, AJ Bouye, Xavien Howard, Richard Sherman, Logan Ryan, Jalen Ramsey, Kyle Fuller and the list goes on and on and on.

There's a massive difference between having an issue locating the ball and being opposing QBs beyatch, like it or not.

agree.

100 percent.

 

[Walker]

Who would not target Jones that have the cap space? He is one of the best cb in the league.

 

[Aven8]

Anthony Brown is a FA as well.

 

[starfan1]

stats say Chido had a good season. Better than last in fact.

KRichard was having an influence on the kid.

not as good as BJones, but good numbers.

less than 60 percent completion avg.

14 PDs and the 1 int

Gave up 3 TDS.

just more #ChidoHate.


https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AwuzCh00.htm

i post links to stats. It cuts through the BS

stats say a lot of stuff . Did you watch the games? Stats say tony Romo was the best qb in cowboy history do you believe that ? Stats say the Defense was top 10 in league until you need a stop . Stats support Dak in a lot of ways as well and we know what some say about his stats all I hear is garbage time ( which I don’t necessarily support)

so save me the stats garbage line cause while they tell part of the story they don’t tell the whole story . Chido gave up a boat load of bad plays that helped cost us games but like I’ve said more than once it’s in part Richard fault

chido May end up back to his old form because he didn’t give up plays like he did this year in previous year but to say he was good is just not true

 

[starfan1]

Classic example of Cowboys fans holding players to unrealsitic expectations.

As a #2 corner, he's about as good as it gets. His completion allowed rate 59.8% was better than: Desmond Trufant, AJ Bouye, Xavien Howard, Richard Sherman, Logan Ryan, Jalen Ramsey, Kyle Fuller and the list goes on and on and on.

There's a massive difference between having an issue locating the ball and being opposing QBs beyatch, like it or not.

Lol isn’t locating the ball and making the play part of a CB job?

so to get back to the pint of thread I support keeping Jones and I also support letting him walk if it means you can’t keep Dak and Coop he’s 3 rd in line in terms of priorities and importance in my mind and I’m betting in the Jones mind as well

 

[mattjames2010]

LOL people okay with letting a good corner go because he will "cost too much" but are okay with giving Amari Cooper big money. Sad.

Keep the freakin' defense in place, we have the cap space.

 

[blueblood70]

Terrance Newman had 16 interceptions his first 5 years in the league. Byron Jones has 2.

yup its what Newman turned into late in his career but BJ is for sure Brandon Carr 2.0 and we got rid of hi because he didn't make splash plays ie game change plays and was making a ton of mney..

so we overpay BJ to be carr? is there that big a drop off from BJ to Lewis? I know he good but hes not elite..

what other CBs and safetys can we get instead?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Vincent never had a year without an interception, and he had 4 or more 5 times with a high of 7. Hardly the same players, but I do like Jones and hope we keep him.

Maybe the new staff can teach him to look for the ball and catch it occasionally. Our lack if picks didn't start nor end with Jones, so I'm hopeful we improve there

I'm not saying he didn't. I'm just saying that this was the book on Vincent coming out and it was still the book on Vincent when he signed with Philly. They are the same type players. I mean, do you actually remember what that Philly defense was like? Remember also that he played with Bobby Taylor on the other side and Brain Dawkins at Safety. I mean, he got plenty of chances to make plays and he covered the weaker WR, most times. Also a lot of tipped balls. Remember, his DC was Johnson in those days and nobody dialed it up better then he did, maybe ever. I mean, I'm not crazy and I'm not senile. I remember those teams and I remember Vincent. Those two guys are very similar in skill set.

 

[Pola_pe_a]

Lol isn’t locating the ball and making the play part of a CB job?

Depends on the technique being taught. Take a 9 or go route for example; if a CB is running with, or a step behind a WR, many teams teach CB’s to watch the WR’s eyes and play through his hands instead of turning and playing the ball. The Eagles DB coach teaches the same technique and it drives me nuts. You’ll see guys have the ball hit off the back of their arm instead of just turning and catching.